There’s no 8k content, and only recently do standard connectors support 8k at high refresh rates.
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
The TV industry finally concedes that the future may not be in 8K
Submitted 2 weeks ago by TheImpressiveX@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
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panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
Honestly a little surprised the IMAX guys didn’t start churning out 4k+ content given that they’ve been in the business forever.
But I guess “IMAX in your living room” isn’t as sexy when the screen is 60" rather than 60’
jqubed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You don’t even need IMAX for 4K; ordinary 35mm film can normal scan to a nice 4K video. Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.
The digital IMAX projections were actually a step backwards in resolution.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
They don’t want IMAX in your living room, they want IMAX in the IMAX theater, where you pay a premium for their service.
worhui@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
IMAX is 4K or less content. Its edge is special projection that can look good and brighter on huge screens.
Only imax film prints are significantly better than anything else
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People really need to understand a lot of what “smart” TVs do is upscale the “4k” signal to something actually resembling real 4k.
Like how some 4k torrents are 3GB, and then a 1080p of the same movie is 20gb.
It’s “worse” resolution, but it looks miles better because it’s upscaling real 1080 to 4k instead of taking existing shitty 4k and trying to make it look better without just juicing the resolution.
So we don’t need 8k.content for 8k.tvs to be an incentive. We need real 4k media, then 8ks TV would show a real improvement.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah, you’re talking about bitrate. A lot of the 4k content is encoded using more efficient codecs, but if it’s sourced from the streaming services the bitrate is so abysmal it’s usually a tossup between the 1080p or 4k stream. At least the 4k usually has hdr these days which is appreciable.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Yeah. A 1080p Bluray clocks in around 20GB. A 4K bluray is 60-80GB.
If you’re downloading something smaller it’s probably lower quality
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume
I feel like that’s not true. But you’ve gotta try. If you’re streaming it, chances are it’s not really any better. 4K Bluray (or reps of them…) though? Yeah it’s good. And since film actually has 8K+ resolution old movies can be rescanned into high resolution if the original film exists.
kogasa@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You’re probably aware of this since you mentioned bitrate, but a lot of 4K streaming services use bitrates that are too low to capture much more detail at 4K compared to a lower resolution. A lot of games will recommend/effectively require upscaling (DLSS/FSR/XeSS) to achieve good performance at 4K. All of this is still maybe better than 1440p, but it shows 4K is still kind of hard to support
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not true on paper but true in practice. Most people don’t buy/use Blurays (or any other physical media) anymore to the point that retailers aren’t even bothering to stock them on the shelves these days. Their days are certainly numbered and then all we’ll be left with is low quality 4k streaming.
Asmodeus_Krang@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
I’ve got a nice 4k mini LED tv with a 4k Blu-ray player and there’s plenty of excellent 4k content but it’s a niche market because most people aren’t using physical media for movies. 4k streaming is garbage compared to UHD Blu-ray.
khannie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Preach. I got gifted a 4k bluray player and was absolutely blown away by how good it looks compared to streaming.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Which makes sense because even 1080p streaming is garbage compared to blu-ray.
mlg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.
Ironically there actually is if you bother pirating content because that’s the only crowd that will share full 4k Dolby Vision + Dolby Atmos/DTS-X BluRay rips.
Aside from that though, even 4k gaming is a struggle because GPU vendors went into the deep end of frame generation, which also coincidentally is the same mistake lots of TV OEMs already made.
nuko147@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is a lot 4K to consume now. That was the reality 5 years ago (even 4K exists more than 10). I would say 4K is becoming slowly the new FHD, but very very slowly.
The problem is that there is a lot low quality 4K, because of bandwidth, size etc.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I feel like most streaming platforms plan lock it and still compress it to crap though.
qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Drink verification can!
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Praise be to Goofy.
melfie@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Want us to put your show back on? Yes? Then read the following aloud 5 times while slapping your face continuously: “I am sofa king, stupid”.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What about Dairy Queen?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Gaming was supposed to be one of the best drivers for 8K adoption.
