We poisoned the whole planet so our eggs wouldn't stick to the pan 🙃

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• bstix@feddit.dk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For anyone who can’t be bothered to watch the entire 1 hour episode: It’s not really about frying pans.

  The PFAs are everywhere by now. Butter on a pan will do jack shit to save you. It’s really fucked up. You should watch the video.

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  • meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yup your most likely sources are stuff like:

    • your water supply
    • any coated paper materials coming into contact with (hot) food and beverages, eg. Burger wrappers, coated paper coffee cups, microwave popcorn, pizza boxes, etc.

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    • skeezix@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We didn’t poison the whole planet so our eggs wont stick. A small number of people poisoned the planet to get rich

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    • Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Firefighting foam used at airports. Every airport, every military base with an airstrip practices routinely with PFAS. They are still doing it.

      It is everywhere. Water, soil, rain and you.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We did not do anything. A very small group of people indeed knowingly and willingly poisoned the earth for a bunch of monies.

  You’d think they’d be jailed for that, but here we are

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  • sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This means that now that everyone knows what is required to produce non-stick pans, they will vanish from stores because 99% of humans are well meaning and will not buy destructive products.

    Just kidding. My parents (>70yo) told me as achild not to use teflon pans, because they are ‘unhealthy’. We all knew. We just don’t care.

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    • orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not “we”. You. Many of us actively campaign against it.

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  • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m more inclined to think that they weren’t willing, but rather that they just didn’t work on the implications. Occam’s razor. Don’t assume evil when stupidity, or laziness, or simple plain cost cutring can explain things.

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    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Teflon found out and yet did nothing. That is willingly.

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    • This2ShallPass@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      propublica.org/…/3m-forever-chemicals-pfas-pfos-i…

      They knew.

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• SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Which is wild because if you knew how to properly use oil/butter and a cast iron pan… they won’t stick to your pan.

  We literally created a world of idiots that don’t know how to do anything.

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  • JudahBenHur@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    you are so much smarter than everyone else

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Look it’s not my fault people didn’t get an opportunity to learn these skills because they were instead sold cheap, poisonous bullshit. Why would anyone learn if they didn’t to? It’s not really the fault of individuals who don’t know any better when society isn’t going out it’s way to teach them such skills. Hell, I didn’t learn this until I was in my early thirties, because my parents had used teflon all while I was growing up.

      But, please, read it more as me thinking I’m better than everyone else rather than someone who got lucky enough to learn these skills eventually.

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    • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Literally a minute of googling. Takes more to make up arguments why youd still use a pan that kills you and has built in planned obsolesce.

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  • teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m so happy that my parents taught me to always use cast iron pans, or at least nonstick with a ceramic layer instead of PFAS

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    • meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Just to be fair though: ingesting Teflon residue from the pan isn’t the problem, it’s the chemicals needed in the production process to get the Teflon onto the pan

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  • ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cast iron is generally safe but not entirely without risk. Old pans are sometimes made with lead and some newer cheap pans from sketchy sources are made with cadmium and/or lead

    Generally if you get like a lodge or whatever you’re fine though. Biggest risk there is that it leeches iron into your food, which is usually beneficial unless you have some uncommon health concerns

    A stainless steel pan are also generally safe but have similar issues: low quality pans and excessively scratched pans can leech nickel and chromium. 304 and 316 stainless ($$$) are more resilient against this issue. Stainless takes a bit more technique than cast iron for stuff like eggs and fish but it’s not that tricky (preheat pan, add fat/oil when hot, basically). It is also far more responsive to changing temperature (rather than retaining it) and much lighter so it’s easier to use for sautéing and such. Cast iron is superior when heat retention is needed: stews, soups, curries, roasts, etc

    Ceramic coated cookware is a mess. Some did use PFAS/PFOA and still does, some ceramics have lead and cadmium, and some coatings just suck. I got one pan to experiment with that was lead/cadmium/pfoa/pfas free but the nonstick properties dulled after 2-3 months of daily use. It was not scratched or chipped; I took care to not use metal implements or wash it with abrasives. I did use high heat at times though which potentially degraded it. It was like $50 too. Researching online after I see there are “good” ones for $80, fuck spending that on a single pan.

