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• cerevant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It is a wedge issue that has locked a portion of the population who are single issue voters into being Republicans despite literally all their other beliefs. That is basically what all the non-financial planks of the Republican platform have on common.

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  • NewNewAccount@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t know anybody that votes republican because of their abortion stance that doesn’t also agree with the rest of the party’s policies.

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    • Enigma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My mom was one. Didn’t realize until I was older, and long after she died. But yeah, she only voted Republican because she was anti abortion. She had an abortion and suffered from unintended side effects and didn’t want other women to experience the same. I get where she was coming from, but she definitely had the wrong idea with banning abortion.

      Oddly enough, it was a comment on Reddit that opened my eyes to everything. Something along the lines of “Dems don’t want women to have abortions. But we’d like the choice if need be.”

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    • anonono@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      they may be smart enough to avoid telling you they are voting republican.

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    • rusticus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t know anybody that WILL ADMIT THEY vote republican because of their abortion stance that doesn’t also agree with the rest of the party’s policies.

      FTFY

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    • dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t live in the US, but from a foreign perspective, it seems like pretty much everything is heavily divided depending on political alignment - and increasingly so. From my perspective, it seems like there are basically no politically neutral news outlets or types of social media, and even locations seem to lean heavily towards a specific political direction. So it seems obvious that people are spoon fed into a specific alignment. Consuming news of an opposing view or communicating with anyone with opposing views just seems unnatural in those environments. So to me, it seems like political views is commonly a huge package deal.

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    • cerevant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is fairly common among Catholics. I’ve known some fairly progressive Catholics who are Republicans because abortion. Now, that isn’t to say that a good number haven’t bought into the divisive rhetoric and gone full maga, but that’s not where they started.

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    • summerbistrorealness@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I know several. Very supportive of LGBTQ causes, conservationist, by all accounts would be considered “woke” by the ilk. But anti-abortion so they voted for Trump.

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  • BromSwolligans@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If Lemmy had awards this succinct answer would get a pile of them.

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• Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The thing to understand is that anti-choice legislature has nothing to do with “children”.

  It is about control and the ongoing efforts to make Gilead a reality. For women, pregnancy is a massive commitment that has long standing job, financial, and health implications. And the “threat” of pregnancy leads to a lot of chuds who find excuses to prevent women from taking leadership roles.

  And same for controlling the populace as a whole. Shit happens and condoms aren’t 100% (assuming you were even taught they exist). And unexpected/unwanted pregnancies can lead to keeping the lower class low and so forth. Girlfriend is pregnant? Better be a man and drop out of school so you can get a job. I hear the military is hiring…

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  • That_One_Demon@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would argue it goes even one step further. Unwanted children are put into a system that is underfunded (because of republicans) or raised by families that don’t have the funds, ability, or desire to give them a good upbringing. This leads to them largely being poor and uneducated. This creates more adults that republicans want. Poor, ignorant, and in jail, or poor, ignorant, and voting republican.

    Not to say that every unwanted baby ends up this way. My mother was adopted and now at 50 has an amazing relationship with both the parents that raised her and the mother that gave birth to her. But the system as a whole is designed for these children to fail.

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    • kool_newt@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, this is simply labor force management, gotta produce the next generation of wage slaves.

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  • mookulator@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah here’s a take that resonates with my cynicism about Republican politicians. They literally see it as a way to get more numbers in the long run because they know it disproportionally affects poor people (ei forces them to have more kids) and they know they can get those people to vote for them through other manipulation.

    Seems like a pretty long con though right? The same cynicism tells me these politicians just care about short term wins.

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    • otter@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Interestingly, Democrats have historically had an advantage in the lower income brackets over Republicans. There’s a tipping point for the ultra wealthy to swing back to Democrat. This article is a bit older, but it’s useful to predate Trump and a bit of the weirdness that has brought with party lines (although my brief search says it still tends to be this way). The wedge issue is much more likely the point of policies like this to get the single issue voters support.

      npr.org/…/how-income-divides-democrats-republican…

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  • zaph@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Girlfriend is pregnant? Better be a man and drop out of school so you can get a job. I hear the military is hiring…

    I feel personally attacked.