Whu? Where 4k still struggles with GPU power? And for next to no benefit?
olympicyes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What’s dumb is that 3D failed because of lack of resolution and brightness, and now we have more pixels than we can handle and screens so bright they can hurt to look at. PS3 had a couple games that showed different screens to two players wearing 3D glasses. I’d love to see full screen couch coop games with modern tech. 8K isn’t solving any problems.
Rooster326@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
3D failed for the exact same reason VR is failing now. Nobody wants to wear headsets at home.
raldone01@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Screen dimming is technically possible over HDMI no idea why its not properly supported and integrated into graphics drivers, windows and Linux. KDE shows dimming for monitors sometimes? Don’t know of that is software or real hardware dimming though.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Introducing the new DLSS 9, were we upscale 720p to 8k. Looks better than native, pretty pinky promise.
addie@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I dunno. Oxygen Not Included looks crisp on a 4K monitor. And it makes my job easier, being able to have an absolute tonne of code on-screen and readable. I reckon I could probably use an 8K monitor for those things.
Yeah, I generally have FSR running on any 3D game made in about the last decade - even if I can run it at 4K at a reasonable framerate, my computer fans start to sound like a hoover and the whole room starts warming up. But upscaling seems a better solution than having separate monitors for work and play.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Pretty sure my GPU could run 4k Rimworld, just play good games instead of AAA games.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
But we are talking TV. RPG with a controller is more suitable here. And there are some great RPG games. Though basically none good after 2020, that’s true.
sbbq@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah, can’t run it, Internet too slow to steam it
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
FR. What distance and size do I need to be able yo actually see the difference between 1080p and 4K? Cuz my current setup does not allow me to notice anything but the massive reduction in performance.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
4k is noticeable in a standard pc.
I recently bought a 1440p screen (for productivity, not gaming) and I can fit so much more UI with the same visual fidelity compared to 1080p. Of course, the screen needs to be physically bigger in order for the text to be the same size.
So if 1080p->1440p is noticeable, 1080p->4k must be too.
kogasa@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
It’s very noticeable at the DPI of a 27" screen from arms’ length. Or maybe not if you can’t see very well. But on a TV from 10 feet away, I dunno if I could differentiate 1440p from 4K personally.
olympicyes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s about 60”. That’s the point where we noticed pixels at 1080P. HDR is more important.
toofpic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m using a 60 inch tv as a monitor to my desktop - I sit in front of it at a distance of about 2m. It feels really nice to have stuff in 4k, so it’s always 4k except the games that are too tough for my 2060 super to give me 60p.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For PC you can actually see the benefit between 4K and lower resolutions.
It’s for TV where it’s likely useless to have 8K
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
8k would be cool to display lots of windows at the same time but fairly useless for gaming.
nuko147@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Everything above 1440p isn’t offering any display space. I have a 4K monitor but 150% DPI is needed to make things big enough to work with.
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I want a dumb tv with the price and and specs of a smart tv. Less is more
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What you’re looking for are commercial screens. They’re a bit more expensive for a comparable panel, as they are intended for 24/7 use- but are about as dumb as they get nowadays.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A bit more expensive? I was about to get a smart tv for like 800 bucks. The same equivalent dumb tv wpuld have been a few thousand dollars and Best Buy said they would only sell it to business accounts which was infuriating to read.
avg@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You would likely have to pay more since they aren’t getting to sell your information.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
*you would have to pay more because major companies know they can charge more. There isn’t a limited amount of profit a company wants to mae, and then they pick a price from that, they price it as high as the market will bear.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I second this.
The TV industry can crash and burn otherwise.
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Realistically, not only do I not want an 8k tv, but I might not get a tv at all, if I had to do it today. We rarely watch tv anymore. The brainrot is the same but we’re much more likely to use individual screens
keyez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My LG C3 not connected to internet and using an HTPC and Nvidia shield is working great so far.
drgeppo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I just recently found out about Thomson’s “Easy TVs”.
