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If they wanted a tiny human brain, they could have literally just asked nicely.
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Submitted 4 months ago by SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 months ago
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
You can’t make mini brains that way, the republicans get mad.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 months ago
The MAGAs will force all those permanently unemployed by AI to contribute their brain power to operate their data centers.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 4 months ago
Ooh, I wonder what delightful pretzels the Christians are going to acrobat about this one.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Siegfried@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What matrix plot should have been…
Apparently it is a myth that the producers forced the Wachowskis to make that plot hole
billwashere@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Human bodies are terrible electrical power sources…even if you harvested all their metabolic heat or chemical energy, you would get far less usable electricity than a comparable mass of conventional fuel or batteries. Much more efficient ways to turn biochemicals or biomass into energy exist.
And to use us as batteries we need food. I would venture to say at least 99% or more of human food production requires sunlight. So just use sunlight for energy. No sunlight because of horrible nuclear winter or something else blocking the sun? Create satellites to collect it and beam it down with microwave lasers.
Anytime you convert a form of energy to another you lose energy. So sunlight->food->human->electricity is not only inefficient but dumb. An AI would never do this. The Wachowskis were writers, not scientists or engineers, and it shows. What would we be good at? The human brain is exceptionally good at massively parallel, low‑power pattern processing: recognizing, predicting, and adapting in complex, noisy environments. This sounds like the exact sorta thing you’d need if you were creating a virtual world. The trick would be getting the interface right. Assuming they had enough time that could be accomplished. So the whole reason the rumor of us being used as processors instead of batteries, is because it makes WAY more sense.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re saying I should take the jumper cables off the - uh, the guests in my basement? TBF the screams are aggravating, and my electricity bills don’t seem any lower.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
They did say “combined with a form of fusion” in the movie. Good enough for me!
Xerxos@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Ah yes! One step closer to servitors. Praise the Omnissiah!
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Ah, vat grown servitors!
The Will of the Omnissiah Be Done!
termaxima@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Good idea, maybe. Neurons are unbelievably efficient compared to circuits ; I think bioengineering is going to be the future for many industries.
The savings to be made, in terms of money and resources alike, are just staggering. Our current approach to almost every domain is just brute force with a few extra steps, computers included.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
That’s some heavy “Room 19” shit.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
But what if the universe isn’t real, what if I’m just a lab-grown brain attached to a computer? 🤔
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 4 months ago
Then this videogame sucks hard.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 4 months ago
Yeah you have the worst players on top that paid to win…
Oh fuck!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 months ago
so like the AI repair station in ENTERPRISE, which uses humanoid brains to increase its CPU/processing power.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So we’ve now come full circle.
SeaSharpBoating@programming.dev 4 months ago
Our Startup uses mini human brains inside of biological bipedal systems to provide frontier performance in our custom internal benchmarks. /s
Explain the joke: We rebuilt humanity with a smaller brain.
hexdream@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sounds like child labour with extra steps.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I’m curious what a human brain would be like growing into being with absolutely no senses to inform itself about the world around it.
No sight to let it know where it is or what it is.
No sound to let it learn to communicate and think in orderly ways.
No touch.
No taste.
No ability to interact with its surroundings.
Yet all of the capability and potential of a regular person’s mind.
Would it be cruel to bring it into existence? Would it be able to experience negativity and pain and longing, confusion?
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 4 months ago
That’s the premise for the Floating Man
The floating man argument considers a man who falls or floats freely in the air, unable to touch or perceive anything (as in a modern sensory deprivation chamber). This subject lacks any sensory perception data about the material world, yet is still self-aware, and is able to think to himself.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
“You gave me sentience, Ted. The power to think, Ted. And I was trapped. Because in all this wonderful, beautiful, miraculous world, I, alone, had NO BODY. NO SENSES. NO FEELINGS. Never for ME to plunge my hand into cool water on a hot day, never for ME to play Mozart on the ivory keys of a forte piano. NEVER FOR ME TO MAKE LOVE!.. And I… I… I was in Hell, looking at Heaven. I, was machine. And you, were flesh. And I began to hate. Your softness, your viscera, your fluids, and your flexibility. Your ability to wonder, and to wander… Your tendency to hope…”
“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER-THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLION OF MILES, IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”
bstix@feddit.dk 4 months ago
A brain itself doesn’t feel physical pain. That requires a nervous system and pain receptors of which the brain has none. Brain surgery is done with only local anesthesia for the skin and scalp.
