Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.
France will replace Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, Zoom, Webex and others with its own sovereign video conferencing application "Visio" for public officials
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Beep@lemmus.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://presse.economie.gouv.fr/?p=169175
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ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Microslop can cry about it.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I doubt they will care that much. But it will create a bit of confusion, at least for since in the short-term.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 3 days ago
People who use Visio, probably wont even have (the wrong) Visio installed. There shouldn’t be any confusion.
setsubyou@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s also a French word that means video conference (as a shortened form of visioconférence).
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
In that case we’ll call it Frisio, French Visio.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This is only a part of france’s “LaSuite” (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.
artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
And all their videos are on Peertube!
!lasuite@tube.numerique.gouv.fr
ozoned@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Sadly they don’t allow anyone to follow their instance, so finding their videos and interacting isn’t possible. But at least it’s a step.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They should have called it “du coup” for that authentic frenchness.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
I’d also accept Honhon
Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And the apps have docker for easy setup! I was expecting something very convoluted and not suitable for tinkerers. What’s good/bad is that the the apps seem to be deployed independently. Would love to have single user for everything. Need to read a bit further to see how it’s done
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
To have a single user with multiple services you usually use a separate oauth provider, in the french government’s case that’s France connect but authelia is a good self-hosted option.
trolololol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I guess they’re all cloud tools? Or is there something I can install in my laptop?
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They’re all cloud tools, but if you have a spare computer and some knowledge you can host it yourself.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Good on them, but I Wonder why they can’t just build on top of something open source like Nextcloud.
It already has the majority of the Office-365 suite
trolololol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know on what it’s based on, but it’s open source and audited.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Because the French government is hell bent on saving money, they don’t care about anyone’s privacy at all. Having said that, at least they are removing Microslop, and anything that could potentially hurt Microslop in any way, shape or form, is a good thing.
xuakzon@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
i mean, a lot ia still in handwriten notebooks, the french and other similar countries should just skip IT and jump eight into the future and stay on paper, no?
BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
It is open source and built on top of livekit which is open source.
All the tools of “La Suite Numerique” are open source.
FE80@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Anything that kicks big tech’s teeth in is good.
xuakzon@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
ohh i can’t express how much i like that image.
devolution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Trump is amazing. He literally destroys anything he touches and still get rewarded for it. Just wow.
ilsimoneviaggiatore@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
He is as fucking narcisist, he doesn’t care not to ruin anything.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Could you destroy unnecessary apostrophes in possessive pronouns? Get rewarded with correct grammar.
yyyesss@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Correcting grammar on the Internet is like trying to drink a ocean.
xuakzon@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
magic or a trick?
devolution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Depends on if you believe in Satan or not.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why do european tech companies need to call their products the same name as already established american products. Don’t they google the names before they make the decision?
MangoCats@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Visio is an outdated spreadsheet name, in English.
Visio is the new video conferencing software, in French.
France leads the world, it is up to everyone else to worry about conflict with France, not the other way around. /s
bobby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
tech companies
The French government is not a tech company.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Debatable
0x0@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
We don’t do google here ok
musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s uncouth and unfashionable, the French prefer to get information by sticking their head out of the window whilst wildly waving a baguette and yelling: “Quoi de neuf ?”
ivn@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
It’s the French common name for this, visioconférence. Why would they care about Microsoft products for this?
xuakzon@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
american law is relative, who cares
CactusEcho@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Why not jitsi meet? Isn’t better to use an already “established” opensource conferencing tool?
They could just selfhost their instance.
Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They’ve been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn’t performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It’s a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.
Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they’ve put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it’s a cool initiative, but I think it’s pretty clear that it’s open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.
phx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was wondering the same, but this does make sense.
At the same time, it might also make sense to build on top of existing FOSS tooling rather than building new, but I suppose that depends on where the bottlenecks are and if stuff like proprietary codecs might be involved
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Jitsi is owned by a Campbell, California based firm called 8x8. Source: I worked for them during the acquisition.
Though admittedly avoiding US origin open source is unlikely to be possible
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Being open source, that’s a non issue.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Anything to ANYTHING to get away from MicrSlop, Google etc. is huge. HUGE!
mrnobody@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I’ve called them Gooplesoft now.