Actual dumb TVs, with a good range on inputs and at a cheap price, they seem to be aimed at hotels and such.
The downside is that they only do 1080p at 40" or 43" but the appeal of getting one before they disappear from the market is strong (also I don’t have any 4k media in my library so my worry is more about future proofing than any current necessity)
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
4k is enough, 60fps is enough, no smart or AI stuff is perfectly fine…
What about reducing the energy consumption? That’s an innovation I want.
HereIAm@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope you mean 60hz is enough for TVs. Because I certainly don’t want that regression on my monitor 😄
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Are you aware that reducing the energy consumption on monitors is competely irrelevant compared to the giant data centers coming up now, taking as much as power as a small city?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Modern TVs use a fraction of the energy of CRTs.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
OLED and 4k is where it’s at.
blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Hell, OLED and high bitrate 1080 is probably good enough for me for the rest of my life.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Fuck.
Now instead of each new generation of TVs being slightly higher in resolution some god damn business tech executive is going to focus on some god damn bullshit to try and change or add which is going be absolutely fucking ridiculous or pointless and annoying like AI television shit or TV gaming or fuck my life. Smart TVs are bad enough but they can’t help themselves they need to change or add shit all the fucking time to “INNOVATE!!!” and show stockholder value.
Resolution was something easy and time consuming but we can’t rely on that keeping them from fucking TV up any more.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
They showed Skyfall on 70ft IMAX screens, and that film was shot 2880 x 1200. Its not all about the pixel count.
Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Theres a ton of other things I want my TV to do before more pixels.
Actual functional software would be nice, better tracking on high speed shots (in particular sweeping landscapes or reticles in video games) higher frame rates and variable frame rate content, make the actual using of the tv, things like changing inputs or channels faster, oh man so much more.
Anything but more pixels.
sefra1@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile I’m still at 1080p and most content I watch not even that.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
All we want is a clear picture and no ads.
art@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For the majority of people a 1080p60 with a high bitrate and 10+ bit color space will look absolutely perfect. Some can pixel peep and tell, but more people still struggle seeing when the aspect ratio is wrong on their TV.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
TV manufacturers salivated at the idea of TV resolution, hoping desperately to turn the TV market into something like the PC market, in that you have to upgrade every 5ish years to stay on top of technology and use the latest stuff.
I’m glad the plan is failing spectacularly.
Hopefully this forces them to think more about quality and start focusing on TVs that actually last now… You know, like we used to have 30 years ago.
towerful@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Yeh, do: 60fps, 30 bit color… and I guess HDR?
Do things that people can actually appreciate.
And do them in the way that utilises the new tech. 60fps looks completely different from 24fps… Work with that, it’s a new media format. Express your talentLiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Even if it was, every streaming service will crush down the bitrate so bad it’d barely look any better than 4k anyway.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
That’s because the answer isn’t higher resolutions, it was legally enforcing h.265 to be open source. Now the solution is AV1, but video codecs shouldn’t be locked down like that.
To act like that was ever in favor of “protecting the sciences” is a fucking joke.
deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
4k is a little much for me.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
At a certain point yours eyes can’t tell much difference. It is like music, people would obsess over tweaking their stereo systems to the point where I doubt you could physically tell the difference, it was mostly imagined.
xSikes@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
Working in entertainment and broadcasting, you learn barely half of Americans have a 4K tv and it’s under half worldwide. Marketing makes you think that “everyone is doing it”
Samsy@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Plot twist: because all we need is 16K.
deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
High bitrate 1080p > mid/low bitrate 4k and 8k.
aceshigh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Getting rid of my tv was the best thing I did for myself. That’s the future. Removing and reducing all screen time.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most developing countries have cheap 1080p TVs right now, but others are still using CRTs, and still others are watching on their phones (like some of my poorer relatives who do get their entertainment fix through their phones while the big TVs in their living rooms rarely gets turned on).
BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ve never felt the need to go 4k either. I’m totally content to buy 1080p 144hz+ monitors for $100.
ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The only real innovation after 1080p for TV was HDR, sound stuff, 60-120hz, and upscaling to 4k.
DirtyAnCom@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
What’s interesting to me is that film is roughly, perceptually around 8K. However, very very few people have cinema-sized screens in their home, so what’s the point if it’s “only” even 80 inches?
I think giant 8K monitors are still useful for productivity, but only for a small number of people. I personally like having multiple monitors over one big one.
me_myself_and_I@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe they should stop forcing this antiquated TV License scam
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
8K is theoretically good as “spare resolution,” for instance running variable resolution in games and scaling everything to it, displaying photos with less scaling for better sharpness, clearer text rendering, less flickering, stuff like that.
It’s not worth paying for. Mostly. But maybe some day it will be cheap enough to just “include” with little extra cost,” kinda like how 4K TVs or 1440p monitors are cheap now.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The University of Cambridge’s display resolution calculator, which is based on a study from researchers at the university’s Department of Computer Science and Technology and Meta, funded by Meta, and published in Nature in October, suggests that your eyes can only make use of 8K resolution on a 50-inch screen if you’re viewing it from a distance of 1 meter (3.3 feet) or less. Similarly, you would have to be sitting pretty close (2–3 meters/6.6–9.8 feet) to an 80-inch or 100-inch TV for 8K resolution to be beneficial. The findings are similar to those from RTINGs.com.
This is know since at least 2010, since our eyes are limited in optical resolution.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s about time the technology industry as a whole realises that innovation for the sake of innovation is rarely a good thing
DScratch@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Look, we can’t have TVs that last 15 years anymore!
We need to keep people buying every year or two. Otherwise line not go up! Don’t you understand that this is about protecting The Economy?!
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Boomers economic policy is like if Issac Newton saw an apple falling from a tree, and came to the conclusion it would always accelerate at the same speed no matter what, even though the ground with the entire ass planet behind it is right fucking there.
Numbers can not constantly go up, it’s just that’s what was happening their whole lives and they can’t accept that their childhoods was a blip and not how things always were and always will be.
They just can’t wrap their heads around it. They have such shit tier empathy they can’t comprehend that they’re an exception.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not even innovation, per say. It’s just Big Number Go Up.
Nobody seems to want to make a TV that makes watching TV more pleasant. They just want to turn these things into giant bespoke advertising billboards in your living room.
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
The galaxy brain move is buying an old dumb tv for a pittance and use it for watching Jellyfin/Plex/stream from a browser with uBlock Origin/DNS filtering – all running on some relative’s “obsolete” smart toaster from last year that they happily gift you because “the new version’s bagel mode IS LIT – pun intended – but it needs the 128 gb DDR7 ram of the new model, can barely toast on the old one any more”.
Evilschnuff@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I think this just comes down to human nature. Give people (engineers, execs) a metric that looks like a good proxy for performance and they will overcommit on that metric as it is a safer bet than thinking outside the box. I think the incremental improvements in deep learning with all those benchmarks are a similar situation.
chocrates@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
You can’t really find a dumb TV anymore. I might see how big of a monkey I can find when I’m ready to upgrade, but I doubt I’ll find one big enough and cheap enough.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
FireWire got killed too soon.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Too right, brother
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Wha?
AFAIK FireWire is part of the Thunderbolt protocol, you can get FireWire 800 to Thunderbolt adapters. Apple even used to sell one.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
it was way too ahead of its time.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
We traded 3D tv’s, which are amazing if you watch the right stuff, for 8k…
8k is great, but we need media in 8k to go with it.
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Innovation is good. That being said, slapping “AI”, “Smart” or more pixels is the opposite of innovation. Innovation is something new, out of the box. 1080p > 4k > 8k is logical progression - so, the exact opposite.