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Microsoft no longer permits local Windows 10 accounts if you want Consumer Extended Security Updates — support beyond EOL requires a Microsoft Account link-up even if you pay $30

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tonytins@pawb.social⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-no-longer-permits-local-windows-10-accounts-if-you-want-consumer-extended-security-updates-support-beyond-eol-requires-a-microsoft-account-link-up-even-if-you-pay-usd30

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Now is the time to spread your wings and try linux as a replacement for windows!

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    • logicbomb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve occasionally tried using Linux in the past as my main desktop, because I think Windows as an OS is inferior, and lately because Linux’s UI actually seems superior, but I always got suckered back into Windows because I wanted to play certain games.

      I tried again last month, and this time, it’s different. The games that I want to play work well enough in Linux. Some of them have native Linux builds. Others work well enough in Proton, which is Valve’s version of Wine, a Windows emulation layer that can run Windows games in Linux.

      I don’t see any reason that I’d ever go back to Windows again.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        People who haven’t tried Linux in a couple of years need to read this.

        The amount of progress that has been made with respect to Linux gaming over the past few years has been astonishing.

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      • nickhammes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What’s really wild is that not only are games good enough on Windows, but tests lately are showing a consistent trend where the two are often indistinguishable in performance, and where they’re not, Windows isn’t consistently winning.

        If you’re not into the genre of competitive multiplayer games that have kernel anticheat, Windows isn’t really better for gaming anymore, outside of being more familiar for many people. Today we’ve reached the point where it’s a few fps either way, and people should use whatever they want, but if Microsoft keeps bloating Windows, it might soon be that the “Windows tax” also refers to the performance penalty you pay for using the familiar OS instead of learning something new.

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      • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think what you posted is great and should be read by people on the fence.

        But conversly, I quit windows when XP came out becausei wanted to stop playing Microsoft’s games. There were enshittifying back then and it only has got worse.

        I even admin Microsoft systems for a living, have access to nearly every product that make for free, and I still will never use windows at home. Even managing azure or SQL databases or having to use products that are windows only I do it through a Linux machine. Sometimes by pushing commands, sometimes with remote desktop. But I do it because Linux just works, I can count on it. Not so much windows or Microsoft.

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      • aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No shade against you, but WINE stands for “WINE is not an emulator”

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      • Broken@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Exactly. I tired SuSE back around 2001 and Ubuntu around 2006. It was not a better experience so I never stuck with them. I started using Mint last year and it just stuck. There are some quirks and learning curves, but it’s a good experience. Linux has changed a crap ton.

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      • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yup same. Was all worried I can’t play my games but then discovered the fedora everything install and the online tutorials were well written to get wine and proton going and the drivers and was like holy shit this has come a long way.

        I can live with this.

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    • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m a Linux user since it was distributed in diskette images.

      I use both Windows and Linux, mainly Linux, but I dual boot or use a VM sometimes because I need to use some programs which are not practical or just don’t work with wine.

      I don’t see Linux as different tool.

      I mainly use cruciform (pozidrive if possible) screws and screwdrivers, but sometimes I have use flat.

      No drama, no religious zealotery.

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      • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Linux was 100% an alternative to me, not sure why it isn’t?

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  • Zacryon@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s a complicated way of saying that Microsoft recommends switching to Linux. /j

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    • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You joke but As of this last weekend I just did and it was pretty damned free…

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      • BlackVenom@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What distro?

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  • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No it doesn’t.

    massgrave.dev

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    • 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Also:

      0patch.com

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      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Hmm, neat!

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    • finix_the_psyker@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Came here to make sure someone dropped this link.

      Also: Linux btw

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    • shininghero@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Huh, and I thought that was only for the os activation, but no. ESU support is right there, under the TSForge activation method.

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      • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The LSTC IoT editions also have it built right in, and come without the ancillary Windows bloatware (except Edge, which you’re stuck with) for niche applications that require running Windows-only software that can’t be avoided. Even on lower end hardware.

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      • atticus88th@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Its even more support than what MS is offering LMAO

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    • buttnugget@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      From these mass graves we learn to sing.

