The only advantage Android has over iOS is being able to install [any] software.
Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration
Submitted 2 weeks ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to technology@lemmy.world
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LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
dan1101@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s one of the big ones. Also phones with SD card slots and headphone jacks.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Those barely exist. When I bought my Sony 5V, it was because it was like 1 of 2 or 3 new high end models that still had both the jack and an sd card slot.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
*had Fuck google and every piece of shit implementing this for them.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Just about. There used to be more, but if im honest, if it works in iOS then its a decent experience most of the time.
But my custom apps makes or breaks my phone. Its so convenient.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
iOS is infinitely more polished than Android. It’s rather stable and at least the main notification system isn’t that bad for privacy.
BitingChaos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was able to set custom APN settings on my Pixel to bypass the tethering block that MetroPCS puts on their cheapest plan.
There is nothing in iOS that lets you do that.
I also can’t run WiFi scanners on iOS.
And Android will still have ADB sideloading. On iOS I have to run shit like Sideloadly to re-sign applications every 7 days.
If you’re a true Android fan, there is still a lot to keep you on the platform.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Literally all of this is being able to run whatever software you want
Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I hope google fails as a whole in the near future and gets dissolved once and for all. Sick and tired of tech companies trying to be sources of authority, working with authoritarian governments, and dictating what you can and can’t do.
architect@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
I’ll be honest, tech got us by the balls… and they know it.
medem@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
No they don’t. There are viable, open source alternatives for 99% of the software/services we use. The fact that people are not aware of it is already like half of the real problem.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t imagine that paradigm going away at all anytime soon or ever
Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I have hope. Last time they got hit with an anti monopoly lawsuit that should’ve forced them to sell away chrome, but unfortunately they got bailed out. Here’s hoping next time they aren’t so lucky
ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
this seems to be going the shittitest direction it could…fuck Google
ps: loving the apple simps coming out to claim iPhones aren’t perfect just because you can’t “sideload” lool
desmosthenes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
fuck google for spyware google play services and severe integration of them into android thiugh ^^
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
loving the apple simps coming out to claim iPhones aren’t perfect just because you can’t “sideload” lool
Confused ape noises
NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They literally have to be more shitty to make money. Side loading allows individuals to choose not to give their money and data to Google. Companies must grow year over year. It doesn’t matter if the growth is unnecessary, imaginary line must go up. So remove standard features and then charge a premium for that feature to return, or cut pay/benefits/hours, or layoffs. Those are what’s left for our corporations to grow. No new ideas. Just shit.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We really need some money poured into the Linux mobile space because this is a terrible direction to go.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
dug my pinephone out of a drawer yesterday and gave it a whirl. still pretty rough unfortunately even after updating postmarket os.
Cool being able to SSH into my phone though
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m still hoping they can get to a state for more general users. I really want one still. I need a Linux phone doing the old sidekick designs.
Dojan@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Cool being able to SSH into my phone though
I thought you could do that on Android?
aquovie@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
Plain AOSP is already pretty brutal. An alternate OS is practically a non-starter. Phones aren’t just web browsers and SMS.
- Tap-to-pay
- Including transit fares
- Bank apps
- RCS messaging
- MFA and security apps
- Work profiles
- Streaming media that’s not 480p
Not to mention that the camera is going to suuuuuuuuck.
Forking or improving AOSP is more viable but none of the more mainstream ROMs want to piss off Google. That’s why most LineageOS forums forbid talking about defeating Play Integrity.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also no GPU driver, because even if the manufacturer does actually provide it, some nerd within the community will block it for not being “free software” enough and that “for light 2D applications, CPU blitter is more than enough”.
- Tap-to-pay
themurphy@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Google hit by EU lawsuit in 3… 2… 1…
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
EU wants to read all your online communications so, no, they will not be saving you from this. This furthers that goal
themurphy@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Luckily it’s not the same body in the EU who’s in charge of enforcing and setting up proposals.
The EU is not a “one opinion” government body.
sleen@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Big gov and big corp are essentially the same thing. And while the people jump ship to be at the mercy of the “better side”, the elites are sharing a cocktail in secret.
