Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy
Submitted 3 weeks ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I don’t seem how threatening to brick a device is intended to help you sell more of them. Like I was seriously considering buying a Switch 2 even recently, but this is really the nail in the coffin. Why should I pay money for something that could stop working on their whims? Because it’s not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Because it’s not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.
This is the part that really frustrates me. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the wording here. Account ban? Sure, against TOS, etc. But affecting the device is a whole other story. Especially when prior account bans have come under dubious circumstances.
arakhis_@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
youre not the exploitable target audience.
like legit 100% evil intent, cant even argue against that
Yermaw@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
The target audience still goes online. Generally Facebook and mumsnet. Wait til it happens to one of them and the stories go round like wildfire.
With that market, especially at big luxury prices like a console, you exist solely on good faith.
AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Yeah, definitely gonna stop those pirates who soft/hardmod their systems and never connect to the Internet in order to dump their games! That’ll stop them!
/s
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The problem is when a new game is released that requires an update to a later firmware version.
I think I’ve had it before where the updates applied to the system from the game card.
Unless I misunderstood what was happening. We will have to wait for someone to figure that out.
I’m rooting for someone to home brew the switch 2 ASAP
tiramichu@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
You’ll probably have a long time to wait.
The Switch 1 was only able to run homebrew due to a hardware exploit in the CPU which allowed injection of arbitrary code. The interesting thing about that vulnerability being that since it was a hardware vulnerability, it couldn’t be patched out even after it was discovered.
Following that incident, I’m sure Nintendo has been working especially hard to ensure there are no similar vulnerabilities existing on the Switch 2.
That said, console hackers are an amazingly creative and talented bunch, so I wouldn’t be surprised by anything.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Firmware is dumped almost immediately as well, not a big deal to update a switch offline.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
At this point I’m surprised Nintendo still allows people to play their games at their own homes, and not exclusively in official Nintendo-branded Play Rooms that only exist in like 6 places outside Tokyo and costs $20/hr to rent.
thessnake03@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t give them any ideas
jaschen@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
So a few years ago I wanted to play a Japanese version of a rhythm game that isn’t available to purchase in the USA and decided to try my hand at modding my switch for this one game.
After(poorly) doing it, I wasn’t able to play that game AND Nintendo bricked me. All my games on my switch that I purchased were unable to download or play anymore.
So I went and set out to mod my switch correctly.
Now if I actually wanted to give Nintendo money, they won’t allow me to. So my only option from then on is to pirate.
They basically turned a potentially paying customer to a non paying customer.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
So, this is a basic security principle. If the system of access is too “secure” or too inconvenient, people will create workarounds.
Need keys for all the doors every second of every day? You’ll find duct tape on all the latches.
Password is 15 characters and changes every 60 days? You’re going to find post-its under keyboards.
Spread all digital content across 8 streaming providers that cost about $180/y? Torrent time.
Nintendo wants to brick users for trying to play an out of region game they paid for? They’ll never pay again and will reverse engineering your shit out of spite.
Same thing we saw with the music industry utterly failing to embrace internet distribution. Limewire and bearshare are their fucking lunch.
When will they learn to just make access easy? People, generally, would rather pay than pirate but when you start making shit difficult, nobody wants to play your games anymore and you see massive losses.
Meet your customers where they’re at!
jaschen@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Basically what Gabe said.
Zahille7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Doesn’t Xbox let you change your console’s region in the settings?
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The most secure device ever made is a Rock.
You cannot have your bank account stolen from a Rock. People will never get your personal files or medical info from a Rock. People will never spy on you through the Rock.
But you also can’t do much with a Rock.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Similar here. Bricked my kids switch, so we modded it. Now we have ALL the games.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
How’d you mod it after you bricked it?
Psythik@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Next time just use a Switch emulator. Sudachi is a good one.
You can even download Fitgirl Repacks of Switch titles that include the emulator already set up and ready to go. Literally just a one click install and you’re playing.
jaschen@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
This was before emulators were a thing. It was super early days of modding.
carrion0409@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Fitgirl Repacks my beloved
Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Soooo, just curious but, instead of modding, why didn’t you just set your console region to Japan? That’s what I did. Just seems a lot easier.
jaschen@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I didn’t know you could do that. I’m in Taiwan and I know Steam doesn’t let you make a purchase without a local credit card. So I imagine that’s the case for Japan.
Zahille7@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well that’s some fucking bullshit.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pretty sure that’s illegal in most parts of Europe. Checking the article it says that the policy has only been updated in the UK and the US.
Sucks to be a country without adequate consumer protection, I guess.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure it’ll turn out to be illegal in the UK too, it’s just that the UK isn’t in Europe anymore so these things always end up having to get hashed out in the courts and then it always turns out that the UK basically just follows the EU standard anyway.
kadup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They can “reserve the right” all they want, that’s illegal where I live, and they sell their devices officially here. I’d love to see them trying to hold this stance in court - even Apple lost here over a similar issue, so go right ahead and try.
taiyang@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
At this point I want Switch 2 to flop so hard they go the way of the Sega and start licensing their IPs on other platforms, giving up on consoles. A shame, too, since their tech is little kid hand friendly and the PC market doesn’t seem keen on tiny screen handhelds.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a nice thought, at least.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i kind of want the steam deck to eat the switch and i really don’t have a dog in the fight
taiyang@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A steam deck lite would probably dominate, lol
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
With the price of software it will be interesting to see how it goes. I think they jumped the gun a bit hard on that one and will have to backpedal.
arakhis_@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
or alternatively communicated: “You will own nothing and you will be happy”
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh, you thought you owned that thing you bought? No. This is 2025. You own nothing. It doesn’t matter how much money you gave them. Yeah, gave them. Because you didn’t buy that stuff. You’re just borrowing it.