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• Clown_Tempura@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Remember; It’s never been about protecting children. It’s about controlling and punishing women.

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  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m convinced its a “vast conspiracy.” to provide cheap american labor. Here me out. I know, it sounds crazy.

    1. apposed to abortion, easy access to contraceptives, etc

    2. cut funding for social support (welfare, snap, etc),

    3. cut funding for education.

    4. actively push for policies that decrease social mobility and increase income inequality

    5. weaken unions

    6. push stupid, petty laws (“Law and Order”, “tough on crime”)

    7. leads to an increase in unplanned pregnancies and more kids than people would have chosen to have; this puts economic stress on that family and helps to ensure that the children remain at or fall below their parent’s economic standing. 2) and 3) reduce the chances that those children will become college educated. meaning they remain low-skill workers staffing places like amazon, uber, or working retail 4) keeps inflation going forcing people to continue working until they die. 5) keeps people from organizing and getting better compensation, or even just a safer place to work.

    and my favorite. 6) ensures that all the desperate people created by 1-5 who step one toe out of line wind up in for-profit prisons where they’re used as a slave-labor force as the cheapest possible labor in the US.

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    • Lakija@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      www.newyorker.com/…/child-labor-is-on-the-rise

      Apparently child-labor is on the rise. More kids, more money to make in their cheap exploitative labor. 14 states have proposed or enacted laws rolling back child labor age restrictions.

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    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If that’s the case, the conspirators are incredibly stupid.

      It’s way easier to get cheap labor by simply loosening immigration laws.

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    • Leviathan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I believe that you’re spot on. “Unskilled” labor and prison slaves is what they’re after.

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  • nul9o9@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Controlling women is a happy coincidence.

    It’s a topic to get us pissed off at each other, and get single issue voters in the booth. After getting rid of abortion, they started getting people pissed off about trans rights.

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• SharkEatingBreakfast@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  From “Untamed” by Glennon Doyle

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  • quaddo@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Downloaded for future reference, thanks

    OT, but I die a little inside when I see some writing in a book. I’m sure in this case it was probably a student wanting to highlight, but still.

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    • ShinyRatFace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My grandmother highlighted portions of text and left notes in the margins of some of her favorite books. She died when I was in my very early 20s. Middle aged me loves going through some of her favorite books and connecting with her (long dead) over bits of prose she thought were especially beautiful and reading her notes in the margins.

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• demlet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Republicans increasingly rely on the most extreme voting base for energy. It works mostly because we only have two viable parties and even the less extreme Republicans think the extreme right is the lesser of two evils. How many Republicans do you suppose will wring their hands in 2024 but vote for MAGA candidates and Trump anyway? Almost all, even if they say otherwise. We know preference falsification is a thing now. People will just lie if they’re too embarrassed to admit what they’re doing.

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• ForgetReddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The anti-choice crowd isn’t the type you’re seeing on the internet. At most they have Facebook, but really a lot of them are piping Fox News into their eyeballs 11 hours a day.

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  • solstice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My extended family watches Fox News so much the logo is literally burned into the TV even when it is turned off. It’s deeply disturbing.

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  • mookulator@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not basing my statement about American sentiment on what I see on the internet though! The pools and votes seem to support abortion access.

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  • Clent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They are definitely on Facebook.

    I seek them out in their political groups. They are as batshit crazy as you might imagine.

    Their echo chambers are full of double think.

    Their lack of logical reasoning is unquestioned.

    These people stick their noses up at foxnews.

    Those are the surface level crazies. It goes so much deeper.