    I’ll stick with cast iron and stainless steel. Can use metal utensils, covers basically every scenario, and cheaper. To be clear, “well sourced” doesn’t mean expensive. A 10” lodge cast iron skillet is $20 online. A tramontina 12” 304 stainless frying pan is $35.

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    • RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can’t we just have AskCulinary back? Please? Kenji…?

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I recently switched to cast iron, and I have no fucking idea why I wasted so much time and money on nonstick over the last many years. They are better than nonstick, easier to maintain, and make good taste better as well.

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  • Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not the idiots fault for being uneducated and being lied to

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  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Funny how some commenters immediately assume that you are excluding yourself from that.

    Because what you say goes for so many things, it affects us all invariably. And it reaches very far into time. I mean who still knows how to make their own tools from sticks and stones.

    But OP said that this is not what this video is about!

    Teflon residue from the pan isn’t the problem, it’s the chemicals needed in the production process to get the Teflon onto the pan, leaching out from the factories into the environment.

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• ConstantPain@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “We poisoned the planet”

  Fuck off! Unscrupulous greed industrialists poisoned the planet knowingly and tried to hide or minimize the fact from the public.

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  • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m curious where this money actually went. Like which specific people have it right now.

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    • ConstantPain@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      These persons paid a lot to have laws that exempt them from any responsibility.

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  • prex@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Image To be clear: This image is directed at the greedy industrialists.

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• accideath@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Got myself a set of ceramic coated pans just a few days ago. Am very happy with them. No PFAS at all and much better anti stick than my old teflon pan.

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  • InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Enameled cast iron is like magic.
    Worst case I let it soak for a bit and it comes out clean with just a brush in a minute.

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  • altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The trick is to use wooden spoons to prevent scratching. Egg sticks to the scratches and forces you to make more scratches as you attempt to scrape it off.

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    • arin@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The trick is to use any cast iron, carbon steel, stainless and heat the pan then add oil before cooking. zero stick when done after heating

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    • accideath@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I generally use either wood or plastic when cooking with an anti stick pan (although, supposedly ceramic coating can take more of a beating than teflon).

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This puts me off it. I like to be able to use metal tools on my pans

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  • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just learn to use a stainless. The entire trick is literally only preheating.

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    • accideath@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I might, in the future, get myself a good (set of) steel pans. But for the time being, I have a pretty new set of brand name ceramic coated pans, that I got a very good deal on and that have much better anti stick characteristics than what I’ve seen steel being capable of doing and good steel pans are out of my budget rn.

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  • Joeffect@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    should i tell you?

    Ceramic-coated cookware looks nice and seems like a safe option at first. After all, 100% ceramic is completely safe for cooking purposes. However, a coating of ceramic is usually hiding bad materials.

    The soft ceramic coating isn’t the most durable and starts chipping after several months of everyday use. When that happens, lead and cadmium that is sometimes found in the coating will end up in your food and later in your body. Lead poisoning is one of the most dangerous types of metal poisoning and can result in abdominal pain, headaches, infertility, and other health complications (and in severe cases, coma and death). Even when the coating is lead-free, chipped cookware can still present dangers — it’s usually neurotoxic aluminum that’s under the ceramic coating.

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    • accideath@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks but I specifically bought a set that was lead and cadmium free. Besides that, I don’t use those pans daily, so they’ll still last for a while. Maybe I’ll get steel after, but as of now, I like the characteristics of a good anti-stick coating a lot more than steel.

      Also, as soon as they chip, they will be replaced anyways. Why would I cook with a broken pan? You wouldn’t use a steel pan with a hole in it either.

      The „the aluminium underneath is unhealthy“ is just as terrible an argument as „the steel pan hurts more when you drop it on your foot“, imo.

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• Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They can make Teflon without the forever chemicals. They choose to make it the way they do because it is cheap and easy to scale. Rather than develop better solutions that don’t poison us they choose easy money and are rewarded for it.

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• MetalMachine@feddit.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Use stainless steel and nothing else

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  • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Carbon steel, glass, clay, ceramic, aluminum, and enameled cast iron are all great too!