ConstantPain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sony tried that in Brazil, but it didn’t go as planned. The court ordered them to unbrick it, but they had to provide a new console because they couldn’t unbrick it. And they paid damages.
mrfriki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Can’t wait for Yuzu 2 to come out.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Apparently Torzo exists already!
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
That’s it, I’m going to get a Steam Deck next. And I’ll stick to stuff that can run Dolphin.
(Learns that Xbox Series can also run Dolphin without modding) Well shit, I’m set for life
Saleh@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
If corporate enshittification is the reason for you to skip on the switch, giving any more money to Microsoft doesn’t make sense either.
samus12345@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I assume they already gave them money for it years ago.
VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I’m gonna pirate some Nintendo games just out of spite, really.
bread@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
I’ve been pretty consistently buying Nintendo consoles, but I’m not buying this one. Not just because of this, but I challenge these assholes to brick the device I end up playing their games on.
PeterisBacon@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Cool! Time to go to the sea for more nintendo stuff! Good think you cant brick a device you dont have control over 😘
midori_matcha@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’d like to say their legalese is written in a way that covers more ground in the US, the most litigious country in the world. I would imagine if this was taken to court, their lawyers would argue that “permanently unusable in whole or in part” includes a console serial ban from NSO, or argue that it’s the user’s fault for bricking the console when they attempted to mod it, and Nintendo is therefore not liable or obligated to fix it.
But between the UK-ToS and US-ToS, Nintendo just straight up tells Americans that they themselves are going to break your damn console if you do a thing they don’t like. That is absolutely dystopian.
carrion0409@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Well I also reserve the right to not buy their underpowered shit.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ve recently decided to complete all the games we’ve bought on our family Switch before allowing myself to get a Steam Deck alongside my Ps5.
While Nintendo has some very good games, I think I’ll never buy again from them.
Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Just fyi, I believe Sony has stated the same right as well.
The reason this is in legalese is because of the possibility of online cheating.
I don’t agree with it, I’m just saying the
excusereasoning console corporations give.Anyway, it’s illegal to do that in the EU anyway.
Taleya@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Rverything is about “online cheating” it’s the think of the children!! of the gaming world
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s not fair, but I give a pass to Sony as their games are more my type and I’ve always used Sony consoles a lot.
Sony ain’t probably better than Nintendo as a conpany, that’s also why I’m extendibg my reach with Steam Deck gaming in the future.
anarchyrabbit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That cool. I’ll install Torzu on my ROG ally and play all the fucking switch games I want to.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i mean if i had a specific nintendo console for pirated games, i wouldn’t connect it to the internet
shiroininja@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t see how this is different from any other company. Xbox has forever done the same. I’m pretty sure Sony has too
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Microsoft and Sony don’t brick your console if you hacked it; they’ll ban you from online services and possibly deny any warranty claims but not make your device a paper weight.
Einhornyordle@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Sony may not do it, the same way Nintendo might not do it either, but both reserve the right to do so
simple@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Hilarious that this comment is so far down, Lemmy can be such a circlejerk.
Sony and Xbox absolutely reserve the right to brick your console. IIRC Sony bricks stolen Playstation consoles if they ever connect to the internet. This is nothing new.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah the Nintendo vitriol for the past month has been funny. I get it, companies are not our friends, and Nintendo has done a lot of shit to be mad at. The game keycards are dogwater, but this concept of buy cartridge and download the rest is not new. Sony and Xbox have literally done the same shit for years, and Nintendo did this with some large games on Switch 1.
Another comment showed Sony will brick hacked consoles that get on the internet. Switch 1 also does this.
The price sucks, but it’s definitely tariffs, since the console is like a whole hundred dollars cheaper in Japan.
If you wanna pirate/emulate, pirate/emulate. I just don’t like pirating current gen consoles, and it’s a hassle to do so on Switch 1 if you got a newer one. Plus switch emulation on steam deck seems to be iffy for some games… I pirate/emulate old consoles cause they’re dead and they’re not making money on them anyway. Sometimes you just want to buy a game and enjoy them, especially for online ones like Splatoon.
I’ll just wait for the price to be reasonable one day.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I don’t see why I should be okay with that either.
chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Fuck tinendo.
SoloCritical@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Nintendo emailed me today saying something like they changed their EULA and if I didn’t do anything then it counts as accepting the new EULA unless I close my account. Haven’t had a switch in years, didn’t even like it and gave it away. Anyway I closed my Nintendo account immediately.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
It was such an underwhelming product at least from my point of view. I mostly just kept it docked but really other than Zelda games there wasn’t anything worth playing.
I still own it, but for the life of me I couldn’t tell you where it is.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That corporation is still stuck in 1985 or 1989 (otherwise stuck in the Showa Era), trying to keep absolute control of anything it made.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
The 1980s were before the DMCA. In those days if you bought an expensive piece of electronics both seller and buyer expected that you owned it.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I know it should have been earlier, but that really is the last straw for buying Nintendo products for me.
what a shame.
njm1314@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They’re going to start breaking them as soon as the switch 3 is released I guarantee it.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ah. So now we’re merely ‘licensing’ physical hardware we paid for and have in our homes. right?
Adalast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You always have with Nintendo products. They have always had very aggressive licensing practices. In the early days they were more flexing them on developers, but it does not surprise me that in the wake of everyone telling them that modding and emulators can be explicitly legal that they would turn that particularly litigious aspect of their family friendly brand on the customers.
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Afaik not in Europe. But the details are probably messy.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Always has been unless you count modding to remove this kind of shitty DRM.