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• Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  For decades, the Republican party has had the Baptist/Evangelical vote in the bag without having to actually do anything thanks to abortion. Republican politicians could rile up their base attacking abortion and be excused for not doing anything about it by their constituents as abortion was a constitutional right, and because abortion was a constitutional right that couldn’t be taken away, those who cared about it could still be in good conscience when they vote for a Republican. The dog caught its tail when Roe was overturned, and now that abortion can be outlawed on every level of government, Republican inaction on abortion will see their support among Baptists/Evangelicals tank. Overturning Roe is the most self damaging thing the Republican party has ever done, and now they are forced to choose between catering to religious fanatics or normal people

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  • Narauko@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It was super shocking to find the Republicans actually knocking the third leg out of their wedge issues stool. All they really have is gun rights now, as the regular culture war stuff isn’t nearly as powerful as abortion was. It’s going to be very interesting to see what happens in the next 2 election cycles, but so help me if the Democrats manage to get back control of all 3 and STILL don’t codify abortion rights, gay marriage rights, interracial marriage, etc so they can capitalize on these suddenly stronger wedge issues. Again. So God damned pissed off at the Obama admin still because of that. Also the lack of federal legalization/decriminalization. And this is from a pro 2A former classical libertarian who wants the government shrunk by replacing all of the bloated agencies and welfare programs with a simple and solid universal healthcare system and true UBI, funded with a aimple tax code with no loopholes that incorporates something of a Georgist land tax.

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    • TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is why there is so much focus now on stripping rights from trans and other LGBTQ+ people. They needed some other rallying cry around “saving the children.” And it also helps create a group of others for their fascistic instincts.

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• eran_morad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The goal is to subjugate as many people as possible and exploit them as much as possible. Better to keep people poor and parasitize them.

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  • Rac3r4Life@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, pretty much.

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  • Archpawn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or, and I admit I’m just spitballing here, maybe they consider fetuses to be people just like they say, and all the women who are pro-choice don’t just feel like they need to be oppressed?

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    • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sure the rubes do

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    • eran_morad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      lol. is that why they’re always paying for their mistresses abortions?

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• JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is because Republicans do not believe in majority rule or governance by democracy. It is expressly a fascist party and desires a dictatorship by minority rule. Republican policies always lose at the polls.

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• Cylusthevirus@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Republican electoral fortunes rely on the Evangelical Christian vote. Without them, they lose most of the time. But in the 70s, some Republican strategist realized they could use them to win, so this happened. It's a worthwhile read.

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  • jballs@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This type of stuff is mine blowing to me. I have a neighbor who claims to be a single-issue voter for abortion. She uses it to hand wave away terrible shit that Republicans do, and then says “yeah but they’re protecting the babies.”

    I think she honestly feels like being anti-abortion is a core part of her identity. To hear that the whole anti-abortion platform was basically invented to excuse racism and avoid paying taxes is kind of mind blowing. Like, that’s a deeply held belief of hers that she probably thinks about every day and loses sleep over. Crazy how that shit works.

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• YeeterOfWorlds@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Republicans are in a pretty difficult spot.

  A sizable chunk of Republican voters are adamantly against abortion, viewing it as murder and thus are unwilling to compromise on it. These people often support other Republican policies, but for many abortion is the ultimate issue. Some of them even oppose many Republican policies (I know a bunch of catholicis. Plenty of anticapitalist Catholics who support better social programs, vote Republican because of abortion. This demographic is why Louisiana gets some anti-abortion Democrats in office.)

  To gain moderate voters, they have to alienate the very motivated anti-abortion voters. Alienating a sizable chunk of your voter base many of whom are reliable voters who vote in all elections, to gain new moderate voters, is a risky move.

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  • Stumblinbear@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It genuinely concerns me how many people in the comment section here are calling them sexist rather than knowing that the only reason they support it is because they firmly believe it’s murder

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    • Narauko@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s easier to dehumanize and homogenize the opposition than view them as people with real convictions. It happens on both sides, and it’s getting worse and worse as the polarization increases. Driven by the media and the 24 hour news cycle, capitalized on by the DNC and RNC, and keeping everyone fighting amongst ourselves instead of looking too closely at the accelerating wealth gap and banding together by class to restore healthy and competitive capitalism.

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• HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The Republican Party is a party of single issue voters that are willing to ignore other issues. Abortion is a major single issue for a large voting block.

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  • soviettaters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same with Democrats tbh. There are many, many people who would vote for a moderate Republican if not for abortion.

