Submitted 3 weeks ago by Sunflier@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
It’s wild just how much they’re trying to shove AI down our throats.
Who’s going to step up and start creating a “dumb” version of absolutely everything? One brand dedicated to just making the thing do the thing it absolutely must do and nothing else.
Would be great but the manufacturer would be at a disadvantage because that bundled bullshit effectively subsidizes the device. So you’d have to either raise prices or accept a lower profit margin.
Due to the high barrier of entry (e.g. because of patents) it’s unlikely that a privately owned company can make a big market entry, especially across countries. And a public company will be forced by the shareholders to maximize profit so either you bundle crapware or they fire you as CEO.
Of course if you look outside the TV maker, such devices already exist. High-quality digital signage devices can easily be had – for about three times the price of an equivalently-sized TV.
So you’d have to either raise prices or accept a lower profit margin.
Isn’t that the point and the main benefit of competitive markets?
Agreed, regarding barriers to entry though. They need to be addressed.
Wonder if avoiding the HDMI forum and only having open source ports like DP would reduce cost.
Why do they need incoming profit after the purchase? We’ve had single purchases for 70 years and they’ve done fine. Set the price above the price of materials. Boom profit. Transaction over.
Some premium brands like Bang & Olufsen sell TVs without adware, I think Panasonic TVs are mostly ad-free for now.
Outside of that, most big brands will have “professional” or “commercial” product lines that also don’t have ads. But in all cases you’ll have to pay extra over the TVs subsidized by ads.
pay extra over the TVs subsidized by ads.
Let’s be very clear, they are not and never were “subsidised by ads”. Ads just became a new way to extract more money from customers.
that also don’t have ads.
YET!
What we need to be pushing is someone like Framework to build fixable TV’s. Plenty of companies now make PI compute style boards so give me a screen I can put my own PI compute style board in and flash my own software.
Then if JelllyFin added in the tuner side, considering it already has the basics, you’d likely get a ton of business selling custom TV’s that are more useable then the crap we have now. Look how popular the fire sticks got!
Makes me wish I had a few million to get a TV designed, make a batch but I think demand would be an issue… which begs the question, how is no-one doing it yet? 🤦♂️🙄
sceptre.com/…/4K-UHD-TV-category1category73.html
All their TVs are dumb. We’re moving to a new house next year, and I decided all our TVs will be Sceptre.
Some premium brands like Bang & Olufsen sell TVs without adware,
Well, their TVs start around $9k and get up to about $30k. That’d be kinda crazy if they play ads like other brands do.
are mostly ad-free for now.
Mostly?
Is that already considered some kind of quality?
Alternatively… just get a CRT. Or hell, even an old plasma screen lol
You can often buy the “digital signage” of TVs. Same pannel, but it’s just a screen. I think it’s targetting businesses but you can buy them too!
I will if you start a go fund me to raise enough money to.
Yeah, me too. I’ve already been wanting to make refrigerators. How hard can it be? I assume shitty regulations are the biggest holdup.
My company received an email from Microsoft this week.
“From our data you are not selling Ai features as much as your competitors and we suggest that you start changing this or you will be left behind.”
It was a completely bullshit email. But the stupids at my company are now worried that Microsoft is tracking the features we’re selling with our computers. Like if that wasn’t the most glaring red flag “we have spent way too much money on this and we need you to prove we aren’t dumbasses” I don’t know what is.
I still will not sell Ai outside of its basic uses. And I’m backed up by the old heads in my department. Ai is not for everything.
One day, literally every Gsuite product immediately and incessantly started nagging us to use Gemini. Fortunately our tech staff quickly switched it all off. We have slowly been re-enabling features that are useful like meeting transcriptions. I just wish these corporations could have more restraint. In previous waves of improvement in tech, usage dictated investment in new products. These days, they seem to feel the need to coerce us to use their products as they insist we should. I think users are getting fatigued by this dynamic. I used to be the first to install every update and try new apps and products. These days, I’m excited when I can stop using a product, and I don’t think it’s just due to age. It means I can stop having to be vigilant about some company I know is searching for ways to exploit me.
