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France will replace Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, Zoom, Webex and others with its own sovereign video conferencing application "Visio" for public officials

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Submitted ⁨⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Beep@lemmus.org⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://presse.economie.gouv.fr/?p=169175

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  • BurgerBaron@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Nice, replace Microslop Windows too pls.

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  • MrSulu@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Anything to ANYTHING to get away from MicrSlop, Google etc. is huge. HUGE!

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    • mrnobody@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I’ve called them Gooplesoft now.

      Check out Mistral if you want a good nonUS AI.

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  • mikenurre@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.

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    • Pechente@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.

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      • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Enshittification, AI slop and fascism are America’s greatest exports. And that’s not even a joke.

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      • GenosseFlosse@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think enshitification is a product of public traded companies promising infinite growth, not necessarily a problem of US only companies.

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    • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back.

      Look up LiMux and the massive Microsoft deal that followed.

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      • fizzle@quokk.au ⁨10⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Im not an expert on this, but it seems like Ms was worried that success of Limux would be the drip that starts the trickle so to speak. It made sense for them to do whatever it took to patch that leak.

        Things have really changed since then though. Valve has been very successful in a Linux end user environment, and Eu is becoming disenfranchised from the US rather than Microsoft specifically.

        I think Munich’s motivations were financial, but Frances will be ideological.

        With these things in mind, the calculus has changed. That doesn’t necessarily mean France won’t fail, but id be surprised if Microsoft pursues them in the same way.

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      • Bababasti@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That deal that totally had nothing to do with Microsoft relocating their headquarters closer to Munich

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  • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.

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    • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Microslop can cry about it.

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      • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I doubt they will care that much. But it will create a bit of confusion, at least for since in the short-term.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Image

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    • setsubyou@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s also a French word that means video conference (as a shortened form of visioconférence).

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    • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In that case we’ll call it Frisio, French Visio.

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  • BromSwolligans@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s great. I wish Visio/Vizio were not such common names for software and hardware. We done did those already. Do something else.

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    • SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Francio?

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      • NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Franctario!

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  • plz1@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lol, replacing one o365 product with one named identically to another o365 product, classic.

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    • korazail@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Came to comment this. I know there are only so many letters, and so many combinations of 4-8 of them, but can we quit naming new things with the name of an old thing?

      Finding any details about France’s Visio is going to be a cluster.

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      • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Nah, you can always come up with new combos. They could have named it ‘squonchy’ or ‘flurgled’, for example.

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  • CactusEcho@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why not jitsi meet? Isn’t better to use an already “established” opensource conferencing tool?

    They could just selfhost their instance.

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    • Flatfire@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’ve been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn’t performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It’s a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.

      Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they’ve put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it’s a cool initiative, but I think it’s pretty clear that it’s open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.

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      • phx@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I was wondering the same, but this does make sense.

        At the same time, it might also make sense to build on top of existing FOSS tooling rather than building new, but I suppose that depends on where the bottlenecks are and if stuff like proprietary codecs might be involved

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    • carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Jitsi is owned by a Campbell, California based firm called 8x8. Source: I worked for them during the acquisition.

      Though admittedly avoiding US origin open source is unlikely to be possible

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  • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is only a part of france’s “LaSuite” (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.

    lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr

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    • cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They should have called it “du coup” for that authentic frenchness.

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      • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’d also accept Honhon

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And all their videos are on Peertube!

      !lasuite@tube.numerique.gouv.fr

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      • ozoned@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sadly they don’t allow anyone to follow their instance, so finding their videos and interacting isn’t possible. But at least it’s a step.

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  • anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why not open source solutions for most of those?

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    • E_coli42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      If is. It’s free (orI guess libre makes more sense since they are French) under Apache-2.0

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  • MuskyMelon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Visio? Don’t they have to pay for copyright on the name “Visio” to Microsoft?

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    • bookmeat@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Why should they?

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      • MuskyMelon@lemmy.world ⁨58⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Visio is a Microsoft product name.

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  • artyom@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Looks like this is it, but it’s called “Meet” here:

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    • Link@rentadrunk.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This looks suspiciously similar to element call

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      • artyom@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Element is open source, so I would be very unsurprised to learn it’s an Element fork.

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    • evol@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      MIT license unfortunate

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  • troed@fedia.io ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Source code: https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

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  • Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Beautiful. Trump is causing the US to lose its grip on the world in yet another way.

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  • ceenote@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This “find out” phase is gonna go on for a long, long time.

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    • matlag@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The “find out” will take forever. France just decided that a “sovereign server” can be AWS or any US big-tech providing the physical server is located in France.
      France has also signed a contract with Microsoft (“sovereign” solution again) for the national health data hub, even as a parliament investigation had MS France GM stating MS can’t guarantee the data won’t leak to the US!
      Most political leader are grossly ignorant on anything IT.

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      • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Most political leader are grossly ignorant on anything IT.

        And corrupt.

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  • m3t00@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    sounds like something they buried 20 years ago. next msbob bobot

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  • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hope it’s public code if it’s paid with public money! Replacing it with proprietary software would be leaving one abusive relationship straight into another.

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    • Flatfire@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It is. Currently their code is published under an Apache 2.0 license. There’s links to it on the website, but the whole suite is on Github. It would be nice to see them migrate that codebase elsewhere down the line though

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  • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Apparently a rebranded LiveKit, which is developed by an US American company…

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    • matlag@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, Visio is based on BigBlueButton, and it is to interface with Tchap, which is an internal Matrix server for France’s gov agents.

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  • notsosure@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ouch. More to follow, so stay tuned.

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  • brsrklf@jlai.lu ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Note, as far as I can tell from thos announcement, this does not cover all French public officials. There are 3 groups of them in France, state, local and health. This is specifically about state administration.

    Local administrations could follow national recommendations, but it would ultimately be in the hands of locally elected representatives.

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Isn’t Visio tradermarked?

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