Self-Driving Tesla Fails School Bus Test, Hitting Child-Size Dummies… Meanwhile, Robo-Taxis Hit the Road in 2 Weeks.

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https://fuelarc.com/tech/test-shows-self-driving-tesla-blowing-school-bus-stop-signs-to-run-over-child-sized-dummies-raising-concerns-about-planned-robo-taxi-rollout-in-2-weeks/

I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.

After all, they haven't fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.

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dumbpotato@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
They know these things are going to kill people; it’s just inevitable.

Engineers are well aware of there being a cost-benefit analysis for saving human lives. O’Grady from Practical Engineering did a great video explaining how much a human life is worth to engineers.

The purpose of reducing government oversight as much as possible is so that the cost of killing people is as low as possible.

It’s not an on/off switch of government regulation. They know that every additional policy they can shift in their favor will translate to increased profits down the line as people inevitably die from these things.

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- Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Some of you may die~
  
  But it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
  
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- IllNess@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Fight Club taught me the cost of human life to corporations.
  
  If PredictedLawsuitLosses < CostOfRecall then RecallNotAnnounced
  
  Human life doesn’t factor in at all for them.
  
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  - exasperation@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Human life absolutely factors into predicted lawsuit losses. Wrongful death lawsuits are expensive.
    
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- andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  This is why capitalists align with fascists.
  
  Google, Meta, etc, are all taking the knee, because no regulation lets them slurp up our data. Target is shooting itself in the foot on DEI to appease stupid Mussolini, because a fascist autocrat doesn’t enforce labor protections.
  
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  - frostysauce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Fascism, at its core, is an alignment between government and corporations. Capitalists align with fascism because that’s the entire point of fascism.
    
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- theseer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Damn, must suck living in the US
  
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  - WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I lived there for six-ish years- from 1998 until 2004.
    
    When Americans re-elected GWB, I realized “this place is RAPIDLY becoming a shithole that’s only going to get worse.” I got the hell out as soon as I was able, and every single day since, I’ve been more relieved I left when I did.
    
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- RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I’d be down if and when they do better than human drivers. Until then, there’s trains.
  
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  - peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    They hate trains…“THERE IS ONLY TWO GENDERS!”
    
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  - xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    The problem is, it’s already better than the worst human drivers, it’s just that that’s too low a bar. It’s a looong way away from being better than the best human drivers (think taxi and bus drivers who do it every day, or police who actually go through extra vehicle handling training)
    
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- ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  On the bright side, maybe this is building up to a “owner of the Segway company”-type ending?
  
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FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
This one is pretty unforgivable. Supposedly the ability to detect these situations was added in December (according to the article) but it’s clearly not working very well. Something like this should 100% pause the rollout of robo-taxis.

For normal cars though, the drivers should press the brakes to disable FSD when they see their car not slowing down when approaching a stopped bus like this.

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- BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Except the big danger with fully self droving cars is that drivers are not paying attention at all as they have nothing to do most of the time. They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths.
  
  Teslas self drive technology is not fit for the roads regardless of this. Musk had sensors stripped out pf the cars design to save money because apparently he knows better than all the worlds self drive engineers. The guy is a just an investment bro woth a huge ego - he can’t let the people hes investing in get onwith it, because he sees himself as a “genius”. The guys a moron.
  
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  - valkyre09@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Linus tech tips recently reviewed a car with semi auto self driving. It can keep you in the lane and at the right speed. He said it’s perfect for school zones because he knows he doesn’t have to watch the Speedo and give that extra attention to watching for kids walking out. I have to agree with him, there is a school on my commute and the speed drops to 20mph. I let the car do that bit while I worry about little (or sometimes big) feet.
    
    Would I trust that system to spot a child before I do? Not a chance.
    
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  - FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths.
    
    So no different to in non self-driving cars then.
    
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Two_Hangmen@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Much like the mass shootings in the U.S., there’s literally no solution for this. /s

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- AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Well, what are we 'aposta do?!
  
  Strangle these defenseless corporations with the same kind of regulations we continue to create and impose on small businesses? Do you even know who their father is?!
  
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  - Crikeste@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    You got the strangle part right.
    
