US demands access to tourists' social media histories

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• mereo@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The new proposal would make it “mandatory” for ESTA applicants to provide US authorities with access to five years of their social media activity on platforms such as Instagram, TikTok and X. >

  Visitors will also be required to provide information on what US authorities dub “high-value data fields,” meaning **all of their phone numbers over the past five years and all of their e-mail addresses over the past 10.** Moreover, they will be forced to provide personal details on family members as well as provide their own **biometric data.** > > The proposal was published in the Federal Register on Tuesday, meaning that it will be open for public comment for 60 days, at which point it will become law unless challenged in court.

  As a Canadian, I won’t be travelling to the Republic of Gilead anytime soon. That country is becoming worse by the minute. And since Americans think I’m Latino (I’m not), I don’t want to be shipped to El Salvador.

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  • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m thinking of visiting Montreal for beer. Crossing North from Vermont… y’all gonna kick my ass before I can spend that glorious USD $$ ?

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    • Rothe@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You seem to confuse Canadians for Americans.

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    • Seleni@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      As a fellow American, we really don’t need any help looking bad at the moment, so you can stop now.

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  • redlemace@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    shipped to El Salvador. I’m white as hell, but with the comments I make on the orange clown I’ll be shot into orbit in nothing more than a speedo (only because nudity is a no ! no !! no !!! no !!! no !!! no way)

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• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Uhhhh, it’s more than their social media.

  The new proposal would make it “mandatory” for ESTA applicants to provide US authorities with access to five years of their social media activity on platforms such as Instagram, TikTok and X.

  Visitors will also be required to provide information on what US authorities dub “high-value data fields,” meaning all of their phone numbers over the past five years and all of their e-mail addresses over the past 10. Moreover, they will be forced to provide personal details on family members as well as provide their own biometric data.

  The proposal was published in the Federal Register on Tuesday, meaning that it will be open for public comment for 60 days, at which point it will become law unless challenged in court.

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  • rehydrate5503@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Checks SimpleLogin account… 230 email aliases to date… gg, I might need a few more pages to note all of those.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Plus, how tf are they going to know if you’re telling them about everything? This will just make people not visit.

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    • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      230 email aliases to date

      That looks suspicious and a lot of work, let’s just send you to and ICE detention facility until we decide what to do with you.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What if you’re not a 15-year-old girl and therefore don’t have TikTok and Instagram are they going to arrest you? What a truly stupid country.

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  • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I was wondering why this ‘five years’ thing popped up now, because I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of it long ago.

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  • Lazylazycat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Emails? Wtf?

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  • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think that’s objectively worse than North Korea, they only check what you have with you as far as I’m aware

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  • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is a shame honestly. I’ve just remembered about Lucas’ narrative art museum.

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• affenlehrer@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Been there twice, it was interesting and already shocking in 2008.

  You US Americans should visit Europe or live there for a while. Then you can decide to come back or stay but you’ll have at least a reference point in your brain that things can be different and maybe that the US isn’t the greatest country in the world in all fields.

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  • thefluffiest@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The US is a third-world country that failed upwards

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    • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      My favourite description: “US is 50 third world countries in a trench coat”.

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    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      …wearing a gucci belt

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  • massacre@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I dunno, and this sanity check is coming from someone who’s visited over a dozen times and loves it there… EU is not all fun and games, they are going to enforce chat control, apparently bowing to pressure on GDPR, has enforced facial recognition to enter, and right wing parties are growing in multiple countries including the big economic houses: Germany, France, UK. We’re all over here looking at you folks to show us the way and if you blink in your resolve, you’re going to end up where we are.

    On a positive note, Drumpf’s policies are hitting a wall of awareness, resistance and resolve. Our recent elections are giving some hope. His pedophile protecting tight grip is loosening it’s hold as his desperately unpopular and catastrophic policies are forcing “masks off” upping of their rhetoric and abusive policies. This shows their real racist nazi agenda to everyone and it’s only dropping their approval. We’re worried they will cook the books next November, but the hope is we can reign in the insanity and undo the damage in the coming decade. It’s going to take that long and we will need to start with our dear friends in Canada).

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    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The EU is now talking about doing what the US was already doing more than a decade ago when Snowden Revelations came out.

      And don’t get me started on things like the relative ratios of “death by police” and percentage of people in prision (to mention just the things related to the use of force in policing) between America and Europe.

      The EU is at least a decade behind the US in creeping autoritarianism and a lot of that shit has been imported from the US (including the new style far right, which amongst other things was set-up with money from American billionaires which Steve Bannon brought to Europe years ago very openly to “create far right parties” and is ideologically fed by American money using social media which for example paid Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to fuel Brexit).

