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Microsoft no longer permits local Windows 10 accounts if you want Consumer Extended Security Updates — support beyond EOL requires a Microsoft Account link-up even if you pay $30

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Submitted ⁨⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tonytins@pawb.social⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-no-longer-permits-local-windows-10-accounts-if-you-want-consumer-extended-security-updates-support-beyond-eol-requires-a-microsoft-account-link-up-even-if-you-pay-usd30

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  • Zacryon@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s a complicated way of saying that Microsoft recommends switching to Linux. /j

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Now is the time to spread your wings and try linux as a replacement for windows!

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    • logicbomb@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve occasionally tried using Linux in the past as my main desktop, because I think Windows as an OS is inferior, and lately because Linux’s UI actually seems superior, but I always got suckered back into Windows because I wanted to play certain games.

      I tried again last month, and this time, it’s different. The games that I want to play work well enough in Linux. Some of them have native Linux builds. Others work well enough in Proton, which is Valve’s version of Wine, a Windows emulation layer that can run Windows games in Linux.

      I don’t see any reason that I’d ever go back to Windows again.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        People who haven’t tried Linux in a couple of years need to read this.

        The amount of progress that has been made with respect to Linux gaming over the past few years has been astonishing.

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      • nickhammes@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What’s really wild is that not only are games good enough on Windows, but tests lately are showing a consistent trend where the two are often indistinguishable in performance, and where they’re not, Windows isn’t consistently winning.

        If you’re not into the genre of competitive multiplayer games that have kernel anticheat, Windows isn’t really better for gaming anymore, outside of being more familiar for many people. Today we’ve reached the point where it’s a few fps either way, and people should use whatever they want, but if Microsoft keeps bloating Windows, it might soon be that the “Windows tax” also refers to the performance penalty you pay for using the familiar OS instead of learning something new.

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      • Broken@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Exactly. I tired SuSE back around 2001 and Ubuntu around 2006. It was not a better experience so I never stuck with them. I started using Mint last year and it just stuck. There are some quirks and learning curves, but it’s a good experience. Linux has changed a crap ton.

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      • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think what you posted is great and should be read by people on the fence.

        But conversly, I quit windows when XP came out becausei wanted to stop playing Microsoft’s games. There were enshittifying back then and it only has got worse.

        I even admin Microsoft systems for a living, have access to nearly every product that make for free, and I still will never use windows at home. Even managing azure or SQL databases or having to use products that are windows only I do it through a Linux machine. Sometimes by pushing commands, sometimes with remote desktop. But I do it because Linux just works, I can count on it. Not so much windows or Microsoft.

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      • aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No shade against you, but WINE stands for “WINE is not an emulator”

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  • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So use anything but Windows? Got it.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Haiku OS FTW!

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  • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Linux can’t run my cock and ball squeezing app!”

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    • Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Actually, I been much happier not being able to play League anymore.

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      • NoPanko@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah I realised the only games I cant play on linux are the ones that really don’t respect my privacy/time/wallet so it ended up a net benefit

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      • chortle_tortle@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Never been a better time to try dota 😈

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    • Noerttipertti@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Good thing that Linux can run pretty much everything I want to play. Ckb-new and and Streamdeck-gui still need some finishing touches so that E:D and DCS are identical to old Windows setup, but everything else seems to run without a hitch.

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  • NoodlePoint@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Install Linux, Problem Solved.”

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  • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No it doesn’t.

    massgrave.dev

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    • 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Also:

      0patch.com

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      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hmm, neat!

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    • finix_the_psyker@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Came here to make sure someone dropped this link.

      Also: Linux btw

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    • shininghero@pawb.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Huh, and I thought that was only for the os activation, but no. ESU support is right there, under the TSForge activation method.

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      • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The LSTC IoT editions also have it built right in, and come without the ancillary Windows bloatware (except Edge, which you’re stuck with) for niche applications that require running Windows-only software that can’t be avoided. Even on lower end hardware.

