Was this the whistle blower who said he wouldn’t kill himself, and that if he died that it would be an assassination…and then totally, positively, definitely ‘committed suicide’ 😏😏 and in no way was murdered?
The Plane That Crashed Yesterday Was the Same One a Dead Boeing Whistleblower Warned About
Submitted 1 month ago by shish_mish@lemmy.world to globalnews@lemmy.zip
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D_C@lemm.ee 1 month ago
OpenStars@piefed.social 1 month ago
Actually, in all seriousness, I believe this is the other one? :-P
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Got it, the other whistleblower who killed himself in the middle of another thing he was doing?
OpenStars@piefed.social 1 month ago
Obviously this is clickbait, but a fun read nonetheless. The comments too:-). No it's not "the same exact plane", it's rather the same type (model?) of plane.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I never would have interpreted the headline to mean “the same exact plane”?
OpenStars@piefed.social 1 month ago
According to the comments, some people did!
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I think since this is global news, some might interpret that with English as a second language
oysvendsen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Calling it “obviously clickbait” is far stretch. Yeah the sentence can be interpreted as meaning exact plane, but can also refer to the enitre model series. All the stories, and the whistleblower, were warning about explicit systemic issues at the company and with specific models. Therefor its not wrong, and also making a point of the connection seems like important news to me.
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It is obviously clickbait. It would take no more effort for that headline to say “model” where “one” is, but they wrote “one”, because the intention is to make you think it’s the exact same plane.
sthetic@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
It’s not, but another article mentions a Boeing employee who did have nightmares about specific planes. It doesn’t sound like this one was on her list of concern, but was sold to India shortly after she was noting which planes were particularly bad:
Cynthia Kitchens, a former quality manager who worked at the Charleston plant between 2009 and 2016, has a binder full of notes, documents and photos from her frustrating years at Boeing, one page of which lists the numbers of the eleven planes delivered between early 2012 and late 2013 whose quality defects most kept her awake at night. Six of them went to Air India, whose purchases were bolstered by billions of dollars in Export-Import Bank loan guarantees. The plane that crashed was delivered in January 2014 from Boeing’s now-defunct assembly line in Everett, Washington, though its mid- and aft- fuselages were produced in Charleston.
OpenStars@piefed.social 1 month ago
I can only guess how someone in that situation sleeps at night. And oh look, there is our answer: not well, reportedly.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
So you thought it was the exact same vehicle the whistleblower was talking about? I don’t. Think they would have been blowing the whistle of the problem as a single plane. Obviously they are referring to the model, not the literal flying machine.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 month ago
The US has lost its luster.
And I am beginning to question whether The American Dream was a dream or a mass delusion.
Meanwhile Bezos is shutting down Venice so the mondo-wealthy can go to his second wedding.
LePoisson@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And I am beginning to question whether The American Dream was a dream or a mass delusion.
It has always been a delusion. Don’t get me wrong, you can work hard and scrape a living together but you’re not getting rich without a lot of luck and capital backing.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Or alternatively, with collusion and/or a lack of morality, most likely while abusing or circumventing laws. This is the easier route, which is why most now-billionaires took it.
Solano@piefed.social 1 month ago
You have to be asleep to believe it, as George Carlin said.
SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 1 month ago
It’s a big club and you aint in it.
bieren@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Been saying it for years. The US is a third world country with iPhones.
Ougie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You are just now beginning to question the American dream? No offense, better late than never, but man it’s very very late…
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
beginning to question
Better late than never
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The American Dream was always just a marketing campaign.
deltapi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The American dream was made impossible with the introduction of income tax, although the granting ‘personhood’ to corporations was a contributing factor too.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re being voted down because that is the dumbest thing you could possibly say… Are taxes theft? Not if the government actually does things that benefit many.
Also, you have a gross lack of understanding of history. The American Dream was ALWAYS a lie. Who was allowed to vote at the founding of this country? ONLY land owners. Slavery existed openly. The American Dream was and is only a marketing campaign to sucker in uninformed fools.
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 1 month ago
My late granddad used to work at Boeing before he started working at Airbus. he told my mum that Boeing planes always had something wrong with them and he didn’t trust their culture of safety. he actively avoided flying on Boeings and chose airlines which only flew Airbus planes. I thought my granddad was scaremongering but with all the scandals involving Boeing coming out and whistleblowers I think my granddad was justified in what he said
I’m not an aviation expert but a double engine failure at the same time is absurdly rare and the last time that happened it was a 777 which had some design defect with the fuel lines if i’m remembering things right. Boeing also removed lightning protection for the 787 to save costs
OpenStars@piefed.social 1 month ago
I think it may have been in the comments where some additional details were presented, as in it being related to a structural defect rather than "user error" or technical upkeep.