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  • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Linux can’t run my cock and ball squeezing app!”

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    • Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Actually, I been much happier not being able to play League anymore.

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      • NoPanko@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah I realised the only games I cant play on linux are the ones that really don’t respect my privacy/time/wallet so it ended up a net benefit

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      • chortle_tortle@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Never been a better time to try dota 😈

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    • Noerttipertti@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good thing that Linux can run pretty much everything I want to play. Ckb-new and and Streamdeck-gui still need some finishing touches so that E:D and DCS are identical to old Windows setup, but everything else seems to run without a hitch.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Luckily Linux Mint still allows local accounts. In fact there is not other option besides just a local account.

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    • seralth@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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      • BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Installed Bazzite on my main gaming rig two weeks ago. Haven’t booted win10 since, fantastic distro.

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  • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This just in, convicted monopoly Microsoft will fuck you over at every conceivable opportunity. Film at 11.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      convicted monopoly

      Well that’s a blast from the past. That was neat-o how Mr Boies nailed a conviction and the remedy was … An apology? Was it even that much?

      Glad to see Microsoft is successfully building on that crushing no-remedy defeat by doing the same and more. #winning

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      • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It was actually significant, and changed them quite a lot for 2 decades. Now they don’t give a shit anymore. But there was an impact.

        Woukd have been more significant if Bush admin hadn’t overridden the original judgment to break MS into 3 companies.

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  • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So use anything but Windows? Got it.

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    • Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      TempleOS is anything but windows

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Haiku OS FTW!

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      • darkreader2636@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        action retro approved solution

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  • eskimofry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Microsoft is no longer permitted on my PC

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  • qevlarr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    At this point, I’m starting not to feel bad for people who put themselves through this shit. Using windows nowadays is like staying in an abusive relationship while you have an actual chance to get out, then complaining about it. Linux works no problem. And if a software/hardware vendor refuses to bring it to Linux, then you vote with your wallet. We need to let go of a bit of our love for “convenience” and try to be uncomfortable a tiny bit. Be a tiny bit inconvenienced.

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    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And the thing of it is, back in the good old days you actually had to learn how to use your computer. This took effort, comprehension, and skill. And probably reading some manuals. Like, actual words printed on dead trees, bound up into a book. This was normal and expected, and you would build up your skillset to operate the machine you probably paid thousands of dollars for. No one had a problem with this then.

      Learning to use Linux is no different, but nowadays everyone just wants everything handed to them and they’ll steadfastly refuse to put forth any effort while simultaneously failing to realize that figuring out whatever the next workaround is to get around something that Microsoft broke for them in the last update is basically exactly the same thing. Think back when you were learning to use DOS or trying to install your VESA local bus video card drivers in Windows 3.1, or desperately fiddling around with EMM386 in your config.sys file to try to get enough conventional memory freed up at startup to run Doom. If you had the amount of online resources we have now to just get the answer and not have to call tech support (and probably pay for it), or paw through a manual, or just be fucked and have to figure out by trial and error on your own, we would have all been stoked.

      Entitlement breeds complacency, and complacency leads to the Dark Side. If you go out of your way to teach yourself to be helpless, you will be helpless.

      Back then you owned your computer. By and large outside of some specific special purpose fuckery with licensing dongles you physically possessed the software you ran. Like, on a disk. You controlled what you ran, not some outside source. With all of the commercial operating systems (this includes OSX and iOS, Android, and Windows all to various degrees) this is now actively being taken away from you. The only way to claim it back is to run one of the open source platforms.

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      • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There are families with 4 children with a full time job that need to also maintain cars, a house, do taxes, estates, bikes, computers laptops iPads tvs, routers, electrical wiring, heating, water, aircon and cel phones among all the other equipment in the house for every day living like coffee machines, fridges, dishwashers, washer dryer, ovens and stove tops sinks and toilets … I can understand and respect that they don’t have the time to know how to build or troubleshoot all these things from the ground up and commit all their time to doing all of it just cuz they bought a slice of convenience. Cuz any one of these things they use daily could be used against them for not knowing how to do the basics of.