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      • atticus88th@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Its even more support than what MS is offering LMAO

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  • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This just in, convicted monopoly Microsoft will fuck you over at every conceivable opportunity. Film at 11.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      convicted monopoly

      Well that’s a blast from the past. That was neat-o how Mr Boies nailed a conviction and the remedy was … An apology? Was it even that much?

      Glad to see Microsoft is successfully building on that crushing no-remedy defeat by doing the same and more. #winning

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      • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It was actually significant, and changed them quite a lot for 2 decades. Now they don’t give a shit anymore. But there was an impact.

        Woukd have been more significant if Bush admin hadn’t overridden the original judgment to break MS into 3 companies.

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  • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    At this point, I’m starting not to feel bad for people who put themselves through this shit. Using windows nowadays is like staying in an abusive relationship while you have an actual chance to get out, then complaining about it. Linux works no problem. And if a software/hardware vendor refuses to bring it to Linux, then you vote with your wallet. We need to let go of a bit of our love for “convenience” and try to be uncomfortable a tiny bit. Be a tiny bit inconvenienced.

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    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And the thing of it is, back in the good old days you actually had to learn how to use your computer. This took effort, comprehension, and skill. And probably reading some manuals. Like, actual words printed on dead trees, bound up into a book. This was normal and expected, and you would build up your skillset to operate the machine you probably paid thousands of dollars for. No one had a problem with this then.

      Learning to use Linux is no different, but nowadays everyone just wants everything handed to them and they’ll steadfastly refuse to put forth any effort while simultaneously failing to realize that figuring out whatever the next workaround is to get around something that Microsoft broke for them in the last update is basically exactly the same thing. Think back when you were learning to use DOS or trying to install your VESA local bus video card drivers in Windows 3.1, or desperately fiddling around with EMM386 in your config.sys file to try to get enough conventional memory freed up at startup to run Doom. If you had the amount of online resources we have now to just get the answer and not have to call tech support (and probably pay for it), or paw through a manual, or just be fucked and have to figure out by trial and error on your own, we would have all been stoked.

      Entitlement breeds complacency, and complacency leads to the Dark Side. If you go out of your way to teach yourself to be helpless, you will be helpless.

      Back then you owned your computer. By and large outside of some specific special purpose fuckery with licensing dongles you physically possessed the software you ran. Like, on a disk. You controlled what you ran, not some outside source. With all of the commercial operating systems (this includes OSX and iOS, Android, and Windows all to various degrees) this is now actively being taken away from you. The only way to claim it back is to run one of the open source platforms.

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    • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Honestly I firmly agree with this. If it doesn’t work with wine nowadays unless it’s a big thing i just don’t involve myself with it.

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    • kewjo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      the main difference is that Microsoft builds features quickly and for profit. that means the focus isn’t always on what the user wants, so they make tradeoffs that are good enough to not disturb the user base. recently with the AI craze basically showing how little they really care for the user.

      Linux on the other hand is FOSS, anyone who wants a feature can build it. this is slower to deliver because the profit incentive (if there even is one) isn’t as big but that also means there don’t have to be compromises to delivered features.

      looking at both these operating models i would rather be in the group building the future for users rather than shareholders. if it means waiting a few months for a few things to work as smoothly as I want I’m ok with that because it only keeps getting better and it’s literally free.

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  • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Coincidentally I no longer support windows machines in my home.

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    • Glitterbomb@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Just finished building a new PC last night, 64GB RAM, 8GB vRAM, 2TB m.2, 8x8TB HDD, and windows will never goddamn touch it. It feels weird, but so far so good.

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      • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        8x8TB HDD 64 terabytes of HDD storage?! What in the RAID will you do with all of that? And more importantly, how much did it cost?

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    • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t believe you! (that it is coincidential)

      :)

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Image

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    • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What is Pete Davidson doing to that poor soul?