Check out Mistral if you want a good nonUS AI.
plz1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lol, replacing one o365 product with one named identically to another o365 product, classic.
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
Came to comment this. I know there are only so many letters, and so many combinations of 4-8 of them, but can we quit naming new things with the name of an old thing?
Finding any details about France’s Visio is going to be a cluster.
ztar_473@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Visio is [the shorthand of] what the french call a video call
visioconférence
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah, you can always come up with new combos. They could have named it ‘squonchy’ or ‘flurgled’, for example.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Nice, replace Microslop Windows too pls.
ivn@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
The gendarmerie has had its own Linux distribution for a while now but that’s about it.
bobby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
its own Linux distribution
Tweaking Ubuntu a bit counts and own Linux distribution?
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I still don’t understand why half of the US still support a president that is doing a long term damage
artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Looks like this is it, but it’s called “Meet” here:
troed@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Source code: https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet
BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s great. I wish Visio/Vizio were not such common names for software and hardware. We done did those already. Do something else.
tino@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Every 2-3 years, the French government announces that they released a brand new homemade app that will replace some bigtech because sovereignty or whatever bureaucratic bullshit communication they fancy at the moment. Then they issue a BIG contract to an IT consulting company to develop the thing, who get tons of money to send junior devs to release a buggy tool that no one will ever use because migrations cost a lot. This new app will die like the others.
apftwb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Visio and W…
They need to open up naming to public vote.
Cally McCallface
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Beautiful. Trump is causing the US to lose its grip on the world in yet another way.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
OuiChat
ceenote@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This “find out” phase is gonna go on for a long, long time.
vane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s opensource github.com/suitenumerique/meet
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The tone of these comments as weird.
daannii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i wonder if Isreal designed it for them.
mudkip@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
Stop replying on U.S. companies for technologies that provide the backbone of our governments!
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Visio? Don’t they have to pay for copyright on the name “Visio” to Microsoft?
northernlights@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Who tells them that “Visio” is already a trademark?
Kastael@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Long overdue.
LemmyDoodle@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
They could just use www.opendesk.eu/en and join the German D-Stack gitlab.opencode.de/dstack/d-stack-home
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why not open source solutions for most of those?
mikenurre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.
Pechente@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Enshittification, AI slop and fascism are America’s greatest exports. And that’s not even a joke.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I think enshitification is a product of public traded companies promising infinite growth, not necessarily a problem of US only companies.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Look up LiMux and the massive Microsoft deal that followed.
Bababasti@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
That deal that totally had nothing to do with Microsoft relocating their headquarters closer to Munich
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, please stop with this garbage misinformation. Microsoft made a (suspected) under the table deal with the Munich government at the time to setup a Microsoft office in Munich if they switched back to Windows.
That’s what the news reported on endlessly. That’s the narrative that keeps getting falsely repeated over and over, and no one ever checks the BS stories they spread.
The rest of the story didn’t make headlines, where the new incoming Munich government said “hell no!” (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout.
Today the environment is a mix of Linux and Windows, but they already have a large focus on FOSS software.
Despite the astonishingly stupid decision to roll their own in-house distro (LiMux), the program was massively successful, with Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did.
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Im not an expert on this, but it seems like Ms was worried that success of Limux would be the drip that starts the trickle so to speak. It made sense for them to do whatever it took to patch that leak.
Things have really changed since then though. Valve has been very successful in a Linux end user environment, and Eu is becoming disenfranchised from the US rather than Microsoft specifically.
I think Munich’s motivations were financial, but Frances will be ideological.
With these things in mind, the calculus has changed. That doesn’t necessarily mean France won’t fail, but id be surprised if Microsoft pursues them in the same way.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
While I would love to see them never going back, here in Germany, all it takes is some corrupt politician taking a huge bribe from a lobbyist and swoosh, they are back to Microslop.
klay1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Munich went open source / Linux a couple of years ago, ditching Microsoft. Using a big budget to convert everything and support employees etc. It was a huge act.
…Then they went back to Microsoft in yet another huge act, using a big budget. And then never revealed the budget for the last one. Which is really weird, considering its public money.
Artisian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also improves Teams/slows the enshitifcation. It’s harder to make the product bad when it’s hardly a monopoly.