        And any parent with stretched time I would not call that helpless. Parenting seems pretty hard. The feeding alone. If they picked only one thing out of that to commit their time and it’s to their family I’d say their priorities are correct.

        It’s a computer. It’s a tool for some and for others: it’s a hobby. Your decision. you do you and whatever blows your hair back.

        If you’re that eager to be crunchy and ‘purist’ about doing all the legwork of everyday existence go back to pissing in an outhouse, maintaining that just for ‘simplicity’ and take your own garbage to the dump, i think there are even communes you could join to experience that raw life but i still don’t understand this fear of progression.

        Anyways point is: Gatekeeping is so cringe. And I’m saying this to you as a fellow Linux user.

        We can be better than this. Be better than this.

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    • buttnugget@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You should have sympathy for people in abusive relationships. Your judgmental attitude is ridiculous in both respects.

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    • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Honestly I firmly agree with this. If it doesn’t work with wine nowadays unless it’s a big thing i just don’t involve myself with it.

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    • kewjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      the main difference is that Microsoft builds features quickly and for profit. that means the focus isn’t always on what the user wants, so they make tradeoffs that are good enough to not disturb the user base. recently with the AI craze basically showing how little they really care for the user.

      Linux on the other hand is FOSS, anyone who wants a feature can build it. this is slower to deliver because the profit incentive (if there even is one) isn’t as big but that also means there don’t have to be compromises to delivered features.

      looking at both these operating models i would rather be in the group building the future for users rather than shareholders. if it means waiting a few months for a few things to work as smoothly as I want I’m ok with that because it only keeps getting better and it’s literally free.

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  • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Coincidentally I no longer support windows machines in my home.

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    • Glitterbomb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Just finished building a new PC last night, 64GB RAM, 8GB vRAM, 2TB m.2, 8x8TB HDD, and windows will never goddamn touch it. It feels weird, but so far so good.

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      • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        8x8TB HDD 64 terabytes of HDD storage?! What in the RAID will you do with all of that? And more importantly, how much did it cost?

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    • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t believe you! (that it is coincidential)

      :)

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  • ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fuck Windows. Most overrated OS.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      OS ChromeOS wannabe.

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  • NoodlePoint@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Install Linux, Problem Solved.”

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    • Railcar8095@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve used nothing but vanilla steam for windows games in Linux for a few years.

      I think there’s the misconception that, because you can use other things, you HAVE to use other things.

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    • drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Steam and lutris for non steam games. You literally need to learn one program and navigate one singular menu is another and voila every computer game just kinda works, at least in my experience.

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    • SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sad that you get downvoted for such a basic request.

      The Linux techbros can suck a fat one.

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      • NoodlePoint@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Easy for them, but not everyone else. I’m saying this as someone who’s into PCs, used both OS, fixing them for a very long time, and seen a lot different kinds of userbases. That in my part of the world, while Android is pretty prevalent for smartphones and gaming on them, pirated Windows is still being used for PCs because it’s so familiar for a lot of people, it’s almost the default, but for how long that’s gonna last as Windows is being made more like locked with DRMs and shit like that.

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    • tangycitrus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is now. If someone just uses the browser, they wouldn’t really notice if it was Linux. Well, they’ll notice because it would be faster. I have my entire Steam and GOG library setup on Linux and every game I want to play regularly works just fine. Yes there are instances where I’d need to get on the terminal but that’s quite rare.

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    • Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bazzite is pretty close.

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    • Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There’s a great Linux distro guide here.

      Elemental OS if you want a Maclike interface.

      According to the guide, Zorin OS would be great for beginners if you want a Microsoft-like interface that’s FOSS.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The fact that the extended coverage is locked behind the windows account paywall is known for a pretty good time already…

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    • Patches@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They said you could get the account, and 300 good boy points

      OR Pay $30

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  • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why does anyone use windows?

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    • TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A lot of software still requires Windows.

      Games are a big one for sure, but there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not run on Linux.