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- GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Where is Luigi
  
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- 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  These never get old: m.youtube.com/watch?v=BxvxbZGjlv4 m.youtube.com/watch?v=wNtxtuQxUz8 m.youtube.com/watch?v=QbXTDuwSVkk
  
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0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
So motorcyclists weren’t enough, they’re going after kids now? Did they move their headquarters to israel?

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- isVeryLoud@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  rofl
  
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nuko147@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
So, the USA people are the beta testers, i guess.

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- Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  only Texans…
  
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  - Boddhisatva@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Texas state legislature has passed a law making it illegal for cities to pass laws more restrictive than the state laws and Austin which is known to be full of progressives. This makes it a perfect place for Tesla to beta-test it’s software. They’ll kill people likely to vote for Democrats.
    
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  - GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Thoughts and prayers.
    
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- AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Might also explain why they’re the only ones that seem to have all this knowledge of a population crisis that no one else is aware of.
  
  Thank God for the technocratic elite, and their foresight to know their plans for greatness will almost certainly wipe out the entire U.S. population. Hazard of being part of the unwashed masses, I guess.
  
  Glad they are doing all this while they simultaneously argue that a loss of our personal liberty is a small price to pay for their protection. If they weren’t keeping us safe from… ::gestures vaguely:: China(?) then who would?
  
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- nodiratime@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Put some respect to their name, off course they are alpha (males!).
  
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SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Tesla self driving is already responsible for the deaths of multiple people.

They weren’t held accountable for those.

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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- cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  If regular school shootings were no reason to actually do something, why would regular deadly accidents with self driving systems be one? I’m always amazed by what Americans are willing to tolerate.
  
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  - dumbpotato@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Every day more people feel like they have nothing to lose.
    
    It’s only a matter of time before they direct their ire towards the ones who put them in that position.
    
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- JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That’s slightly different since most states will put full responsibility on the driver even for autonomous cars. If there’s no driver, though, it would go back to the manufacturer. That’s why Uber gave up on self driving after one of their test cars ran over someone.
  
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peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Let’s not get carried away pretending America cares too much about children dying frfr.

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- Malfeasant@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yeah once they’re out of the womb, fuck 'em. We only care about the unborn.
  
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  - halowpeano@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    They don’t actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, it’s been their only goal.
    
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- nodiratime@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah the draconian punishment and outcry when someone dares to overtake a school bus is absolutely laughable.
  
  Give that child chance to be shot the next day in school! Or starve to death, because they can’t afford school lunches.
  
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- shottymcb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  If we did the Carolina Lean is a bigger threat than Elon, but somehow that’s legal in most states.
  
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Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I guess there’s going to be a lot of heroes popping Robo-Taxi tires. To protect their community and all that.

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- IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I recall that people blocked Waymo cars at one point by simply placing orange cones in front of them. Given Teslas only use cameras I wonder if you could just slap a sticker of an orange cone (or just a splash of orange paint) on the hood and confuse it enough that it wouldn’t move…
  
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  - Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    Given Teslas only use cameras
    
    This still blows my mind. My fucking robot vacuum uses LiDAR, and multi-ton vehicles on public roads use cameras? Jesus Christ.
    
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ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Did they try it with a lighter colored child?

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- Monument@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
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  - ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    No worries, it happens a lot, people are just drawn to me
    
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NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Correction: Robo-Taxis the child in 2 weeks

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- Monument@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  My immediate thought was “That’s not all they’re going to be hitting…”
  
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DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.

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- AlphaOmega@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  My $60 robot vacuum has lidar…
  
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  - dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Maybe you can get a business going mounting roombas on Tesla bumpers?
    
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- argarath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Lidar is one of the things it needs, but even when they properly see what’s ahead they don’t interpret it correctly and don’t take the correct actions, it’s bigger than just lidar, which is honestly terrifying
  
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pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The children were hamas obviously

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- humorlessrepost@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  “And if you don’t support their actions, you support terrorists, mmmkaaaaayyyy” — Bill Maher
  
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- lunarul@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  They were behind white genocide in South Africa
  
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Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I knew I was better than a Tesla. I actually got my Class A for driving a school bus. I can legally drive pretty much anything on wheels, because the school bus pretty much requires everything. Even hazardous material training. Just in case the government needs to use a school bus to offload nuclear waste or something. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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- Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  When I worked with kids, there were a lot of biohazards. Mostly shit, snot, and piss, but on a bus you’ll probably get a fair bit of puke too. I’m guessing the driver has to clean the bus.
  
