Telegram and xAI agreed a one-year deal to distribute Grok; Telegram will get $300M in cash and equity from xAI and 50% of subscription revenue

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• just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You should be using Signal anyway.

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  • doodledup@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think Telegram is more of a social media than a messenger.

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    • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What, like Instagram kind of thing?

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    • BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In my experience, telegram is one of those “if someone asks you to go on this app, they’re trying to scam you” platforms. Flatly avoid.

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  • Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I cant schedule an appointment at the vet with signal.

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    • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well if you tell them you are using Signal and they adopt it, you sure can.

      What is your imaginary boundary here where Telegram makes this easier somehow?

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    • noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      there’s this old thing called the telephone

      or if they’re insufficiently modern (in a good way) a website

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• acidbattery@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  [deleted]

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Long overdue :)

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  • ThePantser@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Agreed, but which one has easy to use bots and integration into the *arr apps? I used telegram to send notifications about new movies and episodes.

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    • krimson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Me too. Switched to pushover. Arrrrrr apps support it just fine. And it’s free.

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    • rdri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I really need some free time in my life to try those arrs with unraid, and telegram bots too…

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• sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So you’re telling me that Grok is so bad that they have to pay developers to integrate it? How backwards. People are willing to pay for Grok’s competitors.

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  • mcv@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or is xAI paying for access to Telegram conversations to train Grok?

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    • UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is the reason. Telegram has data and users that can be fed to the AI and they know it. Grok is hungry.

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  • lipilee@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    to be fair, pretty much all ai is that bad these days :)

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  • blady_blah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the real take away from all this. xAI is trying hard to keep up with the big-boys and has to pay a shit ton of money just to be in the game. xAI’s revenue will be in the deep red for a long time at this rate.

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• match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  good news! signal has sticker packs

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  • tahoe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I tried to switch to Signal but it feels so damn barren compared to Telegram :(

    I want to love it but they make it hard

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Signal by design can’t and won’t support big group chats.

      Frankly Telegram is socially a reiteration of IRC plus blogs. There are groups where people chat, there are channels where posts have comments. Posts and their comments are visible in the associated group, so all the life of a community is in one place. That’s important for small groups and mobile devices.

      Because these two things in the 00s web accounted for most of life.

      A TG alternative with ActivityPub identities and proper secret chats would be nice, of course.

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    • rdri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My biggest gripe with it is about electron. I refuse to keep it running on my PC. Even the damn Whatsapp converted to something better.

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  • kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    signal has sticker packs

    wait it does? maybe then I can convince my contacts to move there xD Seriously stickers are the main selling point of Telegram for us

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• Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Telegram ASTOUNDS me.

  Like, there’s been several instances of them outwardly admitting that their security sucks, not to use it for encrypted chats, that they just give logs away to world governments, and yet thousands of crypto bros and bots use telegram to function, EVEN ZLIBRARY, who could just as easily set up and use Matrix, has a Telegram bot for downloading books.

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• YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There goes my telegram account. Bye, you won’t be missed

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  • NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know why people stuck with it. I’ve used it; I get that a lot of the initial success/hype was:

    • It’s not owned by Meta
    • "Putin hates Durov!"
    • “Unlimited” storage (lots of people using it as free cloud storage, which is dumb if you value your files)

    But your messages are not E2EE by default (only “Secret Chats”, which aren’t synced across devices)…Telegram (the organization) could always read your messages. I said this so many times and got called everything under the sun.

    “Why would they care about my messages though?” ------> Because $300 Million.

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    • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This. The second Premium landed I was out, and it was slipping long before that.

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  • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Whelp. Same thought :(

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• REDACTED@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So, a software that is owned by US politician is working together with software that has links to Russian government?

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  • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

    Federal government threatened Telegram and demanded a backdoor a while back, iirc.

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  • KumaSudosa@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You misunderstand. Elon is retired from US politics now, obviously, and will return to being a force of good!

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    • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hasn’t Elon said that he’s “retiring” like every month 47 has been in office?

      Just bullshit to try to appease the investors.

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  • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are we calling him a politician now? 😭

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  great advertisement for signal

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• whereisk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wondering how long has this been cooking? A year or so ago musk started attacking signal for no discernible reason and recommending telegram instead.

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• apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Eugenicists like a feather stick together.

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• ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  now telegram is going to insert random information about South African White genocide to every conversation. or it will be in every recommended reply at least.

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• kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  ew wtf, Telegram has been one of the less shittified ones :c

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  • Blemgo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly, Telegramm always seemed to me a bit shifty since I learnt E2EE for chats was opt-in.

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    • NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Been saying this for years. Then they introduced Premium to “help fund things” (but they’re also taking $300 MILLION from Elon, and giving them access to user data.

