Hah, guess they’re gonna have to run Linux. Windows 11 would choke on 8 GB RAM.
Dell and Lenovo may limit mid-range laptops to 8GB DDR5 RAM in response to rising memory prices
Submitted 1 month ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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tomkatt@lemmy.world 1 month ago
tal@lemmy.today 1 month ago
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 month ago
lmaooooo
bananabread@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
It’s the year of the Linux desktop!
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I agree funny enough they require minimum 4 GB, but I had problems with it with 16 GB. 8 GB is nowhere near enough, especially if you use excel, teams, and that crap.
Buckshot@programming.dev 1 month ago
I have to use windows at work, have 32gb and regularly get browser tabs unloaded for low memory. I’m not running VMs or anything. Usually just Firefox, visual studio, and slack.
Personal computer is Linux with 16gb and that’s more than enough.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Most bloated apps like outlook and teams etc regularly use nearly a gig of ram each in my experience. Brutal.
relativestranger@feddit.nl 1 month ago
an 8gb pc with win11 is today’s equivalent of running vista on 1gb.
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So RAM costs them more now, and they need to pass those costs onto customers. However, it seems like they’re also trying to redefine what “mid-range” means to us all, as if we aren’t fully aware of what computers are capable of and what amount of memory is good vs not. Making the various ranges cost more is intuitive. Enshitifying the ranges to sell them at the same price is just antithetical to the whole concept of the ranges…
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s like if batteries got stupid expensive and they tried to tell us 200km of range is what you get in a touring EV these days. But the distances between all the places haven’t changed…
Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
Can see that happening, in this fake economy.
Zephorah@discuss.online 1 month ago
Isn’t the issue here the newest generation? I keep reading there way less tech savvy than the rest of us. Blended in with the propensity for young people to have an iPhone or Android and no PC, well, this junk will likely slide right by.
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So our generation will be the first to have to teach both our boomer parents AND our millennial offspring what “RAM” is?!
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Maybe this will be a boon. The entire reason the ram requirements got so high as it is is because devs got lazy and stopped optimizing stuff. Maybe a ram shortage where people can’t obtain the ram needed will force the big name software devs to start being more frugal with ram. (talking to you chrome… whom currently is using 2 gigs alone just trying to show a twitch stream…)
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Or more realistically be used as an excuse for always online cloud based services a la office 365. “We would let you download the app, but most users don’t have the computing power so instead we’ll just make this a helpful subscription!”
CCMan1701A@startrek.website 1 month ago
Idk, trying to load up a couple spreadsheets in Edge is going to consume 8gb of Ram in no time.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Oh fucking hell…
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
That would still pressure the browser teams to work on memory optimizations.
tal@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Honestly, it’ll be more efficient to have memory in a datacenter in that hardware in a datacenter will see higher average capacity utilization, but it’s gonna drive up datacenter prices too.
kieron115@startrek.website 1 month ago
At least one studio, Larian, has confirmed this is the case for them. thegamer.com/larian-divinity-development-changed-…
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Good fuck studios just throwing optimization into the bin cause they can. They should fucking actually do some problem solving instead of brute forcing everything.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 month ago
Tried that yesterday, 2.6 GB for just that one tab playing a twitch stream. That’s honestly impressive.
Lawnman23@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Keeping it positive, nice.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In the world of AI vibe coding, I don’t think so, they will push people even more towards web apps I think
relativestranger@feddit.nl 1 month ago
that would require the software companies to actually spend money on competent developers instead of tossing peanuts at prompt writers.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Large computing will exist solely in the cloud where you will pay a subscription for it. Can’t have these grubbing consumers buy anything we elites don’t get a monthly cut of.
I wish this was sarcasm.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I am honestly not sure if that’s a bad thing aside from the capitalism of it all. Almost all tasks normal people do could be done with a 10 year old computer running Linux.