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  • ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have family who openly admit they’re single issue voters. Nothing but abortion matters. Any other Republican policy they happen to agree with is just a bonus. I guarantee they would switch to voting Dem if magically the two parties switched sides on abortion.

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    • HardlightCereal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m a single issue voter too. Nothing but climate action matters. I’m trans and trans rights are super important, but not if we’re all dead.

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• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Some of them actually believe that abortion is equivalent to murder.

  Say you lived in a place where honor killings were normal, or where female genital mutilation was just how things were done. Imagine you didn’t share those beliefs. Would you stop fighting just because your point of view was strange and uncommon in that community?

  I’m not saying that every Republican is like that. Many of the leaders are happy to manipulate the others. But, many evangelicals and catholics have been going to church every Sunday for their entire lives. They’ve been indoctrinated in the belief that abortion truly is murder.

  If you refuse to believe or accept that, you’re going to have a lot of trouble understanding why they act a certain way.

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  • vonbaronhans@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    While this is true, I’ll add that a huge swathe of the same people are huge hypocrites. All it takes is one of their own children to be inconveniently pregnant, and then it’s all “rules for thee but not for me”.

    I don’t think it’s possible to know the proportion of evangelicals who are hypocrites in this way with confidence, but if you look for examples you’ll find plenty. The most recent one I saw was a BYU student who was paid 500 bucks to prank called his mother and say he got a prostitute pregnant (for the filmer’s tiktok or whatever), and after a couple exasperated questions, the mother told him to make the fictional prostitute get an abortion.

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  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not saying that every Republican is like that. Many of the leaders are happy to manipulate the others. But, many evangelicals and catholics have been going to church every Sunday for their entire lives. They’ve been indoctrinated in the belief that abortion truly is murder.

    then they’re all heretics for going against their own scriptures. the bible canonically condones (and even contains instructions for) abortion. Further, scripture-based doctrine says life begins at the first breath, therefore abortion cannot be murder. no where in the scripture is abortion actually banned.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      then they’re all heretics for going against their own scriptures

      Religion is a living thing. Nobody ever follows the religious books exactly, and there is always tons of room for interpretation. They’ll always tell everyone that their interpretation is the only true one, but a neighbouring community will have a slightly different interpretation and swear that theirs is the only true interpretation.

      The key thing is what they believe. In many cases, they believe that abortion is murder (or at least very close to murder). They also manage to justify the things they’re doing at the southern border. Most likely the only person who can convince them that their interpretation is wrong is someone who shares their religious beliefs, or at least knows them intimately.

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• theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s very simple. There are all sorts of long term rationalizations tossed around, like future tax revenue or making more disadvantaged people who are more likely to vote Republican.

  It’s a whole lot simpler than all that though.

  It’s a distraction.

  Think about it this way - do they seem like they give the slightest shit about the long-term? Minimum, this would take a decade before it does much for them.

  But by fighting over this issue, which will have a profoundly terrible effect on a lot of people, we don’t talk much about how inequality skyrocketed during COVID. We don’t talk about ranked choice voting, we don’t talk about UBI, we don’t talk about the fact the Internet is being locked down or talk about how we could reform the system to be better.

  They fight over issues like this, and they’re free to do whatever they want economically. And sure, it’s a popular idea for the rich - a pregnancy through delivery costs like 12-20k, it makes you less able to change jobs or move, it makes you consume stuff you would never have needed otherwise, and a population decline is going to make all of your profit projections fall in the long term. I’m sure it brings in donations

  At it’s core, it’s because it’s making careers for a certain type of politician and a blank check on every other issue for sitting congressmen

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• aceshigh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They believe in traditional values - patriarchy and religion. Can’t have a patriarchy if women get to choose whether or not they have a family. Also, they want to punish the women for having sex.

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  • GatoB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think instead of assuming it would be better asking someone that believes it

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    • mosiacmango@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why are you assuming hes assuming?

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• Woozy@dmv.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Republicans are a dog that loves to chase cars. They finally caught one and now they are getting dragged under its wheels.