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  • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why does anyone use windows?

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    • TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A lot of software still requires Windows.

      Games are a big one for sure, but there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not run on Linux.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Games are a big one for sure

        Unless we’re talking about the handful of kernel-level anti-cheat games where the devs have refused to allow Linux support through Proton, nearly every game you own will work. Most of them without any tinkering whatsoever.

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      • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is a myth and has been for several years. The only games that do not work with linux are ones that have intentionally artificially disallowed the use of linux using kernel level anticheat (rootkit). Many of these games worked on linux until adding no-linux policies to their anticheat.

        There is no technical incompatibility, only artificial policy choices that game companies have made

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    • Psaldorn@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      For me, Minecraft bedrock (for kids) but looks like anything MS tainted will start (or maybe already does) require windows.

      Looks like I have to decide what to do soon because they’re still on W10.

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      • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        it will be a slight downgrade, but they do have a Minecraft bedrock wrapper program that uses the Android version of Minecraft, so technically Pocket Edition, and that’s probably the easiest currently at getting that version of Minecraft to run on Linux.

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    • twinnie@feddit.uk ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I say this as a Linux user, Windows is still considerably easier to use and it certainly looks a lot slicker.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        and it certainly looks a lot slicker.

        As someone who is still required to use Windows on my work laptop, hard disagree.

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    • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s stupid, honestly. I was trying to play Fallout New Vegas for the fifth time, and starting the game I realized the main radio station of the game, which repeats forever, was mute. For my weird taste, this was a dealbreaker, as IDK how they do it, but their playlists have this quality to immerse me in the game no matter how many times I listen to them. Tried every fix I could find to sort this problem with no success. So, back to Windows 10, and it works. At this point of time, I don’t play New Vegas, but there are so many GB to download, partitions to extend, etc. I guess in December I will try to go back to Linux.

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I have one extremely important game that is a half life 1 mod and will NOT run on Linux.

      Plus, pretty much all I do on my main desktop is play games.

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    • Waldelfe@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I still need to use it for university. We often need to use very specific programs for homework and I don’t know if I can always find an alternative on linux. Even if, I’d have to go through the hastle of converting to the requested file formats. And it’s not guaranteed that I will always find a solution for every course I’ll take. Unfortunately education still expects you to work with Windows and programs that only work on Windows.

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      • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Of course, your metrics may vary because every person’s situation is different, but I went through my associates and my bachelor’s CIS degree with very minor issues issues., Many colleges will state that it requires windows for the course, but then you’re able to use something like LibreOffice just fine. Like technically, the only course that I ever had to actually use windows for was my Microsoft Office course and that’s self-explanatory of why I needed Windows for that lol

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  • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    hatred against Microsoft aside, this change doesn’t surprise me. With forcing an account, it allows them to tie your support subscription directly to an account instead of having it be a product key, which is annoying for both the user and the agent in trying to validate whether or not it’s in support or not.

    Like, I hate the mentality of needing to use Microsoft services to use a Microsoft system, but this is one of their decisions that I can somewhat understand, it makes it far easier for subscription based setups.

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    • Taldan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The article explicitly pointed out this extended security patching does not cover support

      It’s easy to agree with Microsoft when you don’t bother reading the article and just make up a reason to support their decision

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      • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        I’m sorry, but you’re misreading what they mean by support in that article because I did read it. They’re still gonna give support regarding he ESU program as a whole(otherwise they would be sued for fraud), which includes installation, activation, and regressions of the program. What they’re not going to be providing is general technical support which is a different beast, If you would like more information, you can read about it here as well.

        It’s easy to blindly hate something When you only see what you want to see…

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There are a few ways of doing that without harvesting PII . This is just naked disdain for people not hooking up for oneChive overages.

