What console sells for 400 bucks?
PC Master Race
Submitted 2 weeks ago by MTZ@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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IWW4@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
paultimate14@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’ll get you… The lowest storage tier Series S. Or a Nintendo Switch OLED. Yay.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This meme is from like 2014
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
PS5 (discless edition) did until the USD took an almighty shit.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Switch 1.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The consoles are “cheap” because the controllers, games, and subscription services are expensive.
It’s far, far, far cheaper to game on a PC in the long run. You can buy a pc capable of playing many games for as little as $300 (gmtek or similar micro pc sporting high performance amd cpu). If you want better graphics, you plug a gpu into that for $260 or so (Radeon 9060).
Steam is crazy cheap. Multiple sales a year, and if you don’t like a game you can get a full refund. Free AAA games every week as well from GOG, Epic, and rarely but surely, also Steam.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ll second this, actually. I used to hate on PC gaming for around a decade or so because it always seemed to prohibitively expensive to me compared to a console. But after building my very first PC with used parts off ebay for around 300-400€ in total, I think, I can confirm that it works really well overall.
Most of the games I’ve played so far perform really well, some even play on highest settings (and that’s with just a 1080 ti), and it’s a PC, so multitasking, office work, homework and whatnot are all possible. Running the OS off an SSD makes loading times in games comparatively fast to the PS5’s SSD, sometimes even faster.
And I haven’t spent a single Euro on games because of a plethora of 🏴☠️ options, which is possible on console depending on the console, but ultimately hinges on jailbreaking your console and voiding a potential warranty.
Overall, I’m very pleased with my PC experience right now. Ever since building the PC, I haven’t played on console, and that’s coming from someone who was playing on console pretty much exclusively since around 2017
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, Yes, this is true! (I say after spending multiple thousands on a gaming PC where this is absolutely not true).
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My Xbox and PlayStation both came with a full normal controller, and console games are constantly on sale. I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to get at here.
The point of the submission is that PC dumbfucks don’t know how to compare apples to apples. Console gaming is objectively superior due to the benefits of things like warranty, consistency, drivers, software, etc.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Software and driver issues like clicking update? Waiting for a reboot?
The same one year warranty that your PC has?
drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
A controller is like 20 bucks. My PC can play the vast majority of games ever made out of the box, for free if I’m willing to commit some crimes
smoker@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Ah yes, all the benefits of having the privilege to pay $10 a month to play online, only have enough storage space for like 5 games with no expansion options, barred access to the vast majority of games, and limited options for voice chat and input devices.
But I guess if you’re like 12 and all you play is 2k/madden/fifa/maybe COD and your parents are paying for it then it’s probably fine.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Over 7 years, you’d have to pay $560 to play online on a PS5, assuming they don’t increase the price again. The cheapest PS5, without the disc drive (which is a bad decision if you like cheap games), costs $500.
You can easily build a PC more powerful than a PS5 for $1060.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Over those 7 years, you get 252 free games for the PS5. Meaning the average value of those games has to be like 2.2 for the subscription to pay for itself
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re not free, you had to pay to access them. The 252 are useless unless you play them and not just a half-dozen titles you like.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
some $2k beats a console and you get more games, cheaper price, and can do whatever you want with it
so if you’re already getting a computer, it just makes sense
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
This argument made more sense 20 years ago. Now there’s a lot more people who just don’t need a desktop.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
idk about that. I have both and I still prefer using the desktop at home because I can get a much nicer performance out of it than connecting an external display to the laptop. Even for ordinary things like watching a YT video it makes a difference.
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The real reason I’m better than the console plebs is that I still play multiplayer on twenty-year-old games.
BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I just played CS 1.5 with my colleagues during a break. That shit just never gets old.
Ad4mWayn3@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
So old school of you to play 1.5 instead of 1.6
Cruel@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
When 1.6 came out I was stubborn and refused to install Steam which was needed for it. But I eventually did and it eventually grew on me even though recoil and everything is a bit different. Still using my 22 year old steam account.
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but I can use my PC for other things as well (I’m only using my PC for gaming)
TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I have editing stuff on my pc. Music, art, video.
But since i got my steam deck i realize how much i only used the pc for games.Eventually im going to Linux the thing. But I’m dreading the time sink that’ll be.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
$400 plus a subscription for the privilege of playing online + some amount of money for a computer anyway
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I gave up on PC gaming years ago. Turns out sitting on a coach and being 10’ ft away from a screen is way easier on my body and my eyes than being hunched over a desk 1’ away from a monitor.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Have you used a PC since 1993? There have been new developments.
