cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37265606
They allow you to enroll in extended updates so you can get more time to upgrade 🤣
Microsoft still can't convince folks to upgrade to Windows 11
Submitted 2 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://htxt.co.za/2025/09/microsoft-still-cant-convince-folks-to-upgrade-to-windows-11/
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Chivera@lemmy.world 1 month ago
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
Switched to PopOS on my desktop and Mint on the ancient laptop my gf had laying around. No real complaints. Games run fine. Browser runs fine. I had some trouble getting mint installed on the old laptop, but the internet had a solution.
I think the install process is kind of daunting for many users, but once it’s going I think the average user won’t have any problems. Windows, by contrast, is kind of aggressive with its “GOING TO UPDATE NOW” and “don’t you want to use one drive???”
gera@feddit.nu 2 months ago
I just can’t be fucked. I have win10 on my laptop that I boot once a month to run some windows programs but other then that I don’t care about it. The only reason I see myself upgrading is to maybe know how to help my relatives with their windows 11 problems.
pishadoot@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Depending on what you’re running on it or how you connect it to the Internet or your home network, you’re going to be at more and more risk as time goes on.
What’s the harm in upgrading now, especially if you barely ever use it?
I hate win 11 and there’s a lot of downsides to running it, but they’re going to quickly become a minor issue when compared to the risks of running an unpatched OS that is that huge of a target for exploits. Just trust me on that, the risks are going to get more and more real because attackers KNOW there’s a huuuuge number of businesses and consumers that just won’t upgrade and they’re frothing at the mouth to take advantage of the next few years of opportunity.
There’s a version of Windows 10 called LTSC (long term servicing channel) that will continue to receive patches, just no new features, that you can stay on for probably the length of time you’ll have that laptop. Since you barely use the laptop it’s probably perfect for you. You can easily find out how to obtain and activate it for free, securely, with a simple search - I won’t link to it here. One of my servers is running it because it’s old hardware and runs software that requires windows. It’s a really good option for people that don’t want to or don’t have hardware that supports 11, but want something secure and functional.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The best solution to your relative’s Win11 problems is a Linux live boot disc. ;)
JTskulk@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Bro they couldn’t convince me to upgrade to Windows 8.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
This happens every time there’s a new windows version
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 1 month ago
Part of it is just resistance to change, but the hardware restrictions and AI encroachment are legitimate impediments in this case.
bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I sidestepped the win11 artificial requirements, and things are great.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The only reason I got a Win11 computer at work is that the new box came with Win11 preinstalled.
Most work is still done on an aging Win7 box and my Linux laptop.
RawDog@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I mean, who wants to buy a brand-new computer to be able to run Windows 11 anyway? Besides,most folks aren’t tech-savvy or care enough to go through the hoops just to install this dumpster fire of an OS.
Gearheart@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have win 11. I only use it as a steam game machine and sometimes vr games.
If I’m ever required to reformat I’ll probably try IoT Enterprise LTSC. Unsure how video game friendly the version is though.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 month ago
IoT Enterprise works just fine. That said, I still don’t trust Microsoft - it still insists on forced updates and reboots, and likely AI, down the line.
I am figuring on switching to SteamOS Desktop, once that is released.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Just go SteamOS or Bazzite. Make shit easy on yourself.
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
IIRC vr is still a bit of a mess on Linux.
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 1 month ago
IOT Enterprise LTSC fully works for running Windows games. It just doesn’t have a lot of the bloatware. I’ve tried it and I’m dual booting with Arch.
If it is just meant as a steam machine, I recommend looking at Nobara for Nvidia GPU and Bazzite for AMD GPU. I will admit that I haven’t tested vr games yet.
Personally, I’m maining Arch and it plays most games in HDR at 4k 120Hz. My Windows is so I have access to Microsoft Office.
