I’m shocked. Walt Disney himself would be totally ashamed. I’m sure he would be. /s
Disney sells us imaginary heroes while supporting real world villains.
Submitted 6 months ago by deddit@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
confluence@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The one who wrote Owl House (which got canceled by Disney because of LGBTQ themes) just released a pilot for her new show, a critique of what Disney has become
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Who are they supporting this time
moseschrute@lemmy.world 6 months ago
#deep
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I can totally imagine the avengers debating for years “well no we still don’t have enough proof of genocide, the best action is inaction” while immediately go to raze an Iranian city after an unfounded rumor of a WMD
Zink@programming.dev 6 months ago
That is way too believable.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Wasn’t that kind of the plot of Civil War?
Rakonat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Disney absolutely who the antagonist represented in the winter soldier
Corelli_III@midwest.social 6 months ago
Star Wars Andor is specifically there to steam-valve liberals and socialists
not doing anything fans downvote this post 👍
m3t00@lemmy.world 6 months ago
after micky mouse they went downhill. didn’t like the mm club as a kid.
ronigami@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Maybe that’s why all their stories suck, completely unfounded in reality
Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 months ago
thinking of all the movies where good triumphs over evil
You’re right. Evil usually wins IRL.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I mean… Yeah? It has never been any different.
NerdyKeith@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They’ve been like that for a very long time.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Basically ever mainstream media is “We can’t kill the villain”
opens history book
LMAO
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 6 months ago
This is why I loved the scene in F is for Family when Frank responds to the ‘be the bigger and better person and let go’ by straight up punching and knocking his abusive elderly dad after meeting up with him instead of burying the trauma further.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People are looking for a left wing Rogan. But I think we have that with guys like Bur
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
ameancow@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Okay but that scene wasn’t Andor, that was Mandalorian.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They treat us like the naive children we behave like.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Grace Kelly said something similar years ago: “Hollywood amuses me. Holier-than-thou for the public and unholier-than-the-devil in reality.”. We have all known this for decades. The sleazy hollywood rapist was a thing long before Harvey was outed. They all knew, and yet they all kept their mouths shut.
This is why its always been so perplexing to me that so much of society looks to hollywood for its morality lessons.
utopiah@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Check
Teaching with Disney edited by Julie C. Garlen and Jennifer A. Sandlin, 2016 (including but not limited to “Teaching Disney Critically in the Age of Perpetual Consumption”)
and
The Mouse that Roared, Disney and the End of Innocence by Henry A. Giroux and Grace Pollock, 2010
but the Tl;DR is that their only definition of “heroes” is whatever might sell anything and aligned with the ideology of a “founder” that arguably didn’t draw the mouse itself.
mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Someone post the astronaut meme
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
🌎 👨🚀 🔫 👩🚀
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Wakanda is a monarchist enthnostate that tortures outsiders and even shows outright hostility to those helping them. Their leadership is determined by the most violent among them. And this society is presented a utopia.
I fucking hate these movies.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I have never understood the appeal of marvel universe movies. It just always came across as bad world building.
The whole reason super heroes with secret identities works is they are unique, and not a fundamental change to society.
Having a world that’s basically the same, with truck loads of super heroes makes no sense at all.
I have seen only a handful of these movies.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I tried watching the animated show recently, and its basically Wakanda throughout history stealing vibranium from other civilisations because they feel entitled to complete control over the element, usually with large amounts of colateral damage and theft of deeply important cultural artifacts in the process. I assume there’s some alegory I’m missing but they just come off as assholes.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Are they bad guys in that?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The country is threatened by a villainous black liberation agitator and saved with the help of the CIA.
They might as well have had Abdel Fattah El-Sisi play the lead role.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 6 months ago
Don’t need to jump all the way to Wakanda. Thanos is an eco terrorist. Ultron is a peace activist. Magneto is patterned after Malcolm X.
The Marvel universe is the story of how a billionaire arms dealer and the US military save the world from deranged leftists. Disney heroes always fight for the status quo and the villains want to make things better (but also they’re written to be crazy and violent).
