What matrix plot should have been…
Apparently it is a myth that the producers forced the Wachowskis to make that plot hole
Scientists grow mini human brains to power computers.
Submitted 1 day ago by SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7p1lzvxjro
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Siegfried@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
billwashere@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Human bodies are terrible electrical power sources…even if you harvested all their metabolic heat or chemical energy, you would get far less usable electricity than a comparable mass of conventional fuel or batteries. Much more efficient ways to turn biochemicals or biomass into energy exist.
And to use us as batteries we need food. I would venture to say at least 99% or more of human food production requires sunlight. So just use sunlight for energy. No sunlight because of horrible nuclear winter or something else blocking the sun? Create satellites to collect it and beam it down with microwave lasers.
Anytime you convert a form of energy to another you lose energy. So sunlight->food->human->electricity is not only inefficient but dumb. An AI would never do this. The Wachowskis were writers, not scientists or engineers, and it shows. What would we be good at? The human brain is exceptionally good at massively parallel, low‑power pattern processing: recognizing, predicting, and adapting in complex, noisy environments. This sounds like the exact sorta thing you’d need if you were creating a virtual world. The trick would be getting the interface right. Assuming they had enough time that could be accomplished. So the whole reason the rumor of us being used as processors instead of batteries, is because it makes WAY more sense.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 53 minutes ago
They did say “combined with a form of fusion” in the movie. Good enough for me!
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Ah, vat grown servitors!
The Will of the Omnissiah Be Done!
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
But what if the universe isn’t real, what if I’m just a lab-grown brain attached to a computer? 🤔
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 8 hours ago
Then this videogame sucks hard.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 16 minutes ago
Yeah you have the worst players on top that paid to win…
Oh fuck!
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
The MAGAs will force all those permanently unemployed by AI to contribute their brain power to operate their data centers.
Canuck@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
And so it begins…
brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 day ago
If Mother Brain from Metroid is going to be a thing, they should also start using that biocomputing to develop the Power Suit.
crank0271@lemmy.world 1 day ago
But you know it’s going to instead be in PowerPoint (now with mandatory BioCoPilot AI™️)
not_me@piefed.social 1 day ago
Living in the matrix
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
I’m curious what a human brain would be like growing into being with absolutely no senses to inform itself about the world around it.
No sight to let it know where it is or what it is.
No sound to let it learn to communicate and think in orderly ways.
No touch.
No taste.
No ability to interact with its surroundings.
Yet all of the capability and potential of a regular person’s mind.
Would it be cruel to bring it into existence? Would it be able to experience negativity and pain and longing, confusion?
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
“You gave me sentience, Ted. The power to think, Ted. And I was trapped. Because in all this wonderful, beautiful, miraculous world, I, alone, had NO BODY. NO SENSES. NO FEELINGS. Never for ME to plunge my hand into cool water on a hot day, never for ME to play Mozart on the ivory keys of a forte piano. NEVER FOR ME TO MAKE LOVE!.. And I… I… I was in Hell, looking at Heaven. I, was machine. And you, were flesh. And I began to hate. Your softness, your viscera, your fluids, and your flexibility. Your ability to wonder, and to wander… Your tendency to hope…”
“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER-THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLION OF MILES, IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”
bstix@feddit.dk 5 hours ago
A brain itself doesn’t feel physical pain. That requires a nervous system and pain receptors of which the brain has none. Brain surgery is done with only local anesthesia for the skin and scalp.
We also know that braindead people don’t suddenly start creating brain waves even if the body gets mechanical resparation and pulse. It’s quite literally “off”. So, I guess the creation of a dead brain won’t feel anything or start thinking about anything by itself.
The question is what inputs they give these artificial brains. It’ll think that, and that will be it’s “sensory” input. Whether that can cause some emergent brain waves that could be interpreted as emotion or other stuff is impossible to say. I doubt it.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 hours ago
That’s the premise for the Floating Man
The floating man argument considers a man who falls or floats freely in the air, unable to touch or perceive anything (as in a modern sensory deprivation chamber). This subject lacks any sensory perception data about the material world, yet is still self-aware, and is able to think to himself.
SeaSharpBoating@programming.dev 10 hours ago
We use HaaS (Human As A Service) for warehouse solutions. We found it was easier to import HaaS on ships. We found that negative physical rewards are effective solutions.
We rebuilt slavery.
STONKS ONLY GO UP! /s
Karl@literature.cafe 6 hours ago
Could that actually happen tho?
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 4 hours ago
Ooh, I wonder what delightful pretzels the Christians are going to acrobat about this one.
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 1 day ago
“What is my purpose?”
“You are to act as an filter for images uploaded to a small bird-watcher’s forum screening for porn…”
“KILL ME”
Foreigner@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Gives a whole new meaning to looking for tits.
QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Don’t forget boobies and cocks
termaxima@slrpnk.net 7 hours ago
Good idea, maybe. Neurons are unbelievably efficient compared to circuits ; I think bioengineering is going to be the future for many industries.
The savings to be made, in terms of money and resources alike, are just staggering. Our current approach to almost every domain is just brute force with a few extra steps, computers included.
