I already switched to Bazzite Desktop and it’s been so good. I had some pains configuring somethings to my liking, but that was more due to me not being familiar with Linux. I’m never going back.
6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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blindbandit@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Tangent5280@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If I was considering Bazzite and Pop OS as options, which would you suggest I go with?
blindbandit@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Well, I cannot comment about PopOS because I simply don’t know how it is, but Bazzite on desktop has been great. I didn’t need to install anything related to gaming because it already comes with everything on it.
Pretty much anything I needed is on the discovery store and it’s handled like the app store on Android, so no headache of messing it up with installations or worrying about updates. Although, Bazzite is an immutable OS so anything that you need to install that’s not on the store can be a headache.
Also, my computer is an old laptop, so I got a performance boost as the system feels way smoother now than with Windows.
About games, I played some indie games on Steam and Lutris and it worked flawlessly. But do note that for more recent systems, it appears to be some headaches, especially with NVIDIA graphics cards. I only play new games on streaming services, so I don’t have those problems. But I do have some problems with the streaming service using my 8BitDo controller, but it’s not related to the system, it’s related to the service’s bad drivers. When I stream the game using Steam, it’s smooth sailing.
rolling@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I have used both Bazzite and PopOs for more then a year. They are both great distros. The reason I stuck with Bazzite is ease of updates since its immutable (I am lazy and updated PopOS only when I absolutely needed, and updating bunch of system packadges after a long time always causes something else to screw up). PopOS on the other hand gives you complete control over how to install things, and system configuration.
TLDR, if you are a power user, then decide based on if you want an immutable system or not. If you are not, you can just flip a coin and choose, Bazzite has better ease of use compored to PopOS on theory, but if you encounter issues PopOS will be easier to troubleshoot because it has more users / information online.
ugjka@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
That’s LTSC versions, they aren’t meant for normal consumers, although you can find them if you want.
Or, of course, you can use their script to just activate it.
ugjka@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They are on that website, not just only the activator
sporkler@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I upgraded last year, have lost no functionality
CitricBase@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Me too! I upgraded to Fedora Linux. It’s amazing how everything just works, even all the games I play.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Upgraded to Linux or Windows 11?
Because nobody is claiming you’ll lose functionality with Windows 11, so your post seems to imply Linux but I’m unsure.
sporkler@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Linux
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
Been using Linux for years and the only issue with it is the incompetence of big studios. And them going out of their way to make sure stuff doesn’t work on Linux.
randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I keep recommending BazziteOS but Jorge Castro over at the universal Blue project has a really good point “Most people don’t install their operating systems” and that plain fact is what stops people from moving to Linux.
Valve has momentum because they are selling you a system with the OS already on it. Sell more gaming PCs with pre installed Linux on it and the support will follow. Valve’s first attempt at getting Linux based gaming hardware out there failed but that didn’t stop them and the real push is coming this time.
If you do install your OS (most people here have once or twice), try Bazzite out. I’m running it on the minisforum Bd790i with a radeon 7800xt and it works great!
Killer57@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
WasteWizard@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Already prepared everything for the jump. Switched MS Office for LibreOffice, and Outlook for Betterbird. Tested install, configuration and access to backups in a VM. Next vacation I take I’ll go for it. Mint is my choice of Distro, because of Steam/Gaming reasons. With the US being antagonistic, if not outright hostile, right now, and Microsoft having their disgusting Copilot AI Analysis Fingers in everything, it’s the rational choice I think.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 5 weeks ago
I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
WasteWizard@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Thanks, that was some great insight. Especially the drawbacks regarding cinnamon. Those are 100% things no normal user should ever have to think or worry about.
MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Didn’t know about betterbird! Nice :)
Surp@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Unfortunately not. Even as an IT person I can say I just wanna come home and boot up my games without hassle. Sure alot of things have been done with proton etc but still a massive amount of games don’t work without Soo much dang tweaking. I don’t have time for that especially with a job/being a single parent. I am highly interested in steamos though.
gigglybastard@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
that’s also my excuse, but then again, i don’t even game that much. and i’m on rtx 3070 which will be getting too old soon for new games and new GPUs are just too expensive.
And god i hate w11. i mean it’s not that different than w10 but things just don’t work!
my logitech mouse stutters for no fucking reason, 10 year old games lag for no fucking reason. the whole windows lags after being waken up from sleep after a few days, i could go on and on. none of these problems existed on w10.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
stormeuh@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Why not dual-boot with steamos in that case? Sure, some things may not work out-of-the-box now, but work is constantly being done and at least won’t regress like the step from W10 to W11.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I thought the same, especially since I had tried Linux one my main several times since the 90s (yeah, at one point I used Slackware).
