YSK: Deezer, the music streaming service, is owned by a company whose Founder and CEO is a Russian Oligarch with connections to the Kremlin and donates to the American Republican party.

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• mitram@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Since we are on this topic I would incentivise everyone to take a look at resonate.

  They are, AFAIK, the only music streaming service where artists, workers and consumers are owners (aka it’s a cooperative)

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  • joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Looks like new sign ups are paused right now, but it’s definitely something to keep an eye on.

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  • daw@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its not even a flatrate

    The pricing looks like its stacking quick if you do neither listen to the same songs over and over or entirely new ones, i dont know if I find the pricing fair for the consumer.

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    • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah this is not a transparent pricing model. You start at $0.025 and “go up” from there but I can’t find how much. After you listen to a song 9 times and have paid $1.40 you “own” it but can still only listen to it on their service?

      This sounds like iTunes with more steps.

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  • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is an interesting idea, but I would assume that over time, the number of “owned” streams would dominate the number of “new” streams, and thus eventually their operating costs would reach a point where they don’t have the revenue to cover it…

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    • mitram@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At that point their governance structure would show it’s strengths by enabling a democratic decision taking that could solve the issue

      Workers, for example, could suggest a small subscription fee that would cover the infrastructure cost, while listeners will most likely object, their view would be valued and impact the approval of any proposed solution

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    • satansbartender@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I guess it depends on how much new music is released, added to the library, and then streamed by the users. It’s a valid concern to be sure, but I wonder if it could be offset by user growth and new music to be a non issue

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  • kurcatovium@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is an interesting idea, but I find their catalogue to be quite terrible for me (so far). Service like this really, really needs big names and much broader catalogue to attract people and start moving. Even though I'm far far from listening to mainstream I literally could not find a single interpret I looked for, and believe me I tried.

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• Nico_198X@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Uuuugh shit, I liked Deezer. :(

  Ok, so, Qobuz then?

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  • ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Your subscription costs as much as a CD and a half each month.

    Go buy your music and host a jellyfin instance, stop paying these fuckin scammers

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    • Nico_198X@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would need to buy a lot of CDs at this point and I’m not doing that anymore.

      I don’t think they are all scammers. It is convenient.

      But maybe it is time to just go back to the 80s and make mixtapes off if the radio.

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    • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sooo, Qobuz?

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    • dudesss@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Qobuz sells music as well. It’s not just for streaming. High quality downloadable FLAC audio too.

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  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why are you paying these oligarchs at all? Pirate your music

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    • Nico_198X@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, I’m not opposed to paying for a convenient service that gets money to the artist.

      Of course, the more they enshittify and mistakenly believe they are indispensable, then yes, the more I return to the high seas.

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  • bent@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I buy my music on Bandcamp and Qobuz and put it on my Jellyfin server. It’s great! Also I don’t need 10.000 songs at once so it’s not really that expensive, I end up paying a little more a month now than for streaming, but I build up a library of music I actually like and don’t have to think about losing it when yhe service get shit.

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  None of the online music streamers are ethical. Every single one, to varying degrees, robs the artists and enriches their CEO’s and shareholders.

  Do the ethical thing.

  Don’t use them, and instead, use a Youtube-to-MP3 converter and steal the music.

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  • derin@lemmy.beru.co ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bandcamp is pretty good, though. Especially on Bandcamp Fridays where all the profits go to the artists. Plus, I like getting FLACs.

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    • citizensongbird@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Problem with Bandcamp is they got bought out, first by Epic Games and then by Songtradr, and each time it’s gone through enshittification. Bandcamp Fridays used to be a weekly thing but got changed to quarterly with little announcement, and then half their staff got laid off to pad the bottom line. Even with all that they’re better than the alternatives, but they’re still on a decaying trajectory.

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Absolutely. At the end of the day the main point here is just don’t use the major streaming services.

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  • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are you under the impression that this will pay any artist anything?