The scale still remains, however one side tilted more so than the other.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
how convenient, GOOGLE wants all your data too.
Zak@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is basically the same as Apple’s notarization scheme for direct app installation on iOS in the EU. I do not believe the EU has sued Apple over that yet, and they’ve had plenty of time to do so.
themurphy@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
They usually sue if the practice doesnt stop for over a year. They do send warnings before anything official comes out FYI.
But I dont know if they want to do anything though. No one but them and Apple knows for sure.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The law EU created looks like it has a loophole which allows manufacturer to prescreen side loaded apps (like what? What’s the point of sideloading then?) it is what Apple exploited and Google is going the same direction.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A few months ago? Yeah, I’d be with you. Today? It’s the wet dream of the current EU leads. Closed devices, where they can run spyware without risk of it being hindered by custom OS with proper permissions and process separations? So good. For them.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is forced by EU regulations. I doubt Google would have introduced this on its own. If they wanted to do this, then why wait until forced?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
i love how google will basically destroy the worlds most popular mobile operating system just to protect youtube premium revenue
mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
thats my theory too.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
this is exactly why google should have been broken up.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Honestly at this point they actually likely need to be EVEN MORE strict to deal with how bad the app store is and how many scam apps are floating around.
My grand father has been given like 30 scam apks to install via email that we’re just crypto ransomware basically, and he’s had to reformat his phone at least 10 times this year from installing scam shit from the playstore it self too.
Both the playstore AND scammers are target android like crazy
There’s basically no way to crack down on it short of what they are doing and frankly it’s still not enough.
Anyone who thinks this is just Google being evil is massive fucking out of touch with the reality of what elderly and less it savvy people have to deal with. It fucking SUCKS.
GaryGhost@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They should just display more warning’s or safeguards, they don’t have to remove it completely. There’s several apps that I use that google would never let register. :(
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So now 3rd party app stores need an ADB loopback to work around that.
Not hard to do, but uselessly annoying.
Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Installing the third party stores would be way harder than it is right now if they do that though. No way the devs of e.g. f-droid are getting a verification on an app that bypasses Google’s new ‘safety measures’
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I could imagine something like Sidequest happening on Android.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s only if the apps distributed are unverified. Mind, the EU already requires app stores to document the identities of devs, but there are loopholes for Small enterprises. In 2027, manufacturers need to document the identities of their suppliers. There are still exceptions for non-profit open source projects, but that’s not what Google is. Surely, no one here wants Google to avoid regulations by investing in open source.
aquovie@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
I believe F-Droid signs the packages it distributes so that creates a painful choke point. Revoke F-Droid’s key and it will break all of F-Droid instantaneously. The only exception for F-Droid’s signing is if the build is reproducible, which is a high bar for a lot of projects, and then F-Droid will use the upstream signature.
Also, they’re trying to close the ADB loophole.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think you can already do that with shizuku and dome fdroid clients. It also makes using 3rd party appstores more convenient just in general.
excral@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Is this even legal in the EU. The majority of phones in the EU are Android phones so this effectively gives Google control over what apps can be installed to the majority of phones. I thought the Digital Markets Act was designed to prevent exactly this.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Google will become the exact same as apple, third party stores are technically “allowed”, but requires Google’s official stamp (digital signature), it’s same with Apple.
A corporation like Epic Games will be left alone since they can afford lawyers. An open source volunteer dev making a Youtube alternative client will get their certificates revoked under dubious “ToS Violation” claims and they won’t have money to sue.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’ll be a battle and then they’ll get knocked and so on and so forth until we get these lazy cunts out of politics and break up the fuckin tech companies.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I think some recent EU proposals that make Google responsible for ensuring users can’t install malicious apps is what have caused this to happen though. I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing about that.
lengau@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
This is essentially Google moving to do what I always thought was Apple’s malicious compliance on the DMA, but which European courts seem to have accepted as just fine. I’m pretty miffed at Google for sinking to Apple’s level on this.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i bailed on android to join my family on ios, and i hate it. now i cant even go back comfortably. so… linux phones?
