Large computing will exist solely in the cloud where you will pay a subscription for it. Can’t have these grubbing consumers buy anything we elites don’t get a monthly cut of.
I wish this was sarcasm.
Dell and Lenovo may limit mid-range laptops to 8GB DDR5 RAM in response to rising memory prices
Submitted 18 hours ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
I am honestly not sure if that’s a bad thing aside from the capitalism of it all. Almost all tasks normal people do could be done with a 10 year old computer running Linux.
I will find it hilarious if this RAM pricing issue causes people to move to Linux rather than have slow ass Windows 11.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I’m positive its a bad thing. It will mean the end of ownership. Our children will be born and their only worth with be as consumers for which they can crushed for any reason the owners see fit. Its slavery and feudalism nothing more nothing less.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Hah, guess they’re gonna have to run Linux. Windows 11 would choke on 8 GB RAM.
tal@lemmy.today 9 hours ago
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 3 hours ago
lmaooooo
bananabread@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
It’s the year of the Linux desktop!
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
I agree funny enough they require minimum 4 GB, but I had problems with it with 16 GB. 8 GB is nowhere near enough, especially if you use excel, teams, and that crap.
Buckshot@programming.dev 5 hours ago
I have to use windows at work, have 32gb and regularly get browser tabs unloaded for low memory. I’m not running VMs or anything. Usually just Firefox, visual studio, and slack.
Personal computer is Linux with 16gb and that’s more than enough.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Most bloated apps like outlook and teams etc regularly use nearly a gig of ram each in my experience. Brutal.
JTskulk@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Do it. I know which OS will run fine on 8G of RAM and which one won’t.
Damarus@feddit.org 17 hours ago
I wouldn’t be happy with 8 GB of RAM regardless of OS.
uranibaba@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Same, I am often about 8 GB of RAM with my daily usage.
foggenbooty@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Nor would I, but if apps were actually optimized instead of the Electron nonsense we have now we’d be in a better place. I really hope this forces us to finally build better again instead of relying on infinite resources.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
They don’t care, my parents laptop was decently mid-range spec bar storage, manufacturer put in a 5400RPM spinning rust drive. It was damn near unusable, crap from the factory.
Was forced to use it once when visiting and noticed the performance, put an SSD in it and it’s been a fine laptop since. They’re perfectly willing to hobble a laptop to save a buck.
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Someone’s smelling the year of the desktop
StitchInTime@piefed.social 16 hours ago
I built a gaming PC last year with 32gb, and it’s time to upgrade my MacBook…
So, logically, I just moved my workflow to my desktop. I would say dual boot for the win… but honestly most of my games run great on Linux, so I think I’m just good there until and unless this blows over.
comador@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Minix and FreeBSD…
/runs; hides
sefra1@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
No OS if fine with 8GB if you use it for anything other than browsing memes
toddestan@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Actually, the web browser is one of the major offenders when it comes to consuming large amounts of RAM.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
There’s more than that ?
radioactivefunguy@piefed.ca 10 hours ago
In a single tab
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I run fedora on 8GB and find it functional but definitely not comfortable. Anything past a dozen tabs and it starts getting choked up.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 10 hours ago
It’s neat that AI is already ruining the world in really tangible ways.
thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
…and I’m still on 4 GB RAM, TROLOLOL
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
You must be using Linux.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
He also must not be a gamer. Or at least not one that understands years past 2003
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 6 hours ago
I am. I have 16 GB on my 15 year old eight-core PC, run virtual machines, and need barely half the RAM. My laptop is a Thinkpad T490 and is totally fine. My Linux phone runs fine with 5 GB right now.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Time to switch to Linux people lol. Windows is barely usable on 8GB these days.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 hours ago
And set up ZRAM.
NotAnArdvark@lemmy.ca 40 minutes ago
ZRAM is real. Even on computers with lots of ram it lets the os compress and tuck away memory that a process is hoarding. When I start using android studio all these long-running election process get 1/2 their memory swapped out to disk, and evidently they never really needed it because days later I still see lots of their memory swapped out.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Maybe this will be a boon. The entire reason the ram requirements got so high as it is is because devs got lazy and stopped optimizing stuff. Maybe a ram shortage where people can’t obtain the ram needed will force the big name software devs to start being more frugal with ram. (talking to you chrome… whom currently is using 2 gigs alone just trying to show a twitch stream…)
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
Or more realistically be used as an excuse for always online cloud based services a la office 365. “We would let you download the app, but most users don’t have the computing power so instead we’ll just make this a helpful subscription!”
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 48 minutes ago
That would still pressure the browser teams to work on memory optimizations.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 7 hours ago
Oh fucking hell…
CCMan1701A@startrek.website 11 hours ago
Idk, trying to load up a couple spreadsheets in Edge is going to consume 8gb of Ram in no time.
tal@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
Honestly, it’ll be more efficient to have memory in a datacenter in that hardware in a datacenter will see higher average capacity utilization, but it’s gonna drive up datacenter prices too.
kieron115@startrek.website 14 hours ago
At least one studio, Larian, has confirmed this is the case for them. thegamer.com/larian-divinity-development-changed-…
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Good fuck studios just throwing optimization into the bin cause they can. They should fucking actually do some problem solving instead of brute forcing everything.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 hours ago
Tried that yesterday, 2.6 GB for just that one tab playing a twitch stream. That’s honestly impressive.
Lawnman23@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Keeping it positive, nice.
Eryn6844@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
and cant we just put fucking ddr4 or ddr3 on it? why does it got to be bleeding edge all the time?
