i bailed on android to join my family on ios, and i hate it. now i cant even go back comfortably. so… linux phones?
Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration
Submitted 6 hours ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to technology@lemmy.world
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BroBot9000@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Google can go fuck itself.
Hopefully this will put some jet fuel into the Linux phone development.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 hours ago
I’m checking out Graphene OS next week and pretty pumped about it. This Google ratfucking has been just the push I need to get off Android.
And obviously I haven’t stopped telling people around me haha
ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Most F-Droid users are NOT custom ROMs.
This means that as long as F-Droid does not get their own developer key - it will become useless. F-Droid is privacy focused - both dev and user, and they oppose requiring devs to essentially give up their privacy and sign the APK with their own dev key.Now, if F-Droid is dead, GrapheneOS becomes useless. Who would want to develop apps for the 0.0001% of the population (i.e custom ROM users)
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 hours ago
You are of course aware that Graphene OS is affected just like any other version of Android?
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Graphene is bult on top of android AOSP, which is owned by google… And of course they are fucking it over.
Check calyxos.org s recent blog posts, it is basically dying (and graphene is the same)
Mihies@programming.dev 4 hours ago
Get off Android to … Android 🤪
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 hour ago
Google can go fuck itself.
Google would much rather go fuck you.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
The only advantage Android has over iOS is being able to install [any] software.
dan1101@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
That’s one of the big ones. Also phones with SD card slots and headphone jacks.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
*had Fuck google and every piece of shit implementing this for them.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 3 hours ago
Just about. There used to be more, but if im honest, if it works in iOS then its a decent experience most of the time.
But my custom apps makes or breaks my phone. Its so convenient.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
iOS is infinitely more polished than Android. It’s rather stable and at least the main notification system isn’t that bad for privacy.
Eagle0110@lemmy.world 27 minutes ago
Thankfully I have root, I’ll just simply hook into it runtime via Xposed to bypass this nonsense.
Seriously anyone who doesn’t have root on their Android devices these days and age, well may Google have mercy on you lol
undrwater@lemmy.world 2 minutes ago
Are you certain you’ll be able to do this? Do you have more info?
goatinspace@feddit.org 1 hour ago
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
And their flagship costs more than the iPhone 17 Pro but has performance closer to the iPhone 11 and they still sell your data off the back end.
Android was a fine alternative to iOS for a minute… like in 2012 with the Galaxy S3 and Jellybean. Now? I don’t get it. You pay more, you get less, all because — what? Gmail was once cool?
They took your headphone jack. They took your memory card slot. They took your back button. (Anyone remember the menu button?) Now they’re taking sideloading.
What is even the point of Android? It isn’t freedom. I see it as capitulation to Big Data.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Imo, the Android experience is far better than iOS. I have no love for either Google or Apple, but I would rather use a slower older Android phone over any iPhone.
PhAzE@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
And all those things were “taken” because they followed apple’s lead who took all those things first. Losing sideload capability is yet another fallow the leader act they’re doing to be like apple.
As for more expensive, disagree there. That’s only the case if you go with high end sansung phones, but you can get android phones for much cheaper with still decent hardware, and it (currently) can do all the things apple does. You cant buy a cheaper apple 17 then the 2 models they give you. Also the hardware differences are so minor between Samsung and Apple, its laughable to call one “better” so your ppst really comes off like a fanboy talking about something you dont understand.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 1 hour ago
So I guess I'm going to have to learn to use ADB.
themurphy@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
Google hit by EU lawsuit in 3… 2… 1…
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
EU wants to read all your online communications so, no, they will not be saving you from this. This furthers that goal
themurphy@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
Luckily it’s not the same body in the EU who’s in charge of enforcing and setting up proposals.
The EU is not a “one opinion” government body.
sleen@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Big gov and big corp are essentially the same thing. And while the people jump ship to be at the mercy of the “better side”, the elites are sharing a cocktail in secret.
The scale still remains, however one side tilted more so than the other.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 54 minutes ago
A few months ago? Yeah, I’d be with you. Today? It’s the wet dream of the current EU leads. Closed devices, where they can run spyware without risk of it being hindered by custom OS with proper permissions and process separations? So good. For them.
Zak@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
This is basically the same as Apple’s notarization scheme for direct app installation on iOS in the EU. I do not believe the EU has sued Apple over that yet, and they’ve had plenty of time to do so.
themurphy@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
They usually sue if the practice doesnt stop for over a year. They do send warnings before anything official comes out FYI.
But I dont know if they want to do anything though. No one but them and Apple knows for sure.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
The law EU created looks like it has a loophole which allows manufacturer to prescreen side loaded apps (like what? What’s the point of sideloading then?) it is what Apple exploited and Google is going the same direction.
melfie@lemy.lol 3 hours ago
I normally use ADB anyway, but wouldn’t surprise me if that becomes more locked down as well. For example, I believe Meta Quest requires a developer account with a credit card attached to even put it in developer mode, and I worry that kind of bullshit will become the norm.
Mistic@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
You don’t need a credit card for a dev account. You do, however, need to have a “business” attached. Luckily, that business they’re asking for doesn’t need to be verified, so it can be just a random string of letters.
Still bs that you have to go through all of that just to install apps you want.
m33@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
kokesh@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
So… Will the ADB let me do this? reVanced specially, YouTube is completely unwatchable otherwise.
PhAzE@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
I suspect this is designed to block revanced entirely. It won’t be able to install the apk it compiles or downloads, so apps won’t be able to update even if you have it installed via adb to begin with.
radix@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I haven’t used revanced in a while, but Fennic + ubo + sponsor block should get you to basically the same place unless they’ve added new features since I used it last.
No separate app required.
frongt@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
That’s what it sounds like.
Mika@piefed.ca 4 hours ago
Shizuku + Obtainium might still be an option.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I wouldn’t count on it. I’m 100% expecting them to follow up on this in another updates, blocking devices from wirelessly debugging themselves for “security” reasons.
crumpted@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
All APKs will need a valid Google developer signature.
Doesn’t matter if it’s installed from GitHub or F-Droid, no signature, no installation.
crumpted@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
All APKs will require a signed developer certificate.
I doubt they will be signing keys for developers who circumvent Google’s services, or that violate their ToS.
They’re copying this scheme from Apple in Europe, when it was forced to allow other app stores.
In that case, Apple revoked certificates for apps it didn’t like, such as P2P/torrents. Mind you, these were NOT apps that were not hosted on Apple’s App Store.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
But ADB bypasses it.
(for now, at least)
ravachol@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
How does this affect termux? Is it going to die or is it only going to be able to have packages that are from registered developers?
tal@olio.cafe 3 hours ago
That’s actually a really interesting question.
I understand that Apple takes issue with packages that can themselves “take packages”. But historically, I don’t believe that Google has. Of course, Google also hasn’t done the registration thing historically, either.
c5e3@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
but directly installing apks on the phone should still be possible then, right… riiiight?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
wireless debugging, you can connect the phone to itself via a wifi network, then send adb commands to itself. loopholes lol
ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
this seems to be going the shittitest direction it could…fuck Google
ps: loving the apple simps coming out to claim iPhones aren’t perfect just because you can’t “sideload” lool