      In this turn of the Wheel of History, the equivalent of Nazism is spreading out from America.

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    • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Right-wing is code for not being part of the ruling party block.

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  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Personally I’ve been boycotting travel to the US or even just with a transfer in the US since the PATRIOT act.

    Already over a decade ago I very purposefully chose Canada (highly recommended, by the way) for a month vacationing in North America rather than the US.

    The writting has been on the wall for this shit ever since they allowed the TSA to start confiscating traveller’s mobile phones and computers way back in Bush’s day - the main difference with the current administration compared to the previous ones is that they’re open about what they’re looking for.

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  • dukemirage@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is this European exceptionalism?

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    • affenlehrer@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      No, I guess Canada and possibly many other countries are similar but I didn’t experience them yet.

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  • mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    and maybe that the US isn’t the greatest country in the world in all fields.

    I think that’s why they want our “high value data fields”… ☺️

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  • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The EU is fast-tracking the Fourth Reich, so visit it while there’s still time.

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• TimboSlice@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Do not visit the US

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  • desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    literally, I let my VISA expire and it was hard because I live on the frontier so I’ll miss out on a lot of things but it is not worth it last time I needed to cross the border I was detained for an extra hour (not counting the queue) just because I didn’t cross during the pandemic

    fuck the US, fuck fascism

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  • berrodeguarana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I still remember a trip I took with my parents to Vancouver and Seattle. We are from Brazil.

    The difference was night and day, especially the infrastructure, landscape, and the appearance of the people who worked there. Seattle felt much more somber and gray.

    The only ones who seemed overtly happy were the waitresses, but since jobs in the U.S. depend on tips, it felt more like forced role-play compared to the more down-to-earth Canadian customer service.

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• Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Oh, man. Anyone else remember how Republicans used to threaten to exercise their 2A rights in response to filling out a basic census report?

  Yeah. I miss the days when those folks were considered the standard for “Conservative values”. They were practically antifa back then.

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  • fonix232@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Turns out the guns were never about defending themselves against an authoritarian government.

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    • tty5@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nothing makes them talk about gun control faster than minorities arming.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Current contents of the shell don’t say much about past contents of it.

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    • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      it is, and always was, about killing brown people.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Mine are. ICE just isn’t in my area yet.

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Ok, idea, The rest of the world demands access to 5 years of US citizens social media to enter their countries. Deny Nazi/Fash/Maga from leaving the US.

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  • baconsunday@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Most maga can’t afford to leave the country much less their own state.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      while true, there are a boat load of wealthy republicans that would NOT pass a social media check

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  • zen@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nah fuck that. The good people/lefties can come over, and we’ll have a barbie 🇺🇸🇦🇺🦐🍻

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  • girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Good idea. Let’s just do what the fascists are doing. That’ll show them!

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    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      For the rest of the world it’s a smart idea, who would want self proclaimed domestic terrorists into their country?

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I mean, we’ve tried not reciprocating.

      They literally don’t get anything until it’s happening to them, and the US left NEVER names it happen to them.

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  • Trashcan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    A lot of Americans on the right famiously doesnt own a passport and doesn’t leave the country. You are more or less playing into their hand…

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    • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They get angry if someone else is having buttsex witin the privacy of their own house and are of the same gender.

      They get angry if someone else has any autonomy over their own body.

      They get angry if someone with slightly different color skin or speaks slightly differently is pulling a paycheck and looking after their own family. Basically existing.

      You say that as if republicans have suddenly developed a critical thinking ability and wouldn’t simply give into ego to be angry at the principle.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m more worried about the politicians :)

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    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      A lot of Americans on the right famiously doesnt own a passport and doesn’t leave the country.

      But why would you leave the Greatest Country on Earth™?

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• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If the Dems aren’t running on abolishing ICE and completely dismantling the police state, now, they’re setting up to throw the 2028 election.

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  • h54@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I hate to say it but they likely won’t. Establishment democrats are complicit.

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    • Sunshine@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      AOC is gonna need a big mop.

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    • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      So are their voters.

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  • you_are_dust@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Doubtful. The Democrats we have run on the platform of keep everything exactly the same. No changes, we’re all good here. No notes.

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Which strangely enough sounds exactly like what a conservative stance actually is. The “conservatives” are the extremists now and them dems are spineless snails.*

      • also known as snails.

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  • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’ll be “it’s the economy stupid”. Notice else will be said.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Image

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  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They’re gonna Ratchet Effect the shit out this!

