“While it will take months to understand cover up what actually caused the crash”
The Plane That Crashed Yesterday Was the Same One a Dead Boeing Whistleblower Warned About
Submitted 23 hours ago by shish_mish@lemmy.world to globalnews@lemmy.zip
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iAvicenna@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
HK65@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
To be honest, at least it’s India, it’s most likely so corrupt it’s impossible to cover up. The media had the passenger list before some of the relatives could be reached, and locals say someone probably slipped like $50 so that some people could learn their family died from the news.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Big corporations enter the chat
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 12 hours ago
My late granddad used to work at Boeing before he started working at Airbus. he told my mum that Boeing planes always had something wrong with them and he didn’t trust their culture of safety. he actively avoided flying on Boeings and chose airlines which only flew Airbus planes. I thought my granddad was scaremongering but with all the scandals involving Boeing coming out and whistleblowers I think my granddad was justified in what he said
I’m not an aviation expert but a double engine failure at the same time is absurdly rare and the last time that happened it was a 777 which had some design defect with the fuel lines if i’m remembering things right. Boeing also removed lightning protection for the 787 to save costs
OpenStars@piefed.social 10 hours ago
I think it may have been in the comments where some additional details were presented, as in it being related to a structural defect rather than "user error" or technical upkeep.
It reminds me of the situation with Toyotas where they kept blaming the driver for being heavy footed on the gas, and somehow the floor mats were blamed for killing people, until they found one car at the bottom of a lake... with the floor mats in the trunk (so zero possibility of that being the cause).
Back to Boeings: there were SENIOR pilots WITH SENIORITY (I simply cannot overemphasize just how crucial those words are in the aviation industry, though you likely know: it is simply EVERYTHING) who were walking away, quitting their jobs rather than fly those planes. Who in their right mind would train and work for literally decades, then at the very moment that you achieve your lifelong dream... turn it down and walk away? Then quitting under these conditions was an ENORMOUS wakeup call. And it wasn't just a handful of them either, but so many that they affected the entire industry having to get by with less capable pilots.
Airlines have been held together with duck tape for something close to a decade now, and as we are seeing, planes are literally falling out of the skies.
... though mostly only outside of the USA, so who cares, amiright?! 🤢🤮(To clarify in case those do not go through, those are the sickness and vomit emojis)
kcuf@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
The 777 had the fuel intake from the tanks freeze over on approach to Heathrow. I don’t think that was an obvious problem: the intake was a flat hexagonal structure of smaller inlets that allowed the ice to form over. The fix was to stagger the smaller inlets so ice couldn’t form.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
One passenger survived. The real life guy from Unbreakable.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Makes you wonder
OpenStars@piefed.social 21 hours ago
Obviously this is clickbait, but a fun read nonetheless. The comments too:-). No it's not "the same exact plane", it's rather the same type (model?) of plane.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I never would have interpreted the headline to mean “the same exact plane”?
OpenStars@piefed.social 19 hours ago
According to the comments, some people did!
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
I think since this is global news, some might interpret that with English as a second language
sthetic@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
It’s not, but another article mentions a Boeing employee who did have nightmares about specific planes. It doesn’t sound like this one was on her list of concern, but was sold to India shortly after she was noting which planes were particularly bad:
Cynthia Kitchens, a former quality manager who worked at the Charleston plant between 2009 and 2016, has a binder full of notes, documents and photos from her frustrating years at Boeing, one page of which lists the numbers of the eleven planes delivered between early 2012 and late 2013 whose quality defects most kept her awake at night. Six of them went to Air India, whose purchases were bolstered by billions of dollars in Export-Import Bank loan guarantees. The plane that crashed was delivered in January 2014 from Boeing’s now-defunct assembly line in Everett, Washington, though its mid- and aft- fuselages were produced in Charleston.
OpenStars@piefed.social 11 hours ago
I can only guess how someone in that situation sleeps at night. And oh look, there is our answer: not well, reportedly.
oysvendsen@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Calling it “obviously clickbait” is far stretch. Yeah the sentence can be interpreted as meaning exact plane, but can also refer to the enitre model series. All the stories, and the whistleblower, were warning about explicit systemic issues at the company and with specific models. Therefor its not wrong, and also making a point of the connection seems like important news to me.
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
It is obviously clickbait. It would take no more effort for that headline to say “model” where “one” is, but they wrote “one”, because the intention is to make you think it’s the exact same plane.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
So you thought it was the exact same vehicle the whistleblower was talking about? I don’t. Think they would have been blowing the whistle of the problem as a single plane. Obviously they are referring to the model, not the literal flying machine.
daq@lemmy.sdf.org 9 hours ago
Did some new information come out? Last analysis video I watched seemed to point to pilots accidentally retracting flaps instead of landing gear.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 19 hours ago
The US has lost its luster.
And I am beginning to question whether The American Dream was a dream or a mass delusion.
Meanwhile Bezos is shutting down Venice so the mondo-wealthy can go to his second wedding.
Solano@piefed.social 12 hours ago
You have to be asleep to believe it, as George Carlin said.
SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 7 hours ago
It’s a big club and you aint in it.
LePoisson@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
And I am beginning to question whether The American Dream was a dream or a mass delusion.
It has always been a delusion. Don’t get me wrong, you can work hard and scrape a living together but you’re not getting rich without a lot of luck and capital backing.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Or alternatively, with collusion and/or a lack of morality, most likely while abusing or circumventing laws. This is the easier route, which is why most now-billionaires took it.
Ougie@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
You are just now beginning to question the American dream? No offense, better late than never, but man it’s very very late…
bieren@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Been saying it for years. The US is a third world country with iPhones.
deltapi@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
The American dream was made impossible with the introduction of income tax, although the granting ‘personhood’ to corporations was a contributing factor too.
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Gizmodo trash nonsense bait. Literally perfect record since 2011 operating thousands of these planes.
Legianus@programming.dev 21 hours ago
True, but that is what the whistleblower Warner about. He said the planes would fail randomly after around 10-12 Sears approximately.
He was a quaility check engineer at the assembly lines where the workers were forced to assemble too quickly which caused a lot of small foreign bodies (residue) to enter components with wiring that would degrade due to this.
He also said that would degrade those components much faster than expected and told to the airplane operators causing less checks and earlier failure (than was told by Boeing)
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 12 hours ago
It can take years for design flaws to start causing crashes in some cases. The 737 came out in the 1960’s and it wasn’t until the 1990s that the rudder hardover crashes happened
JustJack23@slrpnk.net 21 hours ago
Perfect record except the crash…
0ops@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
Well the front fell off in this case by all means but it’s very unusual
altphoto@lemmy.today 20 hours ago
Crash once, sh sh sh shame on you. Crash twice, yew, yew, you can’t crash me again!
Thanks Mr. Bush! Exactly the point!
andrewth09@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Defects don’t manifest themselves immediately after they roll off the assembly line. They cause premature systemic failures after a number of years of operations. These aircraft should last 20-30 years before failure.
No I will not give you a source. I think it was a verge article.
kayky@thelemmy.club 15 hours ago
Yeah, the headlines makes it sounds like he was warning about this specific plane, not just the model as a whole.
D_C@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
Was this the whistle blower who said he wouldn’t kill himself, and that if he died that it would be an assassination…and then totally, positively, definitely ‘committed suicide’ 😏😏 and in no way was murdered?
OpenStars@piefed.social 11 hours ago
Actually, in all seriousness, I believe this is the other one? :-P