I will find it hilarious if this RAM pricing issue causes people to move to Linux rather than have slow ass Windows 11.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m positive its a bad thing. It will mean the end of ownership. Our children will be born and their only worth with be as consumers for which they can crushed for any reason the owners see fit. Its slavery and feudalism nothing more nothing less.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 1 month ago
It’s neat that AI is already ruining the world in really tangible ways.
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 month ago
8 GB of RAM would be enough if every fucking application didn’t use Electron.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Or web applications, Firefox/Chrome uses like 32 GB RAM
sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 month ago
Not for me on linux
sibachian@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
thank you. came here to say this.
or, well, it also doesn’t play well with ARM, i.e. on macbooks the ram isn’t the bottle neck, its the CPU struggling with electron despite objectively being faster than x86 equivalents.
Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Soldered in, or upgradeable at least? The former would be a huge reason to never buy the newest gen of laptops.
ThisGuyThat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Those soldered low RAM ones are going to be in the dump a lot sooner.
Zephorah@discuss.online 1 month ago
They do not care about the planned obsolescence of it all.
doboprobodyne@mathstodon.xyz 1 month ago
Excellent. Hopefully some of them will have hardware that supports #openBSD that I can pick up for pennies on the dollar. I believe the #thinkpad x1 carbon is already on soldered RAM. I can see many in the #Linux crowd stand to profit handsomely from this, given their much more broad hardware support 😜
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Literally manufactured for the garbage dump.
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
lmao of course it’s gonna be soldered in to push you to higher tiers
Chronographs@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Probably single channel too because of course
tym@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I speak on behalf of all IT Support personnel everywhere when I say “fuck you”
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“WHY IS IT SO SLOW?!?!?!”
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Let’s see how this plays out with windows 11 😄
thejml@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Swap is a thing. It’ll kinda suck, but not as much as it would have pre-nvme. Except that now there’s an nvme shortage… and an SSD shortage.
Ugh, I guess I’ll just put Windows 2000/ME on there to complete the retro look.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
Windows 2000/ME
One is good, but slower, the other is more buggy than 98SE, but a bit faster. Not much in common between them other than year.
tal@lemmy.today 1 month ago
I donlt think that the NVMe shortage is that big of a deal in terms of using it for swap. It’s much cheaper than DRAM per GB.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
You could technically boot it… Not for long, and don’t open anything, but still counts, right?
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
concidering they were shipping windows 11 systems on 4 gigs of ram and selling it, I expect it won’t change much. They worked like shit but they still sold. You make it cheap enough people will buy it regardless of flaws or speed.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Often the people that buy those tiers of computers don’t know enough about memory to know how limited they’d be.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Time to switch to Linux people lol. Windows is barely usable on 8GB these days.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 month ago
And set up ZRAM.
NotAnArdvark@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
ZRAM is real. Even on computers with lots of ram it lets the os compress and tuck away memory that a process is hoarding. When I start using android studio all these long-running election process get 1/2 their memory swapped out to disk, and evidently they never really needed it because days later I still see lots of their memory swapped out.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
better start removing AI from Windows then… holy fucj my 16gb is barely holding up with windows11 that in forced to use on my work PC. slow as BALLS, it’s just raping the entire system performance constantly
Cryxtalix@programming.dev 1 month ago
I wonder what’s going to happen to the electron frontends if machines are bottlenecked by ram so bad. Wasn’t facebook just planning to switch whatsapp’s frontend to webview as well? And win11’s desktop is electron too. Yo there’s not enough ram for all this shit.
TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Don’t worry, you’ll just need to subscribe to My Windows Copilot Cloud+ to get access to a virtual PC with plenty of RAM from anywhere! It’ll be powerful enough you’ll barely notice us logging all your actions and blocking anything we don’t like.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I have win11 on a work surface laptop pro with 16gb and I’m consistently at 15+GB used. This is corporate bloat. How do I know? I have a personal surface pro 6 with win11 and 16gb and it runs like a breeze.