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      • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s a different system if I understand the article correctly. It looks like its just a Microsoft account not a one drive sub. I’m expecting they are just going to only allow 10 computers per account and then when it hits max it stops getting support on new systems (since updates are involved I doubt they will let you remove devices like with the current activation system). Now I do expect that the payment is the same system, and considering their dark tactics at trying to get you to subscribe and update, I do assume this is going to make it easier to accidentally spend money or subscribe to other services though.

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  • artyom@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah I mean how are they going to verify you paid without an associated account

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    • Taldan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A key, exactly like they did it for decades? Same way they verified you paid forbthat copy of Windows?

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I mean… I have valid keys for various Windows versions I never paid for 🤷‍♂️

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      • JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        As someone who has actually never paid for a Windows key even though I started with Win 98, and I before this Win 10 installation have never genuinely activated any them, I quite easily understand why they don’t do it that way any more. I also do remember back when Windows 7 was going through this exact same thing how trivially easy it was to get those updates without paying - so easy in fact that most people assumed MS did it on purpose just so that people would rather pirate them than run an unpatched installation for three years.

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      • artyom@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Don't you need a Windows account to buy a key?

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  • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh good, M$ won't try to break my machine anymore? Sweet, thanks for giving me a reason to use my local account only.

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  • flux@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I hate Windows. But I have to use Adobe suite. Wine doesn’t play nice. More than 20 mins of trouble shooting I feel is not worth it. I need to be working more than solving issues. Someone point me to how to make Adobe suite work (without hours of troubleshooting) and I’ll join the Linux team.

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    • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Honestly, Adobe and Microsoft deserve each other. It’s Adobe you should reach to get you a solution, not us, Linux users. As much as we would like to help you, you are caged by Adobe and your industry “standards”.

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      • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m so weirded out that Adobe has a native Linux version of their substance Suite. Only available via steam

        I’d love to know what weird skunkworks shenanigans are happening in that Adobe apartment

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      have to use Adobe suite

      You have already been damned. There is no hope.

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      • flux@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yep. I figured. I receive and deliver files in Adobe. I 've found a few work arounds before but yah it’s a non starter. At least I have a separate computer for daily Linux.

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    • somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Passthrough your GPU into a windows VM.

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      • flux@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ok. This might be interesting option if the lag isnt there. Any links/guides to accomplish this? Thank you.

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    • chickenf622@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m ignoring you’re requirements and am gonna suggest you use GIMP instead. In all seriousness, you may want to look into a dual boot situation where you have Windows in a partition just big enough to do all the work you need to do. You could also look at VMs, but I’m not sure how well they would play with something that is resource hungry like Adobe products.

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      • flux@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yah. I like Gimp and hate Adobes garbage AI but Adobe files are a requirement for work. I have another computer for Linux stuff but truly wish I could get away.

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    • mustbe3to20signs@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      github.com/winapps-org/winapps This may be what you need.

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  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh well. I’m just glad I can access all my files on NTFS so I don’t even have to migrate anything.

    Maybe reinstall some games, and say no more to others, but that’s the way things be.

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    • sefra1@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh well. I’m just glad I can access all my files on NTFS

      Shhh! Don’t give them ideas…

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      • xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They’ve already been pushing their idea to prevent this for years. It’s called OneDrive

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  • Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Microsoft? Ew! No.

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  • mang0@lemmy.zip ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So Windows 10 LTSC isn’t affected by this?

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    • scottmeme@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      LTSC IoT is good until 2032

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      • pogmommy@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I wouldn’t say good

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  • tekato@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If your PC doesn’t support Windows 11 then it makes sense to switch to Linux. But staying on an EOL OS when you could upgrade is plain stupid.

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    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Windows 11 is hardly an upgrade.

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      • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If they still insist on shoving recall down our throats I refuse to downgrade to 11.

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  • SeeFerns@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My wife has finally agreed to let me install Linux on her laptop after all the shit MS is trying to pull.

    This kinda stuff just further cements her decision tbh

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