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  • Eximius@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you watch the video, it says there is no reason to switch, as teflon is not poisonous. The catalyst chemicals in manufacturing when released into rivers and other places is the biggest source. Then some shoddy packaging of fast foods.

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    • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Teflon flakes are poisunous. And your teflon pan becomes useless in a few years, no matter what you do Thanks to teflon flaking off.

      Put two and two together. And then add: They need to manufacture a new pan for you.

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    • prex@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      mostly from Aqueous Film Forming Foam

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• Chocrates@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yay, my generations lead poisoning. Fuck capitalism

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• j5906@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  To be fair only like 0.1% (yes I made this number up) of all Fluoropolymers end up in frying pans.

  Most of it is used in industry, building, medicine…

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• Green_FieldS@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For more information about this subject I recommend watching this documentary by independent journalism platform Zembla. That talks in detail about the company DuPont (Chemours) and PFOA. m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kzHc-eV88&pp=ygULWmVtYmxh…

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• felixwhynot@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Recently replaced our teflon skillet with a ceramic one, Paris Hilton branded 😂

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  • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ffs watch the video or read the post; Teflon is inert and completely safe, the issue is that to boost the speed of production they used PFAS which are very much dangerous at extremely low quantities, and yet it’s everywhere including rainwater

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    • InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, but if you’re gonna replace a pan anyway, it’d still make sense to buy something else than Teflon because they’re usually manufactured irresponsibly.

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  • skeezix@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    u dumb phuk

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• Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We poisoned the planet for us

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• ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The original thumbnail had a fork scraping a nomstick pan if anyone is curious

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• vext01@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve not watched the video, but the wording/tone/language of the title stinks of sensationalism and pseudo-science.

  If I were to click it, which I won’t, I imagine it’d be clickbait and/or nothing to do with eggs or pans.

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  • SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You really shouldn’t comment on the content of a video that you purposely have not watched. It comes across as smug and ignorant. Veritasium videos are well researched, and he does his best to not sensationalize. To suggest that he would promote pseudo-science is absolutely laughable.

    Do better.

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    • vext01@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, sorry. The problem is, experience with the Internet has taught me to be wary of clicking things like “we poisoned the whole planet”.

      This time it was perhaps a false positive.

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  • meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve updated the post with a short TL;DW section to address your concerns

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    • vext01@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks

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  • Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s a veritasium video, titled how one company poisoned the world.

    Still click bait but it’s youtube and they have the mighty algorithm to answer too.

    Good video well produced and worth the watch

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    • meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, it’s clickbaty, sure. But also, it’s not wrong

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  • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t know what the videos about but here’s my opinion on what it’s about

    Ffs, are you trolling?

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve not clicked and I know it’s almost certainly talking about Teflon

    So very much to do with pans, and likely anything cooked in those pans (e.g. eggs)

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    • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Teflon is not a type of PFAS and is actually safe

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    • vext01@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “This one trick pans don’t want you to know”

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• pixxelkick@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I haven’t actually yet seen any conclusive proof that PFAS are poisonous to ingest, however

  Sure, it’s present everywhere, and I wouldn’t be shocked if we found out it’s bad for us.

  But it has to actually be a poison to call it poison.

  Pollutant? For sure. Poison? No proof of that yet. Just very annoying but the very principle that makes it hard to scrub out of water (very non reactive and tiny) is also what makes it seem to, so far, show no negative side effects on stuff.

  It’s there but kinda just, doing nothing as far as we can see… so far

  We need more funding into studies on it.

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  • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “To poison” just means to make people ill by ingesting it. PFOAs are quite well studied and are known carcinogens, and definitely toxic according to multiple studies, this is trivial to find on Wikipedia, etc so… I dunno - seems like a contrarian take?

    PFOA studies linking exposure to a number of health conditions, including thyroid disorders, chronic kidney disease, liver disease, testicular cancer, infertility and low birth weight. The list goes on, those are just some.

