Submitted 3 weeks ago by iamthetot@piefed.ca to games@lemmy.world
Google: please, we have to prove to our investors that the AI gamble will pay off. We’ll license you Gemini for almost nothing and your customers will love it!
Slime companion: Adding a small amount of bleach to your sibling’s bottle will be a funny prank
At least it kind of looks how I imagine a personification of a chatbot should look
Blue poop with braindead stare?
Kinda like something that dripped out the back end of a poisoned cow?
Honestly, a small llm in these situations would be great idea, but it should be a very small local or hosted by the company itself (with a setting to turn off)
A small AI in games is the stuff I do want. But there is no reason gemni needs to be involved in a game at all
Make it a downloadable package that runs a local model and I think I’d be far more fine. Like, I think it’s a tacky gimmick, but at least on device it’s not hurting the environment
I’m not too big on these topics and would like to understand. Is a local model less resource intensive?
In my mind, if every gamer runs a model that must be less efficient than a centralised one that has the perfect hardware setup and only lends out the resources needed for each slime or whatever.
I’m thinking that it of course would be better with a dedicated slime model than the entire Gemini monster but why is local better?
I mean considering that this is already an MMO most files do reside on the server that you’re logged into with only a small amount of local files being cashed for graphics now things like that. Essentially like this isn’t really a bad idea at all. And it’s probably one of the few uses of AI that I could see. However that being said Gemini overall is such a shitty AI assistant already that I have no doubts that a virtual AI assistant using Gemini on a video game
AI-powered NPCs is like a childhood dream come true. But I agree it would be better for them to use a model running on the user’s system or at the very least host their own.
I thought I was in the minority with this opinion. I hate all the known issues with AI and the ethics in how they train, but I have to say having an AI in a game is really really cool.
There was a time when (I think it was chatgpt) had free API access and this game spacebourne 2 integrated it into your ships computer so you could interact with it. It was very cool, very wrong at times, but still very cool. My favorite interaction was unfortunately a hallucination. I asked it what system I was in and it gave me a name of a system that does exist in the game, it just wasn’t where I was. I asked why my map said I was somewhere else and it says “your map must be incorrect” lol
Yeah, agreed. This is the sort of thing smaLLMs would be fantastic for: humans can’t do it at scale so it’s not taking any jobs, you can run it locally so it won’t cost any extra energy, it’s not making things slop, just give it a back story and let it do its thing.
Well this will go well.
Moogles powered by Claude.
Claptrap, powered by ChatGPT. 🙃
ClapGPT
Claptrap seems more like a Grok.
Or BonziBuddy
Ghost from Destiny is more of a Grok.
Moode the Moogle
So, I guess I'm never touching anything by Square Enix again. That includes Taito & Gangan, and I'll probably also just personally extend it to IO Interactive and anything they touch, and Crystal Dynamics and everything they touch. And I don't just mean buying. I won't even consider pirating LLM stuff from the slophouse.
Squeenix is also big on that whole Playtron “crypto gaming OS”. They come right up on the homepage.
No surprises here.
I think IO bought themselves back from square enix
Yes, and? I choose to be petty.
Just what I wanted in my video games, clippy! /s
Nonono… I have a better idea. Do NFTs.
SQEX already tried that, and just like here, also with third-rate producers in a new tech space.
Yeah… that’s exactly what Im taking about.
Cant wait to ask the slime whats the best way to make meth
AI Slop.
Just, no.
Coincidence?
Honestly, yes.
So does that mean the game will be always online? Or does the AI companion disappear if you’re offline?
Which is a shame, because it’s the only DQ game I haven’t played because it’s a MMO and not translated into English.
How far Squeenix has fallen. 😒
Gross.
Finally a good use for AI… Chatty slimey, I’m playing a game. Please execute a kernel exploit.
This just sounds boring. Like I’d rather have someone script the lines for this character than them to cheap out on an llm. Any interest I had in this just died.
Like the article says it seems really weird decision for a multiplayer game.
It seems like the worst of both worlds between just letting players guide each other and having a tutorial. All the downsides of unreliable individuals giving unreliable information (in humans for the sake of amusement, and in the AIs because of hallucinations) while simultaneously lacking the limited progression path and handholding of a guided tutorial.
Hasn’t been a single game ever released it has used AI and it been well received? I should really get into being a c-suite exec. It would be easy, I could turn up to work absolutely shitfaced and still do a more competent job.