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’m not sure why you did that. android still gives you more freedom and is still better
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
For now, yes. But time is running out and of course Apple is no solution. Only fools would go to apple now.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Also: Torrent clients are available on Google Play (for now, at least), Apple never allowed them.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Free market and openness my ass.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Can someone “redpilled by corporate” explain me how this policy actually increase security?
It’s trivial for a malware developer to pay $25 with a stolen card and a stolen id
Look at the “verified” bots on xitter, they didn’t solve the bots problem, rather just monetized it
twinklefruit@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
I wish I could tie whoever made this decision to a radiator and face judgement.
kokesh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So… Will the ADB let me do this? reVanced specially, YouTube is completely unwatchable otherwise.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
And their flagship costs more than the iPhone 17 Pro but has performance closer to the iPhone 11 and they still sell your data off the back end.
Android was a fine alternative to iOS for a minute… like in 2012 with the Galaxy S3 and Jellybean. Now? I don’t get it. You pay more, you get less, all because — what? Gmail was once cool?
They took your headphone jack. They took your memory card slot. They took your back button. (Anyone remember the menu button?) Now they’re taking sideloading.
What is even the point of Android? It isn’t freedom. I see it as capitulation to Big Data.
boogiebored@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Get fucked
m33@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Hold up, why all this crap… when most of the malware/infostealer is on Google Playstore… and googling itself is doing it. So what exactly security it is?
snoons@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
ThIs ApPLicAtIoN iS DaNgErOuS
csolisr@hub.azkware.net 2 weeks ago
Sensitive Content
Calling it already, one of the most popular apps around will be a wrapper around ADB in order to install new apps - maybe Shizuku or Sui?Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
So I guess I'm going to have to learn to use ADB.
melfie@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
I normally use ADB anyway, but wouldn’t surprise me if that becomes more locked down as well. For example, I believe Meta Quest requires a developer account with a credit card attached to even put it in developer mode, and I worry that kind of bullshit will become the norm.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Ok, fuck this crap. This was the main reason to prefer Android over iOS. Going to start trying out some of the FOSS Android forks
VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
We need better Mobile Linux / Android distros
goatinspace@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
screenshot of official announcement with suspiciously low upvotes
Found the 91 Google employees
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Man, I miss my jailbroken iPhone 5.
It was like having your cake and eating it, and somehow its stock (much less tweaked) UI is less clunky than whatever TF Apple has done to my discount 16.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I was about to switch to android but ended up with another iPhone because of Google killing the only reasons to use android.
I like my air but I’m still waiting for what I really want. A viable Linux phone.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What did you expect? Did you think we were living in a fairy tale and could build a better world?
Matth78@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Hope they would be sued in America and Europe for it. I can’t believe it will be OK… And can’t believe they clearly think it will be.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Google can go fuck itself.
Hopefully this will put some jet fuel into the Linux phone development.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I’m checking out Graphene OS next week and pretty pumped about it. This Google ratfucking has been just the push I need to get off Android.
And obviously I haven’t stopped telling people around me haha
ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most F-Droid users are NOT custom ROMs.
This means that as long as F-Droid does not get their own developer key - it will become useless. F-Droid is privacy focused - both dev and user, and they oppose requiring devs to essentially give up their privacy and sign the APK with their own dev key.
Now, if F-Droid is dead, GrapheneOS becomes useless. Who would want to develop apps for the 0.0001% of the population (i.e custom ROM users)
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Graphene is bult on top of android AOSP, which is owned by google… And of course they are fucking it over.
Check calyxos.org s recent blog posts, it is basically dying (and graphene is the same)
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
You are of course aware that Graphene OS is affected just like any other version of Android?
Mihies@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Get off Android to … Android 🤪
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Google would much rather go fuck you.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
they need thier AI to profit somehow, mining all your data to offeset the cost of those data centers.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I’ll switch to absolutely anything that allows open installation of third party apps.
Prathas@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
But for such major FOSS development, we usually have to throw money at them in advance, which is the problem.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
i wonder if it’s possible for fdroid or another app to make a linux/windows/osx app which basically uses an adb connection to automatically upload and install applications
railwhale@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Shizuku provides this fully on-device for android 10 or 11 and above, and droid-ify supports using shizuku to install apps.
The one main downside is that it only works when you’re connected to wifi.