Gearheart@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Thanks. I’ll do some research on bazzite.
lustyargonian@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Curious: do the webapps of Office not suffice?
restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
What bothers me is that I’m getting all this “upgrade to windows 11” crap from other companies, like my antivirus. I get that eset reason to tell me about possible security risks to my computer, but I’d prefer if they give me options for addressing it that don’t involve dealing with a new OS, especially the win 11 dumpster fire.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hot take here, but I think both Linux and Windows suck. I’m just picking the poison most suited to my needs on each computer
blinfabian@feddit.nl 2 months ago
then get a mac or bsd?
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I can’t wait for what comes first. The claudication and predictable extended support or the wave of malware paralyzing half the world over unsecured devices.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I think the latter is more likely. The former will only occur once MS is compelled by something that will force them into support mode, like a government or a lawsuit.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh I thought Windows was discontinued after Vista failed miserably.
At least I haven’t used it since then, and it’s completely irrelevant to me.
Why others keep using it IDK, must be some kind of masochist tendencies.palordrolap@fedia.io 2 months ago
I thought Win2K was peak Windows, but I begrudgingly got comfortable with XP (using the classic Windows theme) then Win 7 after they ironed most of Vista's kinks out.
Been on Linux since then.
But it would be unfair to say that masochist tendencies aren't a requirement to be a Linux system owner.
All systems require some level of that. It's just Linux has been rushing towards "less masochism" and Windows even quicker towards "more", and we find ourselves at that sweet spot where they've the same level of requirement.
Frankly, I'd prefer this sweet spot to be more towards "less", so I'm hoping Linux continues its trend.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Linux as my main since 2005, I dual booted for a couple of years to play games, because gaming on Linux was too limited.
Now gaming on Linux is amazing IMO. But yes every system requires some level of masochism, I guess we could call Windows the OS of choice for the more advanced masochists. 😋
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yea, people don’t use windows these days anymore, they just use iOS and Android.
Seriously, no joke, my parents have never actually used a computer. They just have a glorified pocket social media machine basically.
Victoriathecompact@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
tried to upgrade, it knocked me back to w10 and broke my sound driver
Damaskox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m still on win10. Planning on hopping over this one Linux-based operating system for gaming specifically (can’t remember its name) once the updates for Win10 run dry. I’ve heard so much bad stuff about 11 that I’m going to try again with Linux (years ago I jumped in Ubuntu since a friend recommended it but I needed to jump back because games didn’t work well).
Burninator05@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I ran POP-OS for about six months a couple of years ago and ended up switching back to Windows because there were too many compromises. Recently I tried it again with the same problems but jumped to Bazzite instead. It fixed most of my issues but I didn’t like the limitations imposed by the guardrails it put in place to make things easy. I then switched to Fedora since that is Bazitte’s base and haven’t looked back. The only issue I’ve had is the video drivers didnt install right automatically but the fix was three well documented commands.
ksigley@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Debian, I believe.
MadameBisaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Bazzite and nobara are the two I think. I am using Bazzite and am quite happy. Good luck
Damaskox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes, it was Bazzite 😊 It was recommended by a friend.
generic_computers@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
My gaming computer runs Windows 11. I honestly couldn’t tell you the difference between Windows 10 and 11.
RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I have windows 11 because it came with a new pc. The damn thing crashed so much it reminded me of bad windows from the old days. Don’t get it YET if you don’t have to.
Pringles@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Windows vista. Shudders
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 month ago
I have zero faith anyone on here will have anything nice to say about Win 11. But it is fine, no issues here and never have had any. Here in the UK it is Windows in the workplace or windows, so pointless for me to try and support clients without a Win 10 and a Win 11 box. Win 7 has been gone for years for most. It is also Office everywhere in the workplace too, nothing else gets a look in, with some businesses having a smattering of non Microsoft products. The reality is that plenty of people will happily drop a grand on a new phone but only want to spend like £200 on a business laptop they have to work on, because, well it is only work innit. So many people refusing to spend money on work computing needs and would rather watch the laptop slowly grinding its way through things because they can then blame THEIR poor output on a shit computer
kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 month ago
only want to spend like £200 on a business laptop they have to work on, because, well it is only work innit
Sorry I’m confused, what UK workplace requires people to use a laptop but expects them to buy it with their own cash? O.o
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 1 month ago
Not sure why you’re downvoted as you are mostly correct.