Corporate bloat is such bullshit.
uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
If there’s one thing corporate IT is good at it’s bullshit and security theater. Can they stop corporate espionage? Of course not. Can they make it really annoying for employees to access data they need for their job: ✅
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
8 GIGABYTES!!? How am I supposed to load a mouse driver in THAT!?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Does midrange being at 8GB mean that entry level will be 4GB? because I know corpos are gonna be corpos.
(I don’t think windows even run at 4GB lmfao)
Avicenna@programming.dev 1 month ago
lol lets fuck all other computational sciences so that people can generate cats drinking whiskey in robes de chambre.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This wouldn’t be much of an issue if most of the laptops nowadays didn’t come with soldered in ram and no options of expanding.
tal@lemmy.today 1 month ago
mid-range laptops to 8GB
My phone has 12GB of memory, and I’m pretty sure that Android is a lot lighter on memory than the Windows 11 that I suspect a lot of these are going to be running.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why not just tell me to go fuck myself and skip the unsatisfying foreplay?
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 month ago
For the price of 16GB?
thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
…and I’m still on 4 GB RAM, TROLOLOL
Cryxtalix@programming.dev 1 month ago
What. My six year old cheapo Acer laptop that got my broke ass through college had 16gb ram. My raspberry pi has 8gb of ram.
artyom@piefed.social 1 month ago
And developers will make their shitty apps more resource-efficient, right? RIGHT!?
uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Guys this is good news, maybe google and mozilla will figure it out and stop making their applications the biggest ram hogs in human history, taking more ram to render a document than it takes to render a AAA game.
Jk
Rooty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Dell and Lenovo price gouge consumers
FTFY
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Will they solder it?
itsathursday@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The AI snake is finally eating its tail.
TheWilliamist@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Waaaayyy back in the day Dell had a real bad habit of limiting their low and midrange laptops to pitiful amounts of memory to stratify their product line even though the chipset might support more.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
I thought I’d be fine, that I’d buy the other 16GB stick later. Now is later, I am screwed. I had to enable the use of ALT-SysRq-f to manually invoke OOM-killer because I often run out of RAM.
8GB just feels like way too little for a new laptop. Well, maybe the absolutely cheap ones, but “mid-range”, no.
It’s crazy. A bit over a year ago I got a refurbished ThinkPad for €180 with 1x16GB of RAM. Now that RAM costs around €120.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
That’s going to make running anything on Windows rather uncomfortable.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Windows 11 is actually unusable on 8GB RAM
JTskulk@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Do it. I know which OS will run fine on 8G of RAM and which one won’t.
Damarus@feddit.org 1 month ago
I wouldn’t be happy with 8 GB of RAM regardless of OS.
uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Same, I am often about 8 GB of RAM with my daily usage.
foggenbooty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nor would I, but if apps were actually optimized instead of the Electron nonsense we have now we’d be in a better place. I really hope this forces us to finally build better again instead of relying on infinite resources.
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Someone’s smelling the year of the desktop
StitchInTime@piefed.social 1 month ago
I built a gaming PC last year with 32gb, and it’s time to upgrade my MacBook…
So, logically, I just moved my workflow to my desktop. I would say dual boot for the win… but honestly most of my games run great on Linux, so I think I’m just good there until and unless this blows over.
comador@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Minix and FreeBSD…
/runs; hides
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 month ago
They don’t care, my parents laptop was decently mid-range spec bar storage, manufacturer put in a 5400RPM spinning rust drive. It was damn near unusable, crap from the factory.
Was forced to use it once when visiting and noticed the performance, put an SSD in it and it’s been a fine laptop since. They’re perfectly willing to hobble a laptop to save a buck.
sefra1@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
No OS if fine with 8GB if you use it for anything other than browsing memes
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
There’s more than that ?
toddestan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Actually, the web browser is one of the major offenders when it comes to consuming large amounts of RAM.
radioactivefunguy@piefed.ca 1 month ago
In a single tab
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I run fedora on 8GB and find it functional but definitely not comfortable. Anything past a dozen tabs and it starts getting choked up.
antrosapien@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Linux adoption… accelerates
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re thinking of CP/M, right?
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Can CP/M address >= 2^32 bytes?