Yeah the MBA guys who pushed enshitification were empowered because their strategies made more money so they must know what they are doing right? Now things don’t happen because they are better they happen because these guys think there is money. And the guys who used to pick the best ideas are out being rich somewhere
I think this rollout could have been handled better. I am generally pro AI but I do think there are tasks it does not handle well (yet?) and places it is unnecessary or just shouldn’t be used. On the other hand though I do think that it is partly age and being in tech a while you tend to get fatigued. Giddily wanting to try all the latest stuff only really works when the technology is new and immature or that you are new to the technology. People have been around digital technology for a while now so it’s no longer exciting.
“This technology is so useful we’re going to force it on you every way we can think of”
Last year I quit a job that added AI use to performance reviews.
It was basically “if we’re not all in on AI our competitors will be, we all need to learn it”.
Nobody paid for their product for AI before, they paid for a product that was simple and reliable so that their business didn’t have to worry about issues and could dicks on their core competencies.
I watched some sheisters build some impressive money furnaces, they got the praise while I got sidelined for pointing out the costs. I literally showed the forecasted costs of tens of thousands a week on basically a vanity feature with no payout, and the execs all said yeah that was fine, it’s AI. Then two months later they were asking me why our costs went up so much and why they didn’t know that would happen, and I just pointed to my date stamped presentation of the numbers and meeting notes they approved (and my numbers were 99% accurate to the true costs).
When execs ignore my advice and warnings I leave.
Sorry to hear that. It’s wild. Dell is doing a 30% price hike because of prices. Announced today. I expect us to follow.
For your protection!
If you root your lg oled you can truly block automatic updates. You can also install ad free youtube with sponsorblock integrated plus a bunch of other stuff that is of varying utility depending on your use case.
In general though just don’t connect it to the internet and get a $100 box for jellyfin from china (ugoos am6b+ works great and can playback basically anything but av1 natively if you flash Coreelec, the android side can still run streaming apps if you insist or iptv apps like tv mate since iptv support in kodi/jellyfin suuuucks).
Lg has proven they don’t respect consent by silently opting you in to data collection with updates. The updates never add features or bug fixes, just ugly UI changes and shit like this. It’s almost never worth updating unless someone is specifically saying “you should update, it fixes/adds ____
In the future don’t support them but at the same time it’s the “who the fuck can you support/oh you use an iphone under capitalism” problem. Yeah you don’t need a big tv, you don’t need an oled, you can buy a far more expensive commercial display, etc. I dunno
If you root your tv…
My brother in christ.
You buy a $400-$3000 tv and eliminate big parts of the feature set (dlna, phone/laptop as remote, airplay/casting, etc) because you let their nonsense prevent you from connecting something you purchased to the internet so the vendor won’t ruin it.
Or you buy any other brand where rooting isn’t even an option and the ad penetration is often worse because they’re almost all based around amazon, androidtv, or Roku, all of which are much more developed and mature. With tricks like not allowing you to set a custom dns for Adblocking (Roku does this) or hard defining a cloudflare DNS to circumvent ad blocking dns if you set it at the router level (android does this).
If all the options are shit, make one that works
Exactly. This is already so many levels 9f wrong up to this point.
Not connecting it isn’t going to necessarily matter in the future if TVs start using meshnets to spy and install adware/bloatware/etc. regardless of if you’re connected or not like has been looked into for a while.
Raising the importance of both having a rooted tv and independent analysis of network traffic related to these devices
ugoos am6b+ works great and can playback basically anything but av1 natively if you flash Coreelec, the android side can still run streaming apps if you insist or iptv apps like tv mate since iptv support in kodi/jellyfin suuuucks
Not Netflix though, right?
We cancelled our Netflix subscription earlier this year, but I am just curious. To my understanding to install Netflix you have to use trash tier HTPC devices.
The android side should be able to run Netflix with Dolby vision/hdr/atmos though I have not tested this because I don’t have an account.
The reason it works for Dolby vision playback in kodi/core elec is because it’s licensed. That’s why you end up having to dual boot, you need to retain the blobs on the android side to make the DV profiles work. It’s fucking dumb and Dolby vision is dumb and proprietary but technically superior but hdr10+ is open but lg doesn’t support it, it’s all fucking dumb.