I’m a linux user myself but i work for an msp so i manage corporate windows machines, and they mostly work just fine. But i must admit, when i take over a screen and i see the constant nagging to use a microsoft account, or onedrive, or copilot (granted, when you use Microsoft for corporate use you really have no choice but to use a microsoft account) It does make me glad i use Linux.
And our devices are almost always over $1000 so not exactly cheap machines either :)
agelord@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Windows 11 blue screens on my desktop on the very first boot right after installation.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Microsoft’s new OS has never been a concern of mine. I still have a windows XP, Vista, and windows 7 PC’s. They all work fine but zero security updates of course. You don’t need to upgrade your OS and most people will simply just keep windows 10 instead up buying a new computer.
I’m just going to setup dual boot with linux since i have some modding and custom software that only works on windows.
melfie@lemy.lol 1 month ago
I use Linux for almost everything, but I do have some important software that only works on Windows, so my solution is dual booting Windows 10 with a different static IP than the Linux partition, with the Windows IP blocked from the internet in the firewall.
maplebar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Speaking of which… What’s the least invasive way of installing Windows 11?
My main desktop has a Linux and Windows 10 dual-boot setup, but I was thinking about switching to something like Windows To Go when Windows 10 hits EOL, only to find that WTG is no longer supported. I’ve heard that it’s still possible to make a bootable Windows 11 USB using Rufus, but that it’s somehow finicky or buggy…
I’m not sure if using a VM is a viable option for me, as I would probably need GPU passthrough and I really only have space for a single GPU in my current case (that would be used by my Linux host).
Am I stuck dual-booting?
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 month ago
ASTER
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
they will try to force it for people that isnt saavy enough to use another OS,.
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
[deleted]LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
VR issues put me off and honestly Win10 20H2 was cancerous enough frankly, 1903/1703 was as much as I could tolerate the endless bugs, design issues, fundamental flaws, it’s a house of cards that utterly collapses under the weight of ads and general enshittification.
You say Linux is complex but idk, it’s pretty intuitive for basic use to setup and install, it’s just customizable so people make it a hobby, and as it’s fully open source, people who are into computers like to learn how it works, because unlike windows, they can do so with some certainty.
On Windows the sheer amount of software it takes to make the beast keep back is unreal, OldNewExplorer, ClassicShell/OpenShell/StartAllBack++ ($$$), RetroBar, WinAeroTweaker, Windhawk, SecureUxThemePatcher, DWMBlurGlass, Microsoft-Activation-Scripts/KMSLiteAuto, SystemInformer/ProcessHacker2, BootICE, HackBGRT etc etc.
The list goes on, with you having to subject yourself to GPO Editing to disable updates, and the horrors of Powershell syntax (yuck! Scripting languages shouldn’t be a shell! Shell languages shouldn’t have an object oriented tumor!) if you’re a power user or a good friend to someone who isn’t and you want to go in there and Get-AppxPackage | Select yada yada to uninstall the assorted Microsoft PUPs, Adware and other malware that comes pre-installed like Edge, Cortana and the new gippity Cortana (whatever it’s called), “The Xbox app” whatever that means with its horrid overlay it puts over directx apps like some sort of necromanced GFWL etc.
In other words
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Linux, as an alternative, is insane. Just setting up the OS itself is another fucking hobby.
Great OS, too bad most people aren’t savvy enough to tweak minor settings.
zrst@lemmy.cif.su 2 months ago
Dunning-kruger effect on full display right here.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Only Microsoft wants to upgrade. A product without a market in a monopoly is capitalism end game.