SirHery@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dam is this a copy pasta? 😅
sobchak@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You can plug a PC into a TV and even use Xbox and PS controllers if you like. Can have the PC auto start Steam in Big Screen mode so you’d seldom need to use a mouse+KB (trackballs or keyboards with trackpads are best in this scenario). Nothing wrong with console gaming though (well, besides supporting all the non-free software, locked-down systems, and shit companies; but most games you likely play are these as well).
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Guys, you don’t have to downvote someone because they have an experience that happens to be many standard deviations away from the mean. This is what consoles are for. Nintendo still shines for people like this :)
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You must have given up not years, but decades ago.
RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
You actually had to edit files? Outside of me breaking things first (yay mods) I’ve only had to edit 1 file ever, and that was mass effect 1 on an old and laptop that was uhh… not suitable for the task given to it.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No one but the once in a blue moon whales are spending 15,000 on a rig. The average rig I build for people is under 1,000 and the setups I see online are usually near there too.
socsa@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I have a dual 5090 threadripper rig with 192 GB of RAM and it cost $10k. To get to $15k you’d have to actually be trying to waste money.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even On Falcon Northwests website I could only get the bill to 10,000 while I was trying to waste money and they are one of the most overpriced pc builders I know of.
RedFrank24@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Where are you living where you can get a good console for $400?
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
2002
Datz@szmer.info 2 weeks ago
Secondhand PS5? I’m planning to get a used Switch 2 and some come for that price, and so seems the PS5.
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BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
thats how much i paid for a ps5
underscores@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
guys, it’s rage bait, you don’t have to defend a strawman
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When did “trolling” turn into “rage baiting?”
underscores@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think trolling and troll logic is absurdist and humorous where as rage bait is all about engagement farming by inducing negative emotions
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My gaming PC is also a digital audio workstation, a photo editing platform, a video editing platform, a home theatre PC, and a platform for spreadsheets and financial planning.
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Good, but nowadays the gap is more $800/$3000.
My console from 2020 runs games about the same as PC hardware from 2018. If you built a 2018 spec PC today it would beat the Xbox Series X and PS5, but unlike the consoles, PC components have reduced in price.
Which means the gap with available hardware and matched SSD size would be $650 to $900
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let’s compare a 6 year price without games.
PC gaming
800 gaming PC 200 mid cycle update to GPU 3-5 years in
PS5
500 non-gaming PC because your ps5 isn’t a useful alternative 500 ps5 650 ps5 pro 4 years in 720 for PlayStation online basic at 10 per month
1000 vs 2370
Laughing at console gamers spending more than the cost of a basic computer on the privilege of using it online via your own internet which you also pay for
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
PS5
500 non-gaming PC
Come on, dude. Firstly, you can get a non-gaming PC for under $200 easy. Hell, if you know where to look, you can get it for free.
500 ps5 650 ps5 pro 4 years in
Why not just… not upgrade the PS5? Save yourself $650. If you want to “balance” things, the PC guy can save $200 on their own upgrade.
Wait for the PS6, which will be out in '27/'28 and just enjoy the OG console that was released in '20 for the life of the platform.
Like, this is obviously not an apple to apple comparison. And that’s spotting you a generous $800 PC build out of the gate. You’re simply not building a PS5 quality rig in 2020 for $800.
720 for PlayStation online basic at 10 per month
Do I get to charge the PC owner the release price of every PSO title released for free? Because that’s going to come out far higher than $720 over six years.
Are you playing any MMOs on that PC? Should we be charging you the base rate for those as well?
I’m not even a PS5 guy. I tapped out at 4 and game on my PC happily. But I’m not going to pretend console gamers are doing 3x my spend just because it’s possible to do so.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Only a tiny minority of PC gamers pay monthly for anything.
You can’t upgrade the PS5, and the sale price of your 5-year-old unit is like $100.
Free games aren’t included in the 10 per month.
The cost of 18 per month to also have old games costs 1300 over 6 years.
The PC you can get for $200 will be awful to use or die within 3 years or both. It will be ridiculous to repair, so you will buy another 200 special hating the shit you bought both times.
Basically at the root a PC and a console are both good for about 6 years but the 700-1300 you pay for online is going to dwarf the buy up from acceptable PC to gaming PC+ hardware.