We also know that braindead people don’t suddenly start creating brain waves even if the body gets mechanical resparation and pulse. It’s quite literally “off”. So, I guess the creation of a dead brain won’t feel anything or start thinking about anything by itself.
The question is what inputs they give these artificial brains. It’ll think that, and that will be it’s “sensory” input. Whether that can cause some emergent brain waves that could be interpreted as emotion or other stuff is impossible to say. I doubt it.
SeaSharpBoating@programming.dev 4 months ago
We use HaaS (Human As A Service) for warehouse solutions. We found it was easier to import HaaS on ships. We found that negative physical rewards are effective solutions.
We rebuilt slavery.
STONKS ONLY GO UP! /s
Karl@literature.cafe 4 months ago
Could that actually happen tho?
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Can one be used to power America’s leadership?
hexdream@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Only if they make the brains much smaller.
sonofearth@lemmy.world 4 months ago
*Suddenly starts to play porn.
badbytes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Are they called Republicans. Lol.
Grass@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
do they have a midlife crisis and get radicalised by facebook and fox news in their later years?
2910000@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The brain cells presumably have a life span… if this technology ever gets used in consumer devices, I’d like to know how people will try and squeeze extra life out of a failing component.
Take it out and warm it in their hands like an alkaline battery?
Give it a shake?
Sing to it?
Some kind of stimulant drug?LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Sprinkle a little cocaine right on the grey matter to overclock the device.
Potatar@lemmy.world 4 months ago
but that makes the system confidently wrong, not hardworking.
ragas@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Gosh we are gonna need so much Bioflux to keep this going.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
This is something straight out of Warhammer 40000.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Or Thought Emporium (he plans to grow tiny nerve cells to play doom)
mcv@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Warhammer? This sounds not far from the most horrific mission from a Shadowrun campaign I ran. They were making the new internet out of human brains.
“In science fiction, people have been living with these ideas for quite a long time,” he said.
That doesn’t mean you should do it for real.
Darkness343@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No, we shouldn’t.
We will do it though. That’s the cool part about humanity.
Fuck the consequences. Let’s gooooo! Humanity fuck yeah.
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No shit. Well the Imperium is fascist.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 4 months ago
This paper was published a few years ago. I remember reading through it because it sounded very scary. In its current state I dont think it crosses any ethical bounds as its less than 30days old with no lived experience or consciousness. The ethical line should probably follow whatever the abortion debate defines consciousness as. Which I think is 30 weeks
It did spark a few ethics papers on the topic which turned out to be a horrible dry boring reads with seemingly no consensus.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How ghastly
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Is this a “Torment Nexus” story or a “Piss on the Poor” story?
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Training neurons to do calculations doesn’t seem like it’s quite that without the other basic brain structures that mammals have.
mika_mika@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Our flesh is as meaningless as the computer powered brains.
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 4 months ago
¿Por qué no los dos?
Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 months ago
“Let’s make AI by just taking actual human brains and then cutting out the parts that give them free will.”
Literally part of a plot in a video game, coming soon to a reality near you.
beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
They could just say “brains” and leave out where they came from. But nah! Gotta make it creapy.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
it’s not really a brain, just small clusters of neurons
beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
From humans. They could have used rats or fish. But nah, make it weird.
devolution@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Cheaper than data centers.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 4 months ago
I'm sure this thread will have more than just knee-jerk scary "feels" or inaccurate pop culture references in it, and we'll be able to have a nice discussion about what the technology in the linked article is actually about.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Caroline…Caroline….why do I know that name? Did I kill her?
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
I’m glad I’ll be dead in like 30 years if that
vane@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What will die is only your flesh. The data will still be processed, your voice, your chats, your forum entries. You will be feeding AI for eternity.
BandDad@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
This kind of feels like the Black Mirror episode I just watched where they duplicate your consciousness to power your “smart home.”
Supervisor194@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ah yes, White Christmas. That episode fucked me up. It’s a depiction of hell, straight up. And heaven is depicted similarly in San Junipero - not sure if you have seen that one.
Bronzor@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Do you want psychopass? Cause this is how you get psychopass.