    It’s fine to take a pro-piracy stance, but pretending that you’re doing it out of concern for the artists is grade A-bullshit.

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re right.

      I should figure out a way to replace the income these artists get for my individual stream. It comes out to fractions upon fractions of a penny.

      The point here is robbing the CEO. There’s no meaningful impact to the artist thanks to the way these services are structured.

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  • bigb@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Go a step further and use something like Deemix to grab FLAC files from their servers

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    • AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is the only reason to use Deezer.

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That works too.

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    • Anivia@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or Tidal-dl-ng for Tidal

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  • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Guess how much money the artists get when you do that?

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve already addressed this. They don’t get fractions of fractions of a penny.

      We know this because Weird Al used his year-end video to make the world aware that, in return for his tens of millions of streams, he got around $80.00 from Spotify.

      The artists aren’t losing anything meaningful when rip songs off Youtube, but the CEO is for sure.

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  • tomkatt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I dunno, Qobuz seems pretty fucking solid, and still allows for purchasing your music directly in FLAC and other formats. What drama is there about them?

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  • Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As a fan I kinda view the music business this way

    • Your music brings me in
    • You make money off selling ads on your videos and content and platforms
    • You make money selling merch
    • You make money doing shows
    • You MIGHT make a little streaming, but it won’t be much

    That’s how I see it.

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    • DirtPuddleMisfortune@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I saw a documentary one, and one artist said: back in the days, you made shows to sell your music (vinyl, later CDs), but now you make music to go on tour and make shows.

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  • Wiz@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This past week I found DoubleDouble.top which has superior quality that YouTube converters IMHO.

    us.doubledouble.top

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• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve been buying mostly mostly from Bandcamp. It’s worked out well. I have a big library, and the people making music got paid.

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  • LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    FYI bandcamp was acquired by Epic and subsequently sold to Songtrader 2023

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    • Tingle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Really it was re-sold I actually didn’t know that.

      I don’t know much about Songtradr, all I can find is that they let half the bandcamp staff go when they took over, is it a well known company?

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• synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I am buying music as much as I can, and build my own streaming service with Jellyfin. To this day, Bandcamp is were you can find the most music for purchase but not all artists are there. Often, I don’t find any place to purchase albums from artists, then I pirate as a last resort, sorry for that. I’ll go to the concerts when I get the chance, to make up for it.

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  • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you want to support local business, you could dig through some crates at a record store. Most shops have metric shitloads of CDs on the cheap. Idk if lossless audio is a big deal to you but that’s a surefire way to get lossless files too

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    • synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I appreciate lossless quality, although I don’t have any fancy audio equipment at this time. When I move to a bigger place, maybe I’ll start to build a CD collection. I’m not so much into Vinyls, somehow they are so popular right now that artists will release a vinyl disk buy no download nor CD purchase possible…

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  • anthony43@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Surprised nobody mentioned 7digital, a store to buy music in mp3 or FLAC format. They have both mainstream and niche stuff

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    • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      7digital is owned by the same people as Bandcamp BTW. Not that it changes your point, just interesting.

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• HurlingDurling@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fuck streaming. Pirate all the things!

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  • Echolynx@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Libraries have a ton of CDs too… even newer ones.

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    • HurlingDurling@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yep, but only local artists, this is why I buy CDs when I travel internationally.

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s how I know my money doesn’t end on fifhty hands!

    I just wish artists had like a direct donation address, without absolutely any intermediates, so I could pay them for their work. But I’d rather not pay anything that pay most of my money to undeserving people.

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    • HurlingDurling@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bandcamp should be used by more musicians.

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  • utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Any way to get recommendations while pirating?

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    • maniajack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Last.fm, but pay the artists somehow, concerts, merch or imo one of the streaming platforms.

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  • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That way the artists get even less than with Spotify.