Cheap PC are the value option expensive pc are the quality option.
Consoles are kind of in between.
Ad4mWayn3@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Reading this gave me a headache
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Would you like a meme with 8 or less characters and a 2nd grade reading level to calm you down?
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
500 non-gaming PC because your ps5 isn’t a useful alternative
That’s kind of a non-argument. I know a lot of people with desktop gaming PCs who also have a laptop (for school, uni, whatever). The people I know who only play games on console usually don’t have a desktop, they only have a laptop that’s not suitable for gaming. I also know a lot of people who play games on console and PC and therefore have both, plus usually a laptop. And then I also know a lot of people who don’t have ps+/xbox-whatever because they don’t play online games.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think its a non-argument. If we are talking about PC gaming as a budget option the fact that you CAN have JUST a singular device isn’t obviated by the fact that some people have a separate general purpose PC any more than it is because some people still a $5000 GPU on a $15000 device.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
What are you updating the GPU to for $200? A 1060?
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most recently I got a nice radeon 6600 with 8GB VRAM for 100 I guess.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I was into the PCMR sub back when you could build a machine that ran better than the current console generation for the same price as the two main consoles. And it’s not like consoles perform so above and beyond a PC that there’s little difference; the PC hardware just exploded in price so it costs so much more to make something that runs as good or better than a PS5.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s possible to build a competent gaming manchine if you’re ok with 1080p. A ten year old card still runs 1080p perfectly fine.
I have a Ryzen 5500 on a radeon 550. It plays mostly everything at 720 to 1080. It’ll do lite 4k but it does what it needs to do.
I bought a Acer nitro with a 3050 in it for my teenager. 🤷 It’s perfectly fine. She plays mostly counter strike anyway.
I play a bunch of indie stuff and remasters… Unless you want 60fps in cyberpunk in 4k ultra ray tracing… You can get into a pretty decent build for well under 1k.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
My VR rig built just before the first COVID lockdowns is already capable of keeping up with the PS5 in performance mode; but it was also about $900 mostly from the GPU (a 1660 Super becsuse the 2070 Cyberpunk Edition card was sold out).
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s only part of the story. Consoles have many benefits, like warranty, consistency, drivers, software, etc. I built some reasonable budget gaming machines back then, but I still bought consoles and still do to this day because of their superiority.
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Divide by 10 and yeah.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
For $800 I think you can get a laptop that is more powerful than consoles, with similar GPU power, but you also get all the benefits of PC gaming.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 2 weeks ago
Than*
TurboToad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why do people keep reposting this shit?
Which console costs 400$?
Which reasonably price optimized PC costs 15k$?
Yes PCs are more expensive than consoles, but they also hold more value, are more versatile and have lower costs for the Games themselves.
To each their own, we’re alle gamers.
Shamber@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are we still on this exhausted argument? What’s next Apple or Samsung? People need to chill, just do you, enjoy your gaming experience on whatever you like
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ve never been happy with the performance of my gaming PC for the cost, always seems like it should perform better, but the real reason I don’t buy consoles is because I want to be able to upgrade my hardware but still play my old games.
Hazzard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Honestly, the strongest advantage of PC, if you don’t mind a little tinkering, is modding. I’ve modded on console before, and it’s usually a pretty difficult process, and limited, compared to PC. The thing I find a little silly, is I did build the super expensive PC, and most of what I play would totally run on a console if they were open platforms.
But seriously, Celeste: Strawberry Jam was probably my favourite game of last year. I’m looking so forward to the release of the Fusion Collab, likely in the next year.
I’ve been playing Archipelagos with friends over the past couple months with Hollow Knight and Nine Sols, and they’ve been a blast.
Emulation is also wild, tons of games I’ve enjoyed in the past, playable again with incredible mod support, I’m looking very forward to playing Kaze’s Return to Yoshi’s Island when it releases, and had a blast with the Majora’s Mask Recomp earlier this year.
And steam sales are ridiculous, a lot of these games are much cheaper much more regularly on PC.
If I’d spent say, 500$ on this PC, it would be very easy to save that amount in the price of games, and how many fewer games you’d need to fill your time with all these options, in just a couple years, assuming you play regularly.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m certain you can build a $15K USD computer, I bet Linus Tech Tips does it regularly, but idk who tf is doing that when an nVidia 3090Ti is only $1080 and is ranked #23 on PassMark.
mlg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
$400 console
The only thing that qualifies is an Xbox series S, even Switch 2 is $450 lmao.