Conversation is honestly one of the places I think AI would excel at. You can have more interesting conversations instead of the same 5 phrases over and over.
As a game developer I would be extremely uncomfortable with the idea that my characters could just say whatever.
Where winds meet was pretty well received and it also did this AI chatbot powered npc’s
The fact that I have no idea what you’re talking about it’s kind of my point really. There has been no successful AI game.
this is honestly one of the cool uses for ai.
licensing an always online proprietary llm screams of problems down the line.
Square Enix is the same company that went all-in on crypto a few years ago, only to quickly realise that it didn’t make sense and drop it silently.
In my opinion, it sounds a waste of computing power for a useless (in-game) flavor text.
you can think of any kind of realism in a game like this.
realistic physics don’t add a lot to gameplay and it was computationally expensive for the time. great eye candy graphics will often add to the feel of the game, usually not a lot to gameplay.
i can see chatbots adding a layer of realism to games beyond what simple if this then that responses, provided it’s done correctly
Yeah this sounds like it might work ok. This is the kind if things that llms are actually good at, not the bullshit that we are getting everywhere else.
Spyware in video games now?
Vote with your wallet yall.
While I think AI will be good in games, the games in question should be built with the AI in mind, rather than just shoving the AI into an existing game.
Square-Enix was doing a remake of an old detective game called Portopia, with the idea of being able to converse with NPCs about the case. That made sense, but they have seemingly abandoned the project. They should have kept working on that, instead of doing this Chatty Slime scheme.
A detective game with LLM NPCs sounds like a terrible use? It’s ultimately a kind of puzzle game but the actual information you need to gather is randomly generated. Surely it’s better to have all relevant dialogue written with intent.
I’m assuming there is hard coded context for the actual mystery and the LLM is just supposed to converse about it to give clues? Randomly generating a mystery is… hard (to be generous)
What a creative new form of DRM !
Despite it being AI, I really don’t have much of a problem with implementation like this. It sounds like the rest of the game is made by humans. Having a clippy-type companion that offers tips for your class or forward progress tips based on previous progress, the idea has potential. AI has the potential to be extremely helpful in guidance. The issues come from building the infrastructure using AI. We shouldn’t be using it to create, but to enhance what has already been created. AI is a tool, not a solution.
GenAI is a fancy text predictor. It can and will make shit up, because it simply does not know what it is saying. Why would an assistant the likes of which you suggest not just be scripted “traditionally”?
Yeah, until chatty slime tells you to talk to a nonexistent NPC and you spend countless hours trying to find a character he made up.
That’s my problem with this idea. As a game developer I want every aspect of my game to be defined I don’t want some rogue element doing random things that I cannot predict or account for.
Sounds like Morrowind.
I can’t wait for the first videos from people who turned that Ai slime into an mysognostic, racist, pile of blue shit!
Its like a dog you just can’t potty train
… SquareEnix still managed to exist after FF13?
Mate, it’s been 17 years. Let it go
Nevaaaaaaaaa! [Thunder rumbling in the distance]
They are still riding the FF7 wave. They will continue to do so until the end.
I’m thinking a lot of them ride off of FFXIV, though it’s less visible much of the time. That game has a lot of real loyalists.
Starting a new FF9 wave with that animated series that’s coming up.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IX:_The_Black_Mages%27_Legacy
I grew up with them when they were still two different companies and contrary to most fans, I still like their games.
NB4 players start turning the slime into a sex chat bot.
Everyday I stray further from the path of mainstream gaming.
If only there were other games available. Oh wait, there are, I’ll go play those instead.
“Malroth did nothing wrong.”
inb4 ai bros vibe code a Linux client in docker to expose this as an openai compatible API so they can get free tokens, and square Enix Just bans all Linux users
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
So they don’t want to me not buy any more DQ games. That’s a bold strategy, let’s see how it plays out.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve never bought any and I’m doing fine.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I mean, I’ll be fine too. I just quite liked many of their games and I thought DQ XI was great. There will be no more of that apparently.
krisevol@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
I imagine it will play out just fine. Most gamers and the younger generation are pro AI.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
That doesn’t align with any that I know, but anecdotes are just that I suppose.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Most gamers hate AI, games are freaking out of they have to put they use ai in their game for a reason. Young kids are using “That’s AI” as a way to say something is a lie. I don’t know what hole you’re sticking your head in but you might want to wake up.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Your dad got banned from the local petting zoo for blowing a sheep.
Unfounded claims are fun and easy!