Anyway it’s licensed for Dolby vision because it’s primarily meant as a box for streaming apps, so I assume Netflix/hbo max/etc would work. I don’t have accounts so I don’t know. I only use the android side for iptv
The controversy centers on a Reddit post in the r/mildlyinfuriating subreddit, where a user lamented the unexpected addition of Copilot following an automatic update. The post, which garnered thousands of upvotes and comments, describes the AI tool appearing as a non-deletable app on the TV’s interface.
“Widespread backlash” 🙄
AI generated summary for sure
Honestly, though this is the definition of “widespread backlash” when it comes to red pilled garbage. So I’ll take it.
Needs to be illegal.
Yeah, changing hardware operating software after purchase should be restricted.
At minimum, should be forced to allow trash software to be removed.
This, this finally made me reach back my LG TV and disconnected the Ethernet cable.
I need someone to explain to me what situation could possibly arise that would require me to use Copilot on my fucking TV?
The same reason why windows has that stupid desktop search - so that some twat with an MBA can brag about user engagement and justify his existence. Also, to hoover up user data for slop machine training.
At least you can turn that search thing off!
Don’t think about what copilot can do for you, think about how it could squeeze profit from your instead ~Microsoft lunatics
This is like how I save money on internet by having cable I don’t watch.
The execs just want that cable subscriber number to go up so they effectively pay me to have it.
They had the same thing with landlines for a while.
I believe we’re talking about the “number go up” scenario
Play the movie where Darth Vader dies.
Of course there are features enabled by ai. But to force it down our throats, that’s the problem.
I’ll throw my money at any TV manfucturer that just sells me a dumb OLED TV with great picture quality. Heck, even drop the speakers, I won’t be using them anyway. Just a dumb panel with plenty of input/outputs.
The LG TVs are basically that if you just ignore the LG ui. You can plug in whatever input you want and have it automatically go there on launch.
I never see the LG UI. Only my nvidia shield
The last time I said basically this same thing, someone recommended something…I think it was an industrial TV or something? I can’t remember!
This shit is why more people now have dabbled in DNS blocking and vlans. Its “your” equipment but you need to literally treat it as hostile.
Anything you didn’t program yourself should be assumed hostile.
Lots of open source gets a pad because grumpier people than me review it and they seem to have good taste, but I still don’t blindly trust it.
My next tv (don’t have one) is just gonna be attached to a laptop by hdmi. That’s it.
Then follows a class action lawsuit because the AI exposed children to unsuitable materials and the thing is gone the next update.
So glad I blocked my LG C1 from the internet ages ago. Haven’t received updates in forever, don’t care. It’s a TV, it shows pictures. I even still have it LAN enabled so it can be controlled via Home Assistant automations, it just can never leave the home network, and that’s how I like it.
I can’t even remember how long ago I set it up to do this, I think it was when I heard rumor they’d be including ads in the UI, maybe 2023 or so.
Irony is LG has their own open weights AI: Exaone 32B.
It’s… not terrible. But they gave it a license from the depths of hell, that even forbids reverse engineering and basically claims all its outputs, so no one uses it.
huggingface.co/LGAI-EXAONE/…/LICENSE
Anyway, I find it darkly hilarious that they choose to snub their own research and shove copilot in instead.
It seems TV aren’t even owner by the owners anymore. I don’t watch TV nor game anymore but seeing the amount of ads when just turning on tvs at friends houses is wild and now with this it’s doing way too much to just be a display. Whoever decides to start making dumb tvs again at mass with all the newer tech like hdr and dolby atmos in it will have a booming business but I guess no residuals after the sale no unlimited growth for investors.
Well LG did me a favor. Don’t buy LG tvs, Samsung appliances or HP printers.
I got my mom an iPad, apparently AI is unavoidable in setup. To finish setup, you must agree to Apple AI.
There are all doing it together. I can’t keep track of who owns what, perhaps “they” are all actually owned by the same megacorp.
At some point we’d have to import TVs from behind the Great Chinese Firewall to avoid unwanted US tech.