Even funnier when you consider “PC” consoles like Steam Deck or Legion which gives you a even wider access to games, including exclusives thanks to emulation.
Hell Sony and Microsoft gave up on the console exclusive system because PC & Steam demonstrated the expanded market is worth the tradeoff when your console hardware is basically a computer.
That didn’t used to be the case even up to the PS4 when the hardware was still targeted for games like high VRAM, but that’s no longer the case.
It gets even better with Switch emulation because it was a glorified Android tablet that was already outdated on arrival, meaning you can play Switch games even on your phone thanks to ARM instruction pass-through techniques.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
I understand this is a joke, but 15k? Wtf. I think you meant server, not PC
Thorry@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
That’s a lot of words to say you are jealous
Nicopf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Me cycling between Minecraft and Isaac on my 10 Year Old PC that was outdated when I bought it and my baby games on the switch: 😎 (My take is, PC gaming as shit because confusing and expensive parts and console gaming is shit because companys ripping consumers off)
Daxelman@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The only people who care about shit like this are the people who don’t play video games.
A lot of you don’t play video games.
Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Don’t need to buy a new console every few years.
When getting to slow can upgrade single components. Cost/performance is basically on par with consoles at the moment.
Completely ignores the fact that consoles are a type of computer and the gaming companies can not sell console + games at +/-0 or they’ll gi out of business.The fuck you on about?
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They will be the same people who say, “I only spent a little bit more than a console, but look how much better it is. What’s the point of a console anymore?”
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I miss the days when $500 could build a “console killer”
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
These days its like 1500. But you still get all the advantages like being able to do whatever you want with it like using productive software to actually do work.
missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
You will also most likely still make that difference back over the cycle of one console generation through better game deals and no subscription fees for online play.
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is nowhere near 1500.
More like 800.
For a nice PC that will last you a while 1100 (for like a 9600 + 9060XT)
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That was a brief period when consoles were way over priced for the components they had.
poVoq@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
That period repeats every 3-5 years approximatly towards the end of a generation but before the new generation is announced.
paultimate14@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah it’s the GPU market. Cryptocurrency briefly exploded and now AI is sucking up all of the GPU manufacturing capacity. Back in 2019 I got my RX580 for $175. The AMD 9070 that released this year is a tier down from that and had an MSRP of $550, but an actual price more like $650. The sweet spot of value PC building has shifted from $750 to $1,500 in just a few years. Some of that is just general inflation that affects all parts, but roughly half of that increase is just from the GPU.
It’s impacting consoles too. Consoles uses to get cheaper over time, with both price drops to existing models and new, cheaper models being released (Sony’s Slim models, things like the Wii Family Edition and Wii Mini, the DSLite, etc). Looking at this generation… The original PS5 with a disc drive debuted at $500 in 2020. The “Slim” version also debuted at $500, and just got a price increase to $550. They released a PS5 Pro at $700, and just increased it to $750.
Nintendo is doing it too. The Switch was $300 for its entire life, and now that the Switch 2 is out consumers would typically expect a price cut to move the existing stock. Instead, Nintendo raised the price to $330. The OLED model went from $350 to $400, and the Lite went from $200 to $230.
And of course Microsoft is in on it too. It’s more complicated to write up since they have different storage variants of the Series S|X, but for example a Series S 512GB was $300 at launch (For some reason I remember seeing them for $250, but maybe that was a Black Friday sale or something). Now it’s $400!
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I recall it being a period of at least 10 years. A prior generation GPU would run about $150-200. The CPU/Mobo was the most expensive part
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I miss the days when $500 were enough to buy a console.
poVoq@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
You still easily can with second hand components.
Steve@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
Thanks etherium
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but all those people buying wonky 2GB “PS4 equivalent” GPUs ended up pretty quiet when games later in the generation started using more and more VRAM.
The PS4 CPU was a joke, but it could use a lot of textures.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It really depends on whether you want the newest games with 128k graphics. I game on a 5 year old Thinkpad* and a first gen switch and am happy about it.
*granted, it was refurbished and still like 2700€, but the same laptop would be cheaper today
rafoix@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Wasn’t that just around the second half of the PS360 generation and the PS4 era until crypto blew up?
PCs were always pretty expensive since my childhood in the 1980s.
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I want to say late 2000’s to early 2010’s was when my friends and I all built our own PCs for about $500.