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• fresh@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Americans support a lot of things they don’t vote for. Most Americans want universal healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, more government services, etc. But many famously “vote against their interests”. Abortion is turning out to be the surprising exception.

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• Pinkletits@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I haven’t seen this mentioned yet but the most extreme members of each party, the activists, are largely who chooses who ends up on the ballot because they are the groups motivated to vote in the Primaries. Republican primary voters mostly believe abortion should be illegal so if a candidate wants to be on the ticket in the general election then that is the group they have to win over. This puts the Republicans in a tough position in 2024 since their position on abortion is so out of step with the majority of the country, especially independents who will likely be the deciding votes on who gets the office.

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  • Liz@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeap. That’s why we have to switch to any number of alternative voting and representation systems that elect more reasonable candidates. No primary, five member legislative districts with Approval Voting would be a choice, but there are others (you’d actually use a proportional variant).

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• balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Anti-choice republicans are single-issue voters, pro-choice republicans aren’t

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  • madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    These single issue voter are just a whole different level of stupid… The whole abortion issue was just made up by religious leaders to herd more of the credulous into voting as a unit.

    Jesus never said fuck all about abortion and in the Bible God provides instructions in how to perform an abortion…

    These people are just beyond stupid… It’s like advanced, 3D, 360, no scope, stupid.

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    • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah but that’s not the argument anymore. It used to be the argument, but some Big Brain™ propagandist realized you could just make the argument about “murdering babies” and then you automatically win because there is no arguing the other side.

      When the argument is “murdering babies is bad” vs “murdering babies is ok” there’s no acceptable response other than “murdering babies is bad.” So they get the easy argument and we have to explain nuance about abortions.

      Once nuance is needed to defend your stance you’ve lost the general public, not because you are wrong, but because complex arguments are just more difficult to win with when the opposite stance is so “obviously” correct, “murder bad.”

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• TwoGems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because it empowers their voting base to turn out. To me that’s the most basic answer. So they enact policies that hurt others (something their voting base for some reason enjoys) and that gives them a higher chance of being elected.

  Though, this sometimes backfires with it pissing the younger crowd off.

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  • lgstarn@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    they enact policies that hurt others (something their voting base for some reason enjoys)

    Let's just say it - they enjoy hurting others because they are cruel if not downright evil. I'm not being dramatic here, that's just by definition. Intentional cruelty has no place in government and they need to be stopped again and again and again like they were last night. To prevent being targeted by sport for thebentertainment of these cruel fucks, vote in every single election you can - they certainly will.

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    • mookulator@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ll say I don’t buy this argument, though that’s just my opinion. I don’t think these politicians care one way or another what happens to people as long as they get more power. I find it far fetched to say they’re seeming power so that they can be cruel.

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• flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because a big part of their voting base are busy body Christian evangelicals who think what Facebook tells them the Bible says is how they should vote. And the Republicans, as you pointed out, want to win so they will do whatever makes that large voting block happy.

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• fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Mainly a “culture war” issue that the Republicans would like to flog as long as possible.

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• Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because Republicans are evil power hungry women/minority/poor hating assholes. They’ve spent the past 30 years maneuvering into their un-earned and over representative power by focusing on election cycles no one pays attention to which has enabled them to gerrymander their way to assured victory in numerous states. Simultaneously, they’ve been stacking all levels of the federal judiciary with political lackeys and eroding the funding and regulatory power of the administrative state wherever possible to then say “See? Look! government just doesn’t work! That’s why you gotta vote for me because I’m an outsider!” All while they line their pockets with bribes and misbegotten federal/state funds.

  Meanwhile Democrats have spent the past 30 years voting lock and step with republicans to make everything marginally worse than it used to be so they can say “See? Look! We try to reach across the aisle which is somehow what our liberal base wants—cooperation with fascists!” In some misguided attempt to capture the elusive “independent” voters.

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  • deftdrummer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      who exactly do you mean by “you guys” ?

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• mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They are quite literally fascist, and that’s not an opinion. Their political views involve a lot around suppressing democracy as much as they can, then spreading propaganda.