Then I did the transition, and installed Pop!OS since I’m a gamer plus I have a NVidia graphics card and didn’t want to go through the whole hassle related to that (Pop!OS has a version which already comes with those drivers).
Mind you, I did got a separate SSD for Linux (and meanwhile added a new one, which is where my games directory is mounted).
So, this time around, what did I find out in about 8 months of use:
- Once, I did had to boot into CLI mode and have apt do some failed upgrades, which included doing some kind of rebuild thing (you get instructions of what command to run when apt fails). This was due to a upgrade of the apt itself, I believe. All the other times it just boots to graphics mode (I’m using X rather than Wayland) or if it fails to start it (happened only a handful of time) you just reboot it.
- In general even though I’ve done things like add and change hardware components, I have done little tweaking via CLI and some of it I did it because I’m just more comfortable with it or wanted so obscure options (for example, I wanted to mount the drive shared with Windows with a specific user and group, so I had to edit fstab). Except for the more obscure stuff there are UI tools for all management tasks and one doesn’t have to actually do much management and things almost always just work (for example, I changed graphics card - whilst staying with NVidia - and it just booted and worked, no tweaks necessary)
- As for games, I use Steam for Steam Games and Lutris for all other game versions including GOG. Both have install scripts specific for each game, that configure Wine appropriately, so you seldom have to do anything but install, launch and play. That said in average I have had to tweak maybe 1 in 10 games. Further, about 1 in 20 I couldn’t get them to work. If you do install pirated games, then there is no install script and you do have to do yourself the whole process of figuring out which DLLs are missing and configure them in Wine using Winetricks (curiously, I ended up having to install a pirated game because the Steam version did not at all work, and the pirated version works fine). Note, however, that since I don’t do multiplayer games anymore, I haven’t had problems with kernel-level anti-cheat not working with Linux.
- Interestingly, for gaming you have safety possibilities in Linux which you don’t in Windows: all my games launched via Lutris are wrapped in a firejail sandbox with a number of enhanced security restrictions and networking limited to only localhost, so there is no “phone home” for the games running via that launcher (Steam, on the other hand, is a different situation).
I still have the old Windows install in that machine, but I haven’t booted into it for many months now.
Compared to the old days (even as recently as a decade ago), nowadays there is way less need for tweaking in Linux in general and for gaming, even Windows games generally just install and run as long as you use some kind launcher which has game-specific install scripts (such as Steam and Lutries), but if you go out of the mainstream (obscure old games, pirated stuff) then you have to learn all about tweaking Wine to run the games.
If you have a desktop and the space to install the hardware, just get a 256GB SSD (which are pretty cheap) and install a gaming-oriented Linux distro (such as Pop!OS or Bazzite) there, separate from Windows and you can dual boot them using your BIOS as boot manager: since the advent of EFI, booting doesn’t go through a boot sector shared by multiple OSs so if each gets their own drive then they don’t even see each other and only the BIOS is aware of the multiple bootable OSs and you can get it to pop up a menu on boot (generally by pressing F8) to change which one you want to boot.
For the 20 or 30 bucks it’s worth the try and if you’re comfortable with it you can later do as I did and add another bigger one just for the directory with you games (or your home directory, though granted to migrate your home like this you do have to use the CLI ;))
Kinperor@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I had the same outlook before switching to Arch Linux, but honestly gaming on Linux is actually the lesser of my hassle. I can genuinely just grab msi files or exe files for games and feed them to Steam to get them playing via Proton. There’s only one (1!) game that I can’t play, and I’m 99% certain it’s a problem with my hardware, not my OS (Monster Hunter Wilds seems to hate my GPU and crash all the time). But even that was fixed with a mod (up until the latest update).
With that said, I’ve had a lot of hassle handling other things that are upstream of gaming so it’s not like you’re unreasonable in wanting an OS that is mostly stable. Then again, I made the decision to use Arch Linux, there’s distros that are simpler afaik.
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Is Windows actually stable though? I used to have to use it for work, it’s a disgusting OS. Now I use Ubuntu for work, also disgusting, but it’s much better than Windows
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Obviously Linux is the correct choice but I fear most will simply continue to suck it up and upgrade their Windows.
Alaknar@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Obviously Linux is the correct choice
Spoken like a true fundamentalist, completely disconnected from reality! The top of the Linux breed!
Linux is not “obviously” the “correct” choice, mate. It CAN be. In CERTAIN scenarios. It’s awesome if people do it, but you need to be real here.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
It’s the other way around. In general, you should choose Linux over Windows, and only if you really need it, use Windows. Also, if you need Windows just temporarily for some things, consider running it in a VM inside Linux just for those occasions.