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  - echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I’m wondering if maybe it was just your driving style
    
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- ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You have to have hazmat to drive a school bus?!?
  
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  - Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Just some minor training associated with it. I do not actually have a hazmat endorsement; it’s literally just a special thing for school buses because they are allowed to be used to transport such material in an emergency.
    
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franzcoz@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
It’s because it was so good that it knew it was a dummy and not a child /s

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venusaur@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
The article doesn’t mention anything about where the cars will be driving in Austin, but I reluctantly took a Waymo from the airport in Phoenix to a hotel and it did really well. Even slowed down for a guy who was jaywalking.

It ended up taking longer than expected because apparently they’re either require or trained on different roads than you would normally take (e.g. no highways). It did such a good job, though, that I ended up taking a Waymo a second time while there.

All this to say that it may not be ready for all roads, but is ready for some. Definitely still scary though.

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- otter@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I believe Waymo has a better set of sensors (Lidar + Radar+ Cameras instead of just cameras), more processing power, and more research / time / resources spent on it compared to Tesla.
  
  So I think this is less about not being ready for self driving taxis, and more about which cars are ready to provide that service
  
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  - ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I think Waymo is also trying to prioritize safety. I was in San Francisco recently and took one, just out of curiosity, from my hotel to a Giants game. It seemed to stop when pedestrian traffic got heavy instead of going all the way to the stadium. So, like three blocks from the stadium. No biggie. I might have told a human taxi driver I could walk from there.
    
    I’m not sure if it’s a California regulation or Waymo trying to play it safe but I will never get in a self-driving car regulated by Texas and designed to the specifications of one of history’s biggest dumbasses.
    
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  - venusaur@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Makes sense. There were sensors alll over that thing.
    
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- FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I am optimistic about self driving, just not Teslas. Unlike other self driving cars, Tesla is exlusively reliant on cameras. Others, like Waymo, have cameras, lidarr sensors and radar.
  
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  - frunch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    It’s weird–Tesla at least projected some sort of ‘higher-end’ quality back when they first started coming around but as time has gone on it’s proven itself to be a very cheaply-made vehicle.
    
    The fact they insist on using their proven-inferior tech for FSD tells you all you need to know: they aren’t looking to innovate or even bring themselves up to modern standards. They are determined to make their cars with the cheapest, shittiest tech and they’ll just grease the right palms in order to proceed as necessary.
    
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frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I wonder if the FSD disengaged mere seconds before impact so Tesla can blame anything but their shitty software.

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ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Move fast and break things!

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- frostysauce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Move fast and break ~~things~~ schoolchildren!
  
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TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Tesla be like: Yeet the child!

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DarkShaggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
If their “AI” wind shield wipers could identify…rain?..I’d be more hopeful about identifying a child.

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Litebit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Elon is not going to personally take responsibility for his cars?

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Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
It hits the road in America. And considering the state of that country, this isn’t even near the list of problems atm.

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nthavoc@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
They should throw in a loony tunes landscape for extra comedic value.

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AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Can’t wait for the robo taxis to get vandalized.

Barring that, can’t wait until they fail miserably.

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RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
This accidents could be the dell knell for Tesla with the lawsuits that will follow

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madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
How the fuck, will this get the go ahead? In the US you can sue anyone for anything, how long before a class action gets filed against Tesla and their death traps?

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Goretantath@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Well DUH! It’s trained off of the asshats who drive them, and most of them blow right past flashing red school buses and stop signs.

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hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Worth saving this article for future class actions. Go go go!

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pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
ok maybe this is easier to address: is there any safety test that a self driving Tesla doesn’t fail?

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some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Listen. If we cared about safety we do something about it. This is where we are.

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csverdad@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
This is a fitting allegory for AI.

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