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      • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is a myth and has been for several years. The only games that do not work with linux are ones that have intentionally artificially disallowed the use of linux using kernel level anticheat (rootkit). Many of these games worked on linux until adding no-linux policies to their anticheat.

        There is no technical incompatibility, only artificial policy choices that game companies have made

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Games are a big one for sure

        Unless we’re talking about the handful of kernel-level anti-cheat games where the devs have refused to allow Linux support through Proton, nearly every game you own will work. Most of them without any tinkering whatsoever.

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    • Psaldorn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For me, Minecraft bedrock (for kids) but looks like anything MS tainted will start (or maybe already does) require windows.

      Looks like I have to decide what to do soon because they’re still on W10.

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      • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        it will be a slight downgrade, but they do have a Minecraft bedrock wrapper program that uses the Android version of Minecraft, so technically Pocket Edition, and that’s probably the easiest currently at getting that version of Minecraft to run on Linux.

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      • IcyToes@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Minecraft Java runs fine. Bedrock is pretty meh tbh.

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    • twinnie@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I say this as a Linux user, Windows is still considerably easier to use and it certainly looks a lot slicker.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        and it certainly looks a lot slicker.

        As someone who is still required to use Windows on my work laptop, hard disagree.

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    • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s stupid, honestly. I was trying to play Fallout New Vegas for the fifth time, and starting the game I realized the main radio station of the game, which repeats forever, was mute. For my weird taste, this was a dealbreaker, as IDK how they do it, but their playlists have this quality to immerse me in the game no matter how many times I listen to them. Tried every fix I could find to sort this problem with no success. So, back to Windows 10, and it works. At this point of time, I don’t play New Vegas, but there are so many GB to download, partitions to extend, etc. I guess in December I will try to go back to Linux.

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  • goatinspace@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧

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  • flux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hate Windows. But I have to use Adobe suite. Wine doesn’t play nice. More than 20 mins of trouble shooting I feel is not worth it. I need to be working more than solving issues. Someone point me to how to make Adobe suite work (without hours of troubleshooting) and I’ll join the Linux team.

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  • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    hatred against Microsoft aside, this change doesn’t surprise me. With forcing an account, it allows them to tie your support subscription directly to an account instead of having it be a product key, which is annoying for both the user and the agent in trying to validate whether or not it’s in support or not.

    Like, I hate the mentality of needing to use Microsoft services to use a Microsoft system, but this is one of their decisions that I can somewhat understand, it makes it far easier for subscription based setups.

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  • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh good, M$ won't try to break my machine anymore? Sweet, thanks for giving me a reason to use my local account only.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ages ago I suggested installing Linux on my partner’s parents old desktop. It’s still running win10 but it’s pretty slow, likely from a decade of bloat. Probably a HDD too which isn’t going to help. Saying Linux scared them.

    Recently they were told it is no longer supported and can’t update to win11. Or some kind of popup like that anyway. They asked if it’s time to replace the machine. This time I said I could put a lightweight OS similar to what a Chromebook has and they are much more interested. Probably also look at sticking a small SSD in there, it’s only used for web browsing.

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah I mean how are they going to verify you paid without an associated account

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  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh well. I’m just glad I can access all my files on NTFS so I don’t even have to migrate anything.

    Maybe reinstall some games, and say no more to others, but that’s the way things be.

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  • Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Microsoft? Ew! No.

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  • mang0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So Windows 10 LTSC isn’t affected by this?

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  • tekato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If your PC doesn’t support Windows 11 then it makes sense to switch to Linux. But staying on an EOL OS when you could upgrade is plain stupid.

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  • RedFrank24@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean… It’s not being turned off. You can still use Windows 10 if you want to, it’s just Microsoft don’t want to keep pushing security updates to it, and they’re like “Well if you want continued security updates you’re gonna have to sign in and pay for them”.

    You can always go without those updates.

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  • Keyboard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Right and MS will not lose nothing cus if that

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  • SeeFerns@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My wife has finally agreed to let me install Linux on her laptop after all the shit MS is trying to pull.

    This kinda stuff just further cements her decision tbh

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