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• kautau@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Blavatnik was a member of a WhatsApp group chat that existed from November 2023 until early May 2024 involving some of the United States’ most powerful business leaders with the stated goals of “chang[ing] the narrative” in favor of Israel and “help[ing] win the war” on U.S. public opinion following Hamas’s October 7th attack on Israel.

  Ah, every single rich person. So predictable at this point it’s like a Tinder profile. It’s what most billionaires are and what most right-wing idiots want to become.

  50m (I just spent 50 million dollars for a party for rich people) Likes: Tyranny, Autocrats, Colonialism, Wealth Gaps, Kids (Yeah like that 😉), Abrahamic Religions, Unobstructed Hypercapitalism Dislikes: Unions, Social Progress, Clean Air & Water (except for me lol duh), Equality, Regulation, The EU, “Other Races”

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• fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Tidal was originally European but DayZ bought it up so it's technically American now; Qobuz is french but it doesn't have a "brain-dead radio mode". Both have unofficial Linux clients.

  Rn I use tidal because it's on the top 3 of the ones that pay the most to artists iirc(quobuz is up there too) and it hasn't had a huge American influence that I know of, but do your own research on the alternatives to see which suits you the most, there are tons of articles about them all.

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  • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    DayZ

    Do you mean Jay-Z?

    It’s now owned by Square, the same company behind squarecash

    I used it for awhile, specifically because while Spotify promised lossless for years, they never delivered. A bonus is, as you said, that it is the platform that has the highest payout for artists.

    That being said, when I stopped using it, it was mostly due the UX decisions they had made on the platform to force videos on everything. It’s a music app, and yet, one of the main navigation options in the app was for videos. Spotify also fired their original designer and has focused on “engagement” over actually good UX.

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  • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What’s brain-dead radio?

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    • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You click on a genre and let it play mindlessly, like when listening to radio.

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  • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Both have unofficial Linux clients.

    Qobuz doesn’t? Image

    Sticking with Spotify for now, it supports Linux and has last.fm integration (and is amazing)

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    • SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      unofficial

      You appear to be looking at their official website. Services tend to not advertise unofficial clients

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    • bluemite@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      github.com/mattipunkt/qobuz-linux This is the unofficial client and it’s pretty good

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    • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They have a web player that’s OS agnostic and can Bluetooth link multiple devices.

      But then, you use Spotify so your ethical considerations are pretty loose anyway.

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• Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  YSK he’s ukrainian and has since decades lived in the west US/Shitrael.
  He’s a jewish zionist POS.
  So he’s a western oligarch, but don’t let facts keep you from blaming ‘the Russians’

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  • KumaSudosa@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    YSK that he grew up in Yaroslavl, Russia to Russian-speaking Jewish parents. Calling him “Ukrainian” just because he was born in Odesa during the Soviet Union is misleading. He had/has close ties to the Russian state and became wealthy off of Russian oil and aluminium deposits in the 90s.

    So yes, you can blame “the Russians”, but you should rather blame the system.

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He emigrated to the US in 1978.
      He has dual US/UK citizenship,like many horrible zionists. Studied at Columbia.
      “became wealthy off of Russian oil and aluminium deposits in the 90s.”
      Like many western oligarch who leeched the ex-soviet states under Gorbachev and Yeltzin, the sell outs.
      These are facts, completely ridiculous to demonise Russia for this american-brit POS just bcs he has Russian roots.
      " but you should rather blame the system."
      What system?
      If you mean the US/UK horrible imperialist and colonial warmongers and genocide supporters causing misery in the world then yes.
      Glad they are circling the drain, their time is over.
      You can cry about evil Russia, China or whatever, that won’t change reality.

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• Lanske@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thanks, I’ll prefer Bandcamp.

    Now seriously: Does Qobuz have a equal catalog to Spotify and a bigger/more mainstream catalog than Bandcamp?

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    • EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, Qobuz is significantly more mainstream than BandCamp. I don’t know if the catalogue is on par with Spotify or AM or whatever, but most popular music is on it.