Why - well, to keep it short, Linux’ main weaknesses for common users (difficulty, compatibility) are gradually fading away (they are already almost non-existent these days if you have mainstream hardware and a mainstream desktop distro like Mint, Fedora, Ubuntu) while Windows’ main disadvantages (forced stuff like cloud/AI integrations/ads, complete disregard of user’s privacy, increasing security issues due to outdated stuff being kept in the OS for backwards compatibility reasons, and many more things) keep on increasing at a rapid rate. Microsoft has a big business interest in getting all users locked into their cloud ecosystem, locked into a subscription with ever-increasing monthly fees, and give up control over their own computer and their digital privacy. They want users to pay them with their data AND monthly subscription fees. MS Office, for example, will probably not have a pure locally runnable version after 2029 (or around that year) anymore. Sure, it’s still 4 years away. And you might still be able to use a supported local version of MS Office for a bit longer after that. But this Microsoft train is still heading towards that wall. And the speed is increasing. And tons of users are still inside that train.
Furthermore, by supporting Microsoft you’re supporting a very unethical company. They partner with big surveillance companies like Palantir and the despicable ad-tech-industry (the industry that’s spying on literally everyone and buying/selling/storing tons of intimate user data even though it’s illegal in most countries), they partner with the military, law enforcement and other things. Also, they are a US company, and we all know how US politics is like these days, and this can have a big influence on how “trustworthy” US-based proprietary software will become in the near future. Since 2020, arguably no US-based proprietary software or online service is trustworthy anymore anyway, because of the CLOUD act, which is current law in the US - it means that the US government has access to any customer data stored by a US-based company, regardless of where on Earth they are storing it. This means the often-used claim “my data stored by that US company is safe because it’s in a European-based datacenter!!!11” is false since at least 2020, because MS is forced by US law to grant technical access to customer data to their government. Also, all previous “data transfer privacy agreements” between EU and US like Privacy Shield were all a joke and were dismantled in courts already. So there’s currently zero legal data protection - any data you send to a US company is theirs to do with as they please, essentially. And even if there were any meaningful legal data protections left, those big tech companies might still simply ignore that data protection law and only face minor or no fines at all.
So this is not a baseless claim. Just because I might keep some statements short doesn’t mean that there are no backing arguments. It’s a very good idea to reduce your dependency on Microsoft’s (or in general, US-based) proprietary software and services. For multiple reasons. Digital sovereignty has never been more important than these days. It has always been important but it was maybe too abstract in the past for many common users to realize. They are slowly starting to realize now that dependencies on proprietary software from any rogue regime (and the current US regime also falls into that category now) are not great to have. Plus, there is Microsoft on its own already putting ever-increasing user- and customer-hostile features into their products. It’s like being in an abusive relationship. It’s just not good for you long-term.
So as a user, you should instead choose software which allows you to retain your digital sovereignty and control over your own computing, and simply not take all that abuse. Linux- or *BSD-based OSes with their open/transparent development models, fork-able/modifiable code bases, permissive licensing and essentially zero unwanted crap like adware, spyware, bloatware etc. offer exactly that. And because mainstream Linux distros have already become so easy to use these days, there are almost no reasons not to start using them.
nl4real@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Already switched the laptop over to Mint. Desktop to follow.
Dremor@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It has been already 2 years for me, I have no intention of looking back. It even works better than Windows at times.
PillBugTheGreat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Whatd you jump to?
Dremor@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Took some time to settle, for various reasons, but I’m currently on Fedora Silverblue.
I tried some of its derivatives (Aurora, Bazzite), as well as OpenSuse, but came back to Fedora and Gnome because of various issue with KDE and OpenSuse asking for root password everywhere.
Bristingr@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
And 25% of users in Asia still use Windows 7. People are going to stay on the OS for as long as possible.
filcuk@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
If only we had a reason to upgrade.
Instead, we have many reasons not to.lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
Yea just set up a windows 11 pc for the first time and the experience was basically:
It forces you into making a Microsoft account or log in with one, then it told me mine was locked even though I was able to log in fine elsewhere. I had to use the alternate log in method to get in (I know you can make a local account but I already had one set up for this).
Then it tries to force you to “back up from your old pc” which this was an entirely different system so I’m not even sure why I would want that.
Then it tries to convince you to send them a bunch of telemetry while reminding you that you’ll still get ads if you don’t, they just won’t be targeted towards you.
Then it tries to push microsoft office on you.
Then it needs to do updates which took like 45 minutes.
Then you’re finally at the desktop where you get probably half a dozen othe pop ups between windows and the vendor.
Then it’s “usable”
By comparison Bazzite took like 20 minutes to get to a usable desktop and isn’t nagging me about ads at all. I have a laundry list of things still to figure out but so far way less annoying.