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• kool_newt@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Republicans are not trying to be representatives of the people of Ohio. They are trying to rulers.

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• donut4ever@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Easy. It’s all about religion. Not that Republican politicians care about religion, their voters do. So, politicians do what their religious voters want. Banning abortion is one of them.

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• wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am a republican. It’s because they’re stupid.

  It’s obvious the majority want access to abortion. It’s their job to make sure the people get what they want.

  I’m pro choice. I feel most the arguments against abortion are religious in nature. As such it’s a false argument. Not everyone shares your religion.

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  • TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I feel most the arguments against abortion are religious in nature.

    Cue the religious person who will astroturf and say, “Well I’m an atheist and I think abortion is wrong because scientifically it’s a human life and should have the same rights as other human life.”

    Bullshit, they had their position already and invented a road to it. They got there because of their literal interpretation of the poetic, “Surely I was sinful from birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me” and others, and also a misunderstanding of the story of Onan (which also explains their misplaced hatred of masturbation).

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    • mister_monster@monero.town ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Believe it or not, there actually are some of us that don’t believe in god and think abortion is wrong. Actually, I hate religious arguments against abortion, they muddy the water and aren’t necessary.

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    • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ll admit I support some restrictions. Otherwise it’ll never pass. I just don’t think your “generic your” religion should be forced on me. Roe vs wade was bad law and looking to be overturned. I get that. I’m most disappointed in congress not acting and how quickly the republicans went nuts on abortion.

      Polls and just talking to people show people want access to abortion. Kansas which is very red even said they want access to abortion.

      While I want republicans to win. I won’t vote republican until they change their stance. I find their stance extreme and I am not an extreme person. I strongly believe it’s your body and your choice.

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• Ducks@ducks.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The reason they are able to do this comes down to gerrymandering.

  pbs.org/…/abortion-ruling-puts-spotlight-on-gerry…

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  • mookulator@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Granted, but that doesn’t really answer the question. I’m asking why they’re so insistent on doing it, not how they’re maintaining power despite being unpopular.

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    • Ducks@ducks.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The article touches briefly on it, essentially even though a minority wants these terrible policies, that minority are the GOP base and are generally single issue voters and religious. That minority has an outsized say due to gerrymandering. And there is also a feedback loop in this country where the GOP gerrymanders, they cut education and other social services, blame the “enemy” for the downturn in QOL for their constituents, and repeat. It solidifies the us vs them mentality that has these people voting against their own interests.

      Obviously super simplified outlook on it since it is a very complex issue. Other people in the thread have explained better.

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• Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s a few reasons. From a substack I wrote a while back:

  A 2014 study analyzed the data of more than 7400 people and found that “perceptions of preborn humanness explained very little of right–left differences in abortion support, and the association between preborn humanness perceptions and abortion opposition was no stronger for those on the political right (vs. left).”4

  By contrast, a 2017 study found that sexism accounted for 30% to 70% of the left-right difference in abortion stance even after controlling for other relevant variables.5 An earlier study found that authoritarianism had a significant correlation with an anti-abortion position and aggression towards women,6 and a 2019 study found that right-wing authoritarianism had a significant correlation with anti-abortion stigma both before and after controlling for other variables.7

  A Pew poll also found that 33% of Americans simultaneously believe that a fetus is a person with rights and that the decision to abort should be up to the woman, so the idea that life begins at conception explains only some of the difference in abortion opinion, with it mostly being determined by factors such as sexism, religiosity and sex. It should go without saying that Republican politicians are mostly conservative religious men, and there’s far less diversity of demographics and opinions among them compared to their constituents.

  In that same poll they also found that while a significant chunk of Republicans believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases, a majority (60%) still believed that abortion should stay illegal in most or all cases. So Republican politicians may also believe that this is still a winning issue for them in the culture war (although the “red wave” that never was may suggest otherwise).

  The GOP also gets a lot of donations from anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion religious groups, so they are undoubtedly motivated to please said donators to keep the money coming, even at the expense of their voters.

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