Walt Disney was a major force behind the Red Scare in Hollywood, turning in his own animators for unionizing, and they’ve been terrible ever since.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
TBH their “heroes” are pretty fascist too. Princes, princesses, etc. It’s a total shitshow in terms of class.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And the ones who are not are almost all solders and cops. With two exceptions that I can think of, Spiderman who might as well be rich do to his friendships and connections and antman who they treated like shit.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 months ago
Well the funny part is that most of the “heroes” they sell are not really heroes, just defenders of a status quo america that never really existed
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
See also: “Marvel Defenders of The Status Quo” (2022-06-22) by Pop Culture Detective.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Zemo did nothing wrong.
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Zemo literally caused trillions of sentient beings all around the universe to get erased out of existence by fragmenting the Avengers.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
#corporatelife
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
It reminds me of a meme I recently saw of a preacher in front of a bunch of Indians, and he says “Before we came, you worshipped the SUN!”
And one of the Indians says “Dude, the sun is real.”
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Yeah well, my god is invisible!”
“Dude, you can’t look at ours or you’ll burn your eyes out.”
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
He has a point. It’s ironic that the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.
Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.
But Christianity is normal and not crazy at all, and believing in Ra is the crazy thing… Sure. Yeah.
I think it’s all nuts. But whatever.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
The only piece of evidence we have for a lot of things is a book written by humans
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.
Evangelism typically involves more than just a book. There’s inevitably some amount of mysticism - faith healing, weather events that turn the tide of a pitched battle, communing with the dead, miraculous survival stories, straight up stage magic.
Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.
There’s inevitably some kind of reverse causation in these faiths. Humans are constantly asserting they can manipulate the heavens with ritual and sacrifice.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Why did you do it stan?
“The money, of couse.”
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Duh, that’s a point.
dan1101@lemmy.world 6 months ago
But Disney has also been tearing down the imaginary heroes with movies like Captain America Civil War and The Last Jedi.
limer@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
I have been thinking the superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves. And their popularity was helped by a growing authoritarian movement in the USA.
The actual comics do not have many of the above issues, the movies reinforced certain themes.
I say this as someone who likes the comic books
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I pissed off a lot of, supposedly left leaning, comic book fans when I told them I thought Tony Stark had a good point that the super heroes in the MCU needed to be regulated. They were doing too much investigating and acting on their own without any oversight to not make people nervous. Same with Justice League Unlimited.
At least with Superman(2025), the hero’s intervention in world affairs was just a scaled up Bystander Effect.
limer@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
I was thinking something else, like
The Boys Showrunner, Eric Kripke, says the superhero ultimately exists to protect the status quo, to keep things as they are or once were during more nostalgic times, while the supervillain seeks change. A superhero is pro-establishment, working to uphold the system, and viewers can be trained to believe some exceptional being will fix everything.
The earlier superhero movies made in the USA helped support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there were strategies and meetings to deliberately do just that.
I think the later Marvel movies drifted away from typecasting the villains and made the plots less American centric. But it did not loose the parallels to the popular movies in Germany made in the late 30’s.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah it’s not great the way supers tend to validate vigilantism. Ultimately you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny. There are middle grounds, but those are the options. Also the hero’s journey literary paradigm has regressive aspects. 🤓
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
“Rule of Law” is itself a form of tyranny. It is nothing more than the dictates of a hierarchical authority trying to assert its control over others. It is a fundamentally oppressive system that can and has repeatedly throughout history been used to facilitate the oppression of marginalized peoples.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves.
you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny
Yeah like that one!
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I like the comic where Batman beats up a racist cop
coffee_nutcase207@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Someone should make a parody of that. Like Disney makes a superhero called “Free School Lunch Man” while funding candidates who are against that idea.
Hector@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Not for long, soon Disney heroes will be exposing the all-powerful wokestate and overthrowing it.
The woke State stopping supply-side economics that leads to Prosperity obviously.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
supply-side economics that leads to Prosperity
That sounds too fiction even for comic books
0ops@piefed.zip 6 months ago
You know, that line makes me think they’re just trolling. There’s no way they’re serious
0ops@piefed.zip 6 months ago
Lol you can’t just go around making up words
Hector@lemmy.world 6 months ago
First of all I absolutely can and do makeup words as I see fit. What you can’t? That must be embarrassing for you. Second, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 6 months ago
It’s not just Disney… I’m pretty sure all these 1st world nations do the same. We’ve been used and manipulated and suckered into complacency from their offerings.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
you can’t have heros without villains