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
So RAM costs them more now, and they need to pass those costs onto customers. However, it seems like they’re also trying to redefine what “mid-range” means to us all, as if we aren’t fully aware of what computers are capable of and what amount of memory is good vs not. Making the various ranges cost more is intuitive. Enshitifying the ranges to sell them at the same price is just antithetical to the whole concept of the ranges…
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
It’s like if batteries got stupid expensive and they tried to tell us 200km of range is what you get in a touring EV these days. But the distances between all the places haven’t changed…
Digit@lemmy.wtf 15 hours ago
Can see that happening, in this fake economy.
Zephorah@discuss.online 16 hours ago
Isn’t the issue here the newest generation? I keep reading there way less tech savvy than the rest of us. Blended in with the propensity for young people to have an iPhone or Android and no PC, well, this junk will likely slide right by.
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
So our generation will be the first to have to teach both our boomer parents AND our millennial offspring what “RAM” is?!
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Does midrange being at 8GB mean that entry level will be 4GB? because I know corpos are gonna be corpos.
(I don’t think windows even run at 4GB lmfao)
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 53 minutes ago
Im really surprised Microsoft hasn’t already come out with a chrome-os like neutered version of windows specifically for this.
phaedrus@piefed.world 10 hours ago
Seems to me like there will be a split. A lot of critical thinkers that are frugal will move to Linux and up its market-share, but there will also be a lot of deals that companies make with cloud computing platforms as well for their employees instead of purchasing new laptops (which will probably also allow them to cut back on their IT staff).
Those that are still lost when it comes to tech from 20 years ago will also buy into cloud compute platforms just because they use it at work and can’t be arsed to learn something slightly different.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 50 minutes ago
Yeah, this could spell the end for local installs of Microsoft office. Gdocs and o365 for everyone. Not sure if thats a win or loss.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I wonder how long it will take before people realize it’s cheaper to own your own hardware than lease compute time from a cloud provider? I’ve seen this same cycle with cloud VMs, I expect this will be no different.
tal@lemmy.today 12 hours ago
Windows 11 can run on 4GB. That’s the minimum for the listed requirements, and the other day, I saw Best Buy selling a 4GB model, and I see some systems for sale online. I would imagine that it’s not ideal.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Even on an 8gb or 16gb system Windows uses over 4gb on a fresh boot. At 4gb it’s going to be swapping to fish non-stop. The disk will be thrashed and be dead in a year of use.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Windows 11 can run on 4GB
That ‘can’ does a hell of a lot of heavy lifting. But then again, it says Windows can run in 4GB, it doesn’t say anything about your apps.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
If I recall that 4GB min on win11 is explictedly with no applications. Including browsers.
It’s only the os.
christmas_cavalier@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I have seen a few of them. Yes they are bad. Basically idles at 85% memory usage on the desktop with nothing open.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Windows 11 for me boots using around 7GB. Open a heavy browser tab or two and you’re page thrashing next. I can’t use a computer like that.
Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
Soldered in, or upgradeable at least? The former would be a huge reason to never buy the newest gen of laptops.
ThisGuyThat@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Those soldered low RAM ones are going to be in the dump a lot sooner.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Literally manufactured for the garbage dump.
Zephorah@discuss.online 16 hours ago
They do not care about the planned obsolescence of it all.
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
lmao of course it’s gonna be soldered in to push you to higher tiers
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
This wouldn’t be much of an issue if most of the laptops nowadays didn’t come with soldered in ram and no options of expanding.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Exactly. Give me two slots and I don’t care if the base model comes with 64kb, that problem will be fixed before I even switch the thing on for the first time.
tal@lemmy.today 2 hours ago
Apparently there are m.2 NVMe drives with DRAM caches.
I don’t know if anyone makes a pure DRAM NVMe drive, but if so, on Linux, you could make the block device a swap partition.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 7 hours ago
So it remains shit quality even if RAM gets more affordable at some reasonable point in the future.
ragas@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
I boycott those.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
Let’s see how this plays out with windows 11 😄
thejml@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Swap is a thing. It’ll kinda suck, but not as much as it would have pre-nvme. Except that now there’s an nvme shortage… and an SSD shortage.
Ugh, I guess I’ll just put Windows 2000/ME on there to complete the retro look.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
You could technically boot it… Not for long, and don’t open anything, but still counts, right?
Pika@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
concidering they were shipping windows 11 systems on 4 gigs of ram and selling it, I expect it won’t change much. They worked like shit but they still sold. You make it cheap enough people will buy it regardless of flaws or speed.
tal@lemmy.today 17 hours ago
mid-range laptops to 8GB
My phone has 12GB of memory, and I’m pretty sure that Android is a lot lighter on memory than the Windows 11 that I suspect a lot of these are going to be running.
artyom@piefed.social 17 hours ago
And developers will make their shitty apps more resource-efficient, right? RIGHT!?
itsathursday@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
The AI snake is finally eating its tail.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 17 hours ago
I thought I’d be fine, that I’d buy the other 16GB stick later. Now is later, I am screwed. I had to enable the use of ALT-SysRq-f to manually invoke OOM-killer because I often run out of RAM.
8GB just feels like way too little for a new laptop. Well, maybe the absolutely cheap ones, but “mid-range”, no.
It’s crazy. A bit over a year ago I got a refurbished ThinkPad for €180 with 1x16GB of RAM. Now that RAM costs around €120.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 17 hours ago
That’s going to make running anything on Windows rather uncomfortable.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
Windows 11 is actually unusable on 8GB RAM
Engywuck@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Lenovo being Apple.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 17 hours ago
🙄
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Hasn’t Dell had a bit of a rough patch with they’re laptops lately?
It would seem like absorbing this RAM shit storm would help out their image right now.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Why not just tell me to go fuck myself and skip the unsatisfying foreplay?