      Bandcamp is like an indie zine that occasionally ships with a burned CD from a local band that has to live in the same rented house with no A/C and a half empty bottle of makers mark in the fridge.

      Qobuz is a record store.

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• Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t know if it’s any better than the other options out there, but I like tidal.

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  • jwr4209@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Qobuz!

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  • PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tidal is cool but it lacks a lot of vocaloid and some japanese songs for me.

    Respect their artist payout and the nice link site which lists a bunch of different sources of the shared song, so that Spotify or other streaming users don’t need to manually search for that shared song.

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• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He also owns Warner Music, so revenue from that David Bowie or Charli XCX track you stream goes to his empire.

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  • lemmyknow@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He can take Bowie if he wants, but Charli??? This is not what PC Music fought for :(

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    • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Either of them could stop working with Warner Music, they aren’t slaves

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• whaleross@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve been on Tidal for some time but noticed that Qobuz has released a connect service that seems to work like Sp*tify Connect so that you can remote control one instance from another. Like, playing music on computer connected to amp can be controlled through the phone.

  I’d appreciate if somebody using Qobuz could confirm?

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  • randomuser@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m using Qobuz, can confirm, it’s just like Spotify. I use a Raspberry Pi with Qobuz.com open and using my phone as a remote.

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    • defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can you start a session where your friends can add music to the queue and control it?

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    • whaleross@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks! Do you know if it possible to run Qobuz headless or in a docker container or some of the sort? I did some searching but couldn’t find anything.

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• kepix@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  you guys need to understand that there are no goodguy rich folk

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• SethTaylor@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Get Tidal instead

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tidal is ok, its american though and they suck.

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• obvs@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I switched to Deezer because I found reasons why all of the others were unethical. What would you suggest for a streaming service whose services are ethical?

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• clb92@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Dammit, I was pretty happy with it :(

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• psoul@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I literally switched from Spotify yesterday…

  Everyone says bandcamp is a good alternative but the main added value from streaming services, for me, is discovery. I don’t think I can afford the time to go on bandcamp and download every song I like one by one. I would also be lost when in need to discover new music.

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• RoadTrain@lemdro.id ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hi, I’m interested to know what you’re using now!

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• simsalabim@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Please just tell me that Qobuz is fine. My last straw before going back to piracy.

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• Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I only use it for deemix for easy piracy. I often use SoulSeek too. I was using Qobuz but most of these “we give more to the artist” services have their flaws, disorganized or missing bands.

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• mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They treat non mainstream artists badly. There is no reason why some artist should get bonuses

  musicradar.com/…/universal-deezer-streaming-artis…

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• nnullzz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As a music artist and software engineer, I wish more self hosted options were accessible. I’ve tried and stopped a few times to build an open source platform like that but there’s always some kind of software knowledge needed, whether it be just for deploying. Faircamp is a really neat project, but it’s not really accessible to most artists. Till then I think Bandcamp is the best option.

  For me personally, I’m no longer planning to release music to most of the streaming services. It’ll be either sold directly on my website using Stripe for payments or via Bandcamp.

  There are ways import downloaded music to local libraries on apps like Spotify which helps a bit. But still an inconvenience for the average fan of music that just wants to search or discover and hit play.

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• cyborganism@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There's barely any ethical options anymore...

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• Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  suck deezer nuts

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• arc99@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The best Russian music service ever was allofmp3. Sadly long gone but fondly remembered.

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• SpontaneousCombustion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is good to know!

  Signed up and paid for Deezer but it doesn’t work with my vpn (Mullvad) so I cancelled.

  Now I’m in a similar situation as others in this thread - looking for a non-US music streaming, other than Spotify :-)

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• etherphon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Never used it because of the stupid name, which happens a lot, figures though. I’ll stick with Bandcamp.

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• CaffeineAddict@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  good thing i’ve only been pirating songs that were ripped from deezer instead of paying for it.

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