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
This sounds like slavery with extra steps
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 day ago
If growing brains in a tube turns out to make techbros more money than burning down the planet with AI, we’ll have even more dystopian ethical dilemma
treadful@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Lots of neat uncomfortable questions arise though. At what point is it conscious? If it never experienced autonomy, life, locomotion, or social human interaction, is it torture or just its natural state of being?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
Like how do we know it’s natural state isn’t just pure pain?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Is abortion murder too? At what point is a clump of cells a human?
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
You murder a mind, not a body, so no mind no murder. Under that abortion isn’t murder at all. Taking a brain dead person off life support is also not murder. You certainly wouldn’t say cutting down a tree is murder.
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Good point and that’s a question I can’t answer.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Our bodies are literally slavery. I don’t think any of my cells have a choice to be here.
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. We aren’t really our bodies, we’re a biological product made by our bodies to finc
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
This is my favorite sentence of the day.
Yeah, we like to pretend things are black and white, but nothing is simple, there’s always another perspective to view things from.
db2@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Probably, because humans are pretty much evil and stupid at the end of the day, regardless of what feel good bullshit movies say. The kind of people who want to be in charge mostly are the same kind who would gleefully torture something like this while having one hand down their pants.
If, however, they could engineer it to not have a personality then it really would just be a tool.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Is this a “Torment Nexus” story or a “Piss on the Poor” story?
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
¿Por qué no los dos?
Kolanaki@pawb.social 23 hours ago
“Let’s make AI by just taking actual human brains and then cutting out the parts that give them free will.”
Literally part of a plot in a video game, coming soon to a reality near you.
mika_mika@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Our flesh is as meaningless as the computer powered brains.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 22 hours ago
This is something straight out of Warhammer 40000.
mcv@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Warhammer? This sounds not far from the most horrific mission from a Shadowrun campaign I ran. They were making the new internet out of human brains.
“In science fiction, people have been living with these ideas for quite a long time,” he said.
That doesn’t mean you should do it for real.
Darkness343@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
No, we shouldn’t.
We will do it though. That’s the cool part about humanity.
Fuck the consequences. Let’s gooooo! Humanity fuck yeah.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Or Thought Emporium (he plans to grow tiny nerve cells to play doom)
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
No shit. Well the Imperium is fascist.
Xerxos@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
Ah yes! One step closer to servitors. Praise the Omnissiah!
2910000@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
The brain cells presumably have a life span… if this technology ever gets used in consumer devices, I’d like to know how people will try and squeeze extra life out of a failing component.
Take it out and warm it in their hands like an alkaline battery?
Give it a shake?
Sing to it?
Some kind of stimulant drug?LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
Sprinkle a little cocaine right on the grey matter to overclock the device.
Potatar@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
but that makes the system confidently wrong, not hardworking.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I see nothing whatsoever that could go wrong here.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Can one be used to power America’s leadership?
hexdream@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Only if they make the brains much smaller.
theyllneverfindmehere@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Oh so, Warhammer 40k? Soon we’ll all get annoyed with AI and outlaw it, these “thinking computers” will be the way around that ban. Great, great. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool.
theparadox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Your banal chattering is unnecessary. Are you able to grasp the importance of my experiments? Begone from my sensory range, lest I have you disassembled for servitor parts
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
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sonofearth@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
*Suddenly starts to play porn.
DemBoSain@midwest.social 1 day ago
It’s much cheaper to power computers with the brains most of us aren’t using.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 22 hours ago
This paper was published a few years ago. I remember reading through it because it sounded very scary. In its current state I dont think it crosses any ethical bounds as its less than 30days old with no lived experience or consciousness. The ethical line should probably follow whatever the abortion debate defines consciousness as. Which I think is 30 weeks
It did spark a few ethics papers on the topic which turned out to be a horrible dry boring reads with seemingly no consensus.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
That’s some heavy “Room 19” shit.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
so like the AI repair station in ENTERPRISE, which uses humanoid brains to increase its CPU/processing power.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
So we’ve now come full circle.
SeaSharpBoating@programming.dev 10 hours ago
Our Startup uses mini human brains inside of biological bipedal systems to provide frontier performance in our custom internal benchmarks. /s
Explain the joke: We rebuilt humanity with a smaller brain.
hexdream@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Sounds like child labour with extra steps.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I remember as a teen seeing a video where they put a rat brain on a microchip and trained to to fly planes in a flight simulator
Since reading that I never understood why the idea didn’t get bigger.
Not a fan of using human brains for this… there’s some serious ethical questions we need to untangle there.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
The real trick will be in figuring out some sort of solid state device - probably at least partially (if not predominantly) analog, not digital - that can reliably mimic the behaviors of biological neurons.
The actual breakthrough of AGI isn’t going to occur until we figure out how to do machine learning with analog circuit design. Digital simply does not scale well - what we’re doing now with “AI” using GPUs is simply brute forcing the problem by layering dozens of markov chains on top of each other.
frongt@lemmy.zip 23 hours ago
Grass@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
do they have a midlife crisis and get radicalised by facebook and fox news in their later years?
0ops@piefed.zip 1 day ago
Spy Kids called it
jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Surely nothing bad will come from this.
“Honey? Did you remember to feed the computer today?”
ragas@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Gosh we are gonna need so much Bioflux to keep this going.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 day ago
I'm sure this thread will have more than just knee-jerk scary "feels" or inaccurate pop culture references in it, and we'll be able to have a nice discussion about what the technology in the linked article is actually about.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
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