    1. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33780327/
    2. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32944748/
    3. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32950793/
    4. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33916482/
    5. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25567616/

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanoic_acid#To…

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    • pixxelkick@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it states that the indirect genotoxic (and thus carcinogenic) potential of PFOA cannot be dismissed

      Its important to understand that “cannot be dismissed” is not the same as “we think it does do this”

      It’s a double negative, its “we dont not think it causes it”, but waaaaay more study is needed.

      Serum Concentrations of Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances and Risk of Renal Cell Carcinoma Actually is a new one for me, I havent seen this one, and it does look much more compelling than the other smaller studies, this one is more concerning than the others.

      The Panel determined in 2012 there was a ‘probable link’ (i.e., more probable than not based on the weight of the available scientific evidence)

      Fourth link is a lot of nothing, why did you bother linking it? It just discusses other studies but doesnt add anything new of substance.

      Fifth link is pretty sketchy, theres many other variables that also associate, and they didnt even find a link between specifically PFOS anyways

      while no significant association was observed for PFOS (OR = 1.14; 95% CI 0.98-1.34; P = 0.09)

      Its important to note that every single one of these studies is empirical post exposure which means many other associated variables can also contribute.

      People with low PFAS vs high PFAS exposure almost undoubtedly are also exposed to many other things… like pollution in general

      It’s borderline impossible to actually separate out PFAS levels from these other entangled variables, people who are heavily exposed to 1 type of pollution will also be exposed to many others, and theres a heavy association between living situation and PFAS exposure.

      That is why its so damn hard to get any conclusive proof on this, the only way to truly figure it out would be to purposefully administer PFAS to people intentionally in a controlled environment, to try and separate out variables.

      The relationships that do show up are all very tenuous, and could easily be also explained by the dozens of other variables, so thats why you keep seeing the wording of “may contribute” or “requires further study” or “associated with”

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  • meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There is (according to the video) concrete evidence for both acute toxicity as well as causal carcinogenic effects when it comes to PFOA.

    The distinction here is between lpng-chained Fluoropolymers like Teflon, which are completely benign as far as evidence suggests; and fluoroalkyl acids (like PFOA), that are short-chained, can enter the bloodstream, and mimic the structure of fatty acids thus being able to bond to stuff in our body.

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    • pixxelkick@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, there’s a very minor causational link that has been classified as “needs further study”

      cancer.org/…/teflon-and-perfluorooctanoic-acid-pf….

      Its extremely far away from “concrete evidence”, that’s what Im talking about when saying this video was hypebole.

      Many places are classifying it as potentially hazardous to be safe, because:

      1. Theres safer alternatives anyways
      2. Better safe than sorry, its not a missions critical option

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  • Coreidan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I haven’t actually yet seen any conclusive proof that PFAS are poisonous to ingest

    That happens when you bury your head in the sand and refuse to learn anything.

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    • pixxelkick@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      … No? I consider myself pretty well read.

      If you have any conclusive peer reviewed papers that prove PFAS are poisonous if ingested at such microscopic scales, please by all means… link them

      I have been keeping an eye on the progression of study on PFAS for nearly 6 years now since they started finding it all over the world. Im not gonna claim it isnt poisonous, but I certainly am gonna say despite all the studying, no actual issues have been found with them yet that have been repeatable in peer reviewed studies.

      Everything seems to still be quite a bit inconclusive so far. Albeit I also chalk a lot of that up to a pretty heavy amount of muzzling on actually researching the impact of PFAS. If you have anything that proves otherwise though, by all means share it with the rest of the class.

      Now, if you wanna talk about inhaling vapors from burnt PFAS, now we are talking about potential poisons that can really fuck you up.

      But the quantity of PFAS in things like drinking water seems to be so incredibly low and some studies have shown that boiling water actually helps remove many different types of microplastics, including PFAS, due to interesting effects of sodium deposits in the water forming that bind to them sorta Katamari Damacy style.

      But other than that, no, I havent seen anything else, just a loooot of “inconclusive, needs further study” stuff published time and time again.

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  • arin@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Even watching a video is too hard for you, poor baby

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    • pixxelkick@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, I watched it, and the end result is a lot of hyperbole.

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• altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Wrong use of PTFE. There are applications… Not consumer products where PTFE is one of only a few things that can work.

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