      So will basic features stop being paywalled now? Or are people going to have to keep paying to stop random people from messaging them?

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    • noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      not even available on desktop clients, or for group chats

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• yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Gross. So glad I deleted it and moved to Signal

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  • MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    • Matrix (Element etc…)
    • XMPP
    • Session
    • SimpleX
    • Signal
    • GNU-Jami
    • Briar

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    • ebolapie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Briar would be great if I knew anyone who was willing to use briar

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  • KumaSudosa@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Element here all the way!

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  • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How is Signal financed?

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Donations and grants.

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    • SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Donations I believe.

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  • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How is it for file sharing? It’s my main use of telegram

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  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    XMPP for me. Signal is nice, but you’ll never know how nice and their software is very restrictive imo.

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• A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If anybody still believed in Telegram’s trustworthiness, it should now be dispelled.

  (Only kidding, there’s plenty of people who still “believe” in both Durov and Musk)

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  • rdri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ll think about if they also somehow prohibit 3rd party clients from removing that AI garbage.

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  • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sad but true

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• ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Big yikes

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• talos_the_true_god@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nail no.1 in the coffin for me was when this Durov guy sent an unsolicited telegram-wide message on election day in my country, claiming French interference in our elections.

  This is nail no.2 in the coffin.

  Guess I’ll get off my lazy arse and delete my telegram account now

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• KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  First thing i’m doing is opening a channel to run up Grok API calls maliciously

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• dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m so glad I don’t use telegram.

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• LordWiggle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How many people pressed the play button in the image. I know I did.

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  • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Im pretty brain rotted, but I guess I’m not quiiiite there yet…

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  who’d have thought that elon would get into bed with a ceo who was arrested for child porn

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  • dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Was he?

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    • SecretCobra85@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I haven’t heard that personally.

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• Entertain529@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wonder of grok will read even secret chats KB telegram

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  • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Your secret chats are already being read. Hell, secret chats are probably the first to be read.

    A secret chat is only for local privacy, meaning if someone got access to your device they can’t find them, nor will you get notifications (in case your partner is watching your screen).

    Back when we just had SMS and MMS, they had secret chats, too. They were blatantly marketed as tools to cheat on your partner. GO SMS was one of the first to use them. Its not so blatant anymore, but its still the primary use for “secret” chats.

    I remember reading an article that someone figured out everyone’s GO SMS images (even secret ones) were uploaded online without any security whatsoever. You could put in the url and some random numbers and get any pictures and voice clips ever sent. And they never fixed it even after it was leaked.

    So yeah, not so secret. You want secure.

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    • Entertain529@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought secret chats were E2EE and weren’t stored on servers. That doesn’t necessarily mean Grok can’t read them if it’s not server side, but that’s what I’m curious about.

      privacyinternational.org/…/telegram-secret-chats-…

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• maki@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can this be a joke pleaseeeee ?

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve seen posts in TG that yes, this is a joke and there’s been no such deal.

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    • kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Reuters reports it’s true: Telegram, Musk-owned xAI partner to distribute Grok to messaging app’s users | Reuters

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• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Im glad the EU started early with sanctioning Telegram, it will make things easier now. This is just a blatant attempt at enforcing Russian political influence.

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• mwguy@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What is the fediverse chat equivalent?

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  • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you want something more like the fediverse itself, then Matrix. If you want something closer to Telegram out of the box without setup, then Signal or SimpleX.

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    • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Signal doesn’t have bot support, so it’s hardly a Telegram equivalent sadly

      Matrix works though, but it has the fediverse problem of “which instance do I pick?”

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  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    XMPP

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  • Rodancoci@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I use matrix synapse. You can self host or join an existing server.

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    • 0xD@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My Matrix server is conduwuit which was discontinued some time ago and your comment made me look at the GitHub page of its successor again, tuwunel…

      It’s finally out! Ohh I’m so happy, updating today 😁

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• homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  "Eat moar AI! EAT IT!! EAT the AI you peasants!"

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• Cocopanda@futurology.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I guess I will never use xAi.

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or Telegram.

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    • Cocopanda@futurology.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bingo!

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• MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I only use telegram to buy illegal iptv subscriptions. Is there a reason I would ever need grok in there?

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, because we’re only a few weeks away from Artificial General Intelligence, which will create an Artificial Superintelligence, and it’ll be just like in the hit cyberpunk novel, Don’t Create the Torment Nexus.

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• philpo@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fascist media meets fascist media… well…

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• boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If Grok starts responding with “idk I wanna kill myself” to “what do you want for dinner”, I’m quite sorry, those are my conversations. To be clear, I’m not the one who constantly wants to die.

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