Who the fucks connect tv to the internet
This comes up a lot, and I don’t necessarily get it. I have all smart TVs, and I just never, ever, EVER let them connect to wifi even ONCE for any reason…
Oh, the same company that screenshots your content even if you use it as a dumb display? Who could’ve predicted this!
Since it can’t be LG anymore - what’s a good TV screen for gaming?
FYI, it won’t let you delete Alexa either. I hate that fucking thing.
LG’s recent software update has forcibly installed Microsoft Copilot, an AI assistant, on smart TVs without removal options, sparking widespread user backlash over privacy, bloatware, and loss of control. This highlights growing tensions in smart devices, where monetization often overrides user preferences.
Sure is ironic that the article summary is itself AI-generated.
What does LG even get out of this?
clankers should be segregated from society. oh and to the hexbear people: “clanker” is technically NOT a slur. seriously!
Easy way to never get this. Don’t connect the tv to internet. Literally get an Apple TV or fire stick or something else as a media player.
one of the many prices you pay letting a “Smart” TV connect to the internet.
Don’t buy LG, noted. Also, maybe buying a dumb TV with great panel and then adding android fire stick that you can manage the way you want is the way all along?
How the fuck would you even use it on your TV?
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
Incredible. What a shit idea.
Anyways, kids, remember: never let your smart devices talk to the internet. We actually love our LG OLED - it’s fantastic hardware. But it has not once, and never will, get the chance to phone home.
Sepix@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
But what do you use instead? The onboard apps work well and having two remotes always sucked.
mcforest@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Thanks to HDMI-CEC you can control additional media players with your TV’s remote. Sometimes it might not be perfect for things like long presses and stuff, but for basic controls it works.
That’s my experience with an Nvidia Shield and a Raspberry with KODI. I wouldn’t really recommend the Raspberry though.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A separate box with apps that work better and just use the one remote.
djdarren@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I use an Apple TV with mine. You can control the TV and soundbar from its one small remote.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
I only use the Nvidia Shield remote. It obviously does everything on the Shield, plus tv on/off, and volume. Then I remapped the Netflix button on it to open a little quick actions menu to select brightness/picture mode levels.
Haven’t touched the lg remote since
crossover@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
AppleTV.
arstechnica.com/…/all-the-ways-apple-tv-boxes-do-…
TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Would you connect it to the internet with all its consequences to be able to use one remote instead of two?
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Nvidia Shield or chromecast. Two remotes is really not a big deal.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Literally any device plugged into a dumb screen is better than a smart TV.
The hardware on a smart TV is typically absolute trash. It’s why they’re so slow.
riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Chromecast
Mertn33@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I have an lg TV. Never use it’s remote.
mik@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Totally worth mentioning, some LG OLED TVs are able to be jailbroken and run homebrew software!
www.webosbrew.org
It can block firmware updates and telemetry, so no spying and no surprise “feature” additions.
djdarren@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Yeah, my LG OLED is a genuinely wonderful thing, with which 99% of its use is via an Apple TV. The other 1% is me casting my phone to it, because it’s a Pixel and Apple are pricks who won’t let AirPlay work outside of their ecosystem.
Fit_Series_573@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I got a Sony OLED that was on a steep discount near the beginning of covid since it was clear me and my roommate would be home a lot more (Ended up just being in nature more and used it sporadically). Thankfully their interface was minimal at the time so it was just a blank homescreen in offline mode but I’ve saw tvs now adays some people are buying that will have an overlay even while on any hdmi inputs, that you must connect to the tv. A friend of mine got a cheap Walmart one after a move like 2 years ago and the overlay took up a third of the screen. He just moved too so he had no internet to connect to for a couple days so couldn’t even use his PS4 on it.
ad_on_is@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I reworked my entire home network. Going from an Asus router to an opnsense firewall, just to put the HP printer and the LG TV on a VLAN with absolutely no internet access.
These two poor guys ping each other every day, in the hopes one of them gets a connection.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 2 weeks ago
Awesome haha. ALmost exact same setup here, incl. OpnSense with an isolation vlan in which (brother) printer and TV are.
wingsfortheirsmiles@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Exactly, I basically just use mine as a big monitor connected to my PC sat beneath it
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
That’s the way to go, fuck all these limiting android slop boxes.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Especially a smart phone!