It reminds me of the situation with Toyotas where they kept blaming the driver for being heavy footed on the gas, and somehow the floor mats were blamed for killing people, until they found one car at the bottom of a lake... with the floor mats in the trunk (so zero possibility of that being the cause).
Back to Boeings: there were SENIOR pilots WITH SENIORITY (I simply cannot overemphasize just how crucial those words are in the aviation industry, though you likely know: it is simply EVERYTHING) who were walking away, quitting their jobs rather than fly those planes. Who in their right mind would train and work for literally decades, then at the very moment that you achieve your lifelong dream... turn it down and walk away? Then quitting under these conditions was an ENORMOUS wakeup call. And it wasn't just a handful of them either, but so many that they affected the entire industry having to get by with less capable pilots.
Airlines have been held together with duck tape for something close to a decade now, and as we are seeing, planes are literally falling out of the skies.
... though mostly only outside of the USA, so who cares, amiright?! 🤢🤮(To clarify in case those do not go through, those are the sickness and vomit emojis)
kcuf@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The 777 had the fuel intake from the tanks freeze over on approach to Heathrow. I don’t think that was an obvious problem: the intake was a flat hexagonal structure of smaller inlets that allowed the ice to form over. The fix was to stagger the smaller inlets so ice couldn’t form.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
One passenger survived. The real life guy from Unbreakable.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Makes you wonder
omega_x3@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So is the CEO of Boeing Mr Glass looking for Unbreakable?
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Gizmodo trash nonsense bait. Literally perfect record since 2011 operating thousands of these planes.
Legianus@programming.dev 1 month ago
True, but that is what the whistleblower Warner about. He said the planes would fail randomly after around 10-12 Sears approximately.
He was a quaility check engineer at the assembly lines where the workers were forced to assemble too quickly which caused a lot of small foreign bodies (residue) to enter components with wiring that would degrade due to this.
He also said that would degrade those components much faster than expected and told to the airplane operators causing less checks and earlier failure (than was told by Boeing)
JustJack23@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Perfect record except the crash…
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Crash once, sh sh sh shame on you. Crash twice, yew, yew, you can’t crash me again!
Thanks Mr. Bush! Exactly the point!
0ops@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Well the front fell off in this case by all means but it’s very unusual
andrewth09@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Defects don’t manifest themselves immediately after they roll off the assembly line. They cause premature systemic failures after a number of years of operations. These aircraft should last 20-30 years before failure.
No I will not give you a source. I think it was a verge article.
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 1 month ago
It can take years for design flaws to start causing crashes in some cases. The 737 came out in the 1960’s and it wasn’t until the 1990s that the rudder hardover crashes happened
kayky@thelemmy.club 1 month ago
Yeah, the headlines makes it sounds like he was warning about this specific plane, not just the model as a whole.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Military contractors like Boeing can and will do whatever they want and no pleb is going to stop them.
daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
Did some new information come out? Last analysis video I watched seemed to point to pilots accidentally retracting flaps instead of landing gear.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You should question whether to continue listening to people who claimed it was the pilots, at least anyone who stated it unequivocally. Even in the original shyte video, you can hear the RAT on the plane. A RAT doesn’t deploy unless the pilots want it to, or under several critical circumstances, like losing all four hydraulic pumps.
The fact the RAT was deployed, from the very beginning, made it very obvious something was going very wrong, and almost certainly not because the pilots simply forgot to set flaps.
Also, pretty sure this plane can take off without flaps, it’s just not going to be wise or fun to do so.
So… yea, anyone who claimed pilot error without qualifying that shitty opinion to hell should not be listened to for information. On anything if they treat truth with such disrepsect.
daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
I don’t think you watched either video.
He very specifically said it’s nearly impossible to take off without flaps because plane will aggressively complain about taking off in incorrect configuration.
He also very clearly said that new footage made RAT deployment obvious and that’s why he changed his opinion.
Not defending him or trying to convince you and I’m certainly not an expert, but he knows what he’s taking about (a lot of his prior analysis was confirmed by investigators) and is not afraid to admit to being wrong. I have no reason not to trust him.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“While it will take months to
understandcover up what actually caused the crash”HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
To be honest, at least it’s India, it’s most likely so corrupt it’s impossible to cover up. The media had the passenger list before some of the relatives could be reached, and locals say someone probably slipped like $50 so that some people could learn their family died from the news.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Big corporations enter the chat