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• Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  People, PLEASE stop coming to America. The government doesn’t want you here. Also, it’s not safe at all.

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  • Prior_Industry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If the earning reports of hotel REITs are anything to go by that is exactly what’s happening.

    Make Murica Great Again or something…

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• switcheroo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Trying to isolate the country from what used to be our allies, then take away all our rights and turn this degrading shithole into North Korea where the citizens are law bound to kiss their “leaders” ass and pretend it doesn’t fucking stink.

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  • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Whether or not the states are being puppeted by Russia holding cards in the form of blackmail, this is exactly the kind of thing they would do to weaken the states

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      its is the foundation of geopolitics that russia uses.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    krasnov is adhering to PUTINS wishes.

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• falseWhite@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Is anyone really surprised by the further restrictions on the free speech by the fascist regime?

  What surprises me is how much Americans are willing to take or how self-absorbed and blind they are as to what is happening.

  First it was illegal immigrants. Then any immigrants. Now legal visitors, not even immigrants. Next it will be citizens, absolutely guaranteed.

  They are already being targeted by the ICE and the government is working on plans to label citizens as domestic terrorists if they oppose the president.

  But yeah, I’m sure using your ICE whistles and honking at the Nazi police as they abduct your family is friends is gonna solve the problem.

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  • candyman337@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    it’s so tiring to watch people just not realize the natural progression to all of this, like how can you not see it’s gonna be YOU next in a few years when you post on facebook about how you’re disappointed about supreme leader trump’s tax policy and the secret police show up at your door

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Americans are incapable of thinking that far ahead. They will literally scoff at any foresight, like the future is unknowable.

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  • Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    My neighbors heads are firmly wedged all the way up their asses. These old fools act like everything is just fine because the boots aren’t on their necks yet.

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• echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So does the US just want to totally kill its tourist industry because that seems to be the objective.

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• kamen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s amazing how much the US doesn’t want you to go there, even if it’s just to visit.

  Despite all the mediocrity, there are some things to see there, but if that’s the authorities’ attitude (and this here is not the first example of it), yeah, I think I’ll skip.

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• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Well, that’s definitelly going to solve the fall in Tourism problem in the US /s

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• Zomg@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So what happens when you truthfully state “I don’t use social media”? Or use any that are mainstream?

  Seems like a dumb time to me.

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• JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Visitors will also be required to provide information on what US authorities dub “high-value data fields,” meaning all of their phone numbers over the past five years and all of their e-mail addresses over the past 10. Moreover, they will be forced to provide personal details on family members as well as provide their own biometric data.

  That’s an entry ban for many people here. I do not know in which forums I posted some questions back in Dec 2020. I totally do not know the numbers of those prepaid sims I used while traveling 2016 till 2019. I used their mobile data and they have been in the trash for a decade. I also do not not every trash mail, mail redirect and mail service I have used since 2015. That must be hundreds of adresses.

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• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If this shit passes, the EU should apply the same rule and when we find a fucking MAGAt, stamp “Entry Denied and Fuck Off!”

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• NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Lol, what tourists

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Fascism.

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  yeah, because tourism is doing so well now, we need more reasons to fuck over the industry

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• Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I am surprised the tourism industry is taking this so well. I mean Trump and company are literally doing anything they can to kill it off.

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• ViscloReader@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  One of my relative was stuck in us borders because he didn’t have social media pages to his name so they thought he was a terrorist.

  This was in 2021 I believe.

  This made me scared to go even before the orange man came back.

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• fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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• mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Don’t worry about it! The Democrats will oppose this and get it kicked out for being un American. And if they don’t succeed then all you have to do is wait until they get back into office and they’ll executive order it straight outta town in an instant…

  Right?

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• count_dongulus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “I don’t use social media, and I don’t have an email.”

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• floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So much freedom of speech

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• LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Don’t come here is the message they’re sending. The US is closed for business.

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• kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  reason #2 why I would never visit that country

  (#1 is the mass shootings and gun mania)

  (tbh the only thing I’d want to visit to begin with are the giant sequoia in California)

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  US doesn’t understand why nobody wants to visit their shit hole Country anymore

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• TrippingBalls@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Read between the lines… 100 billion dollar bailout coming to aid the tourism businesses affected by the new rules…

  His hotels…

  Just like the farmer bailout due to the losses incurred from the tariffs

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• borQue@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Murica, home of hatred and fear. and home of the spoiled. and the greedy. and the devious. and the self endulged. and the (fill in your favourite bad quality here, it 'll fit)

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