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
I’m a lifelong Windows user and tried Linux many many times but could never wrap my head around it. Recently I installed Nobara and it’s exactly the noob-friendly experience I need. All of my games run flawlessly, even the VR game I play. And everything is just FASTER. I never realized how bloated Windows was until now. I can’t imagine going back to Windows at this point.
Sabata11792@ani.social 5 weeks ago
What headset? I have my Index mostly working on Nobara, but can’t figure out how to get it to show as an audio device.
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Quest 3. I only play Resonite which has native Linux compatibility so it might be easier for that reason.
Botler@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Linux Baby, Linux 🐧😘
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s tricky because I have things that just don’t translate well to linux, or become considerably more expensive or time consuming to manage / deal with. Linux has a lot to offer and a lot of great. But I’m just going to keep running an out of date OS until I can switch.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What kind of things are holding you back?
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I don’t want to get into a big debate on it so if you are just curious and have a couple suggestions I’m down to talk about it. But I’m tired of people telling me that my reasoning isn’t good enough for them. Like, great, thanks, glad you can be happy with it, but we aren’t the same person. So I’d prefer to avoid any conversation where I’m just told to suck it up and deal with something. I am working on finding alternatives but all the ones I’ve come across so far are coming up short in a way that’s non negotiable.
My biggest one is my O365 bundle with office apps, oneNote, and OneDrive.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice this year to see if I can replace word and excel. Last time I tried they weren’t there for me.
OneNote is my second most vital. I’m looking at Notesnook at the moment but I’m really not enthused by a monthly price or the idea of self-hosting in a docker container. I’ve hated most note apps and OneNote was the only one I’ve clicked with so far. I refuse to touch markdown so that kills a lot of them. I’m taking notes with minor edits, and I refuse to add markdown to the process just to do that. I also will not be ok with a webapp. I don’t like webapps in general.
OneDrive is probably my most vital. I have 1TB for me and 1TB each for 5 family accounts. So 6TB total. And I definitely use the space. On top of that I rely heavily on its integration to the file explorer and the mfa locked personal vault section. I don’t want to deal with a web interface or separate app, outside of an authentication hook for the vault, just to access storage.
Outside of the 365 bundle, it’s mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option. And that’s it I believe. Certainly the most impactful applications. I think most other things I run, I can find acceptable alternatives to or can run in wine or something similar without major issue.
bluewing@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
So many perfectly working older computers are going to be headed to the landfill as e-waste. That’s the horrible part.
What a waste tech dollars just to play some stupid game.
LeFantome@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
I hope many of us are able to pick them up cheap instead.
ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Yes, “reduce, reuse, recycle” in that order. It is better to sell or give away an old PC instead of just sending it for recycling.
TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I switched a year ago and I love it. All my old games run better on linux than windows at this point. Proton is fucking amazing.
Firipu@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
I run Linux on a small mini pc for some casual browsing.
I run windows on my main pc.
As long as some kernel anticheat (fortnite, cod, etc…) doesn’t run on Linux, I won’t be swapping.
30+y of windows use also makes me infinitely more comfortable with windows. All the complaints I always read about are totally moot for me (I understand the issue of privacy in windows. It’s the price I pay to have an OS that “just works” for me) .
While I enjoy tinkering, Linux is a royal PITA to use if you’re not used to it. I spend hours trying to figure out how to fix something that takes me 5m max in windows. I understand it’s a more a me than a Linux problem. But I’m certain many people struggle with the same things.
Frieren@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Maybe use a more friendly distro like Linux mint. It’s very similar to windows, and you don’t need to use the terminal.
Firipu@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
I use popOS. Windows is still simpler
loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Maybe the last time you tried Linux was 30 years ago, but Linux compared to Windows just works.
If it takes you HOURS to find a fix to something that takes you literally 5 minutes, you are doing something wrong. Your research methods are flawed.
Some of my friends still use Windows, fixing their problems takes me half an hour to find a solution, while on Linux, I just open the terminal and insert one command. Last time that happened it was about a VPN kill switch. So the person had a VPN App installed on Windows with a kill switch enabled. Then they uninstalled the VPN application and the kill switch was still there.
How do you remove the kill switch? On Linux it’s ‘nmcli c ‘killSwitchName’ del’ on Windows it’s a journey to a new adventure.
Firipu@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
For how I use my pc, everything just works. To give you a counter argument. My logitech devices just work out of the box on windows. For Linux I had to get a little specific tool. Also try installing Japanese language input on Linux. Compare how much simpler it is on windows. Linux is NOT simpler than windows in all situations. Maybe your own research methods are flawed?
I game, manage my NAS (truenas running jellyfish for media etc) , sail the high seas, and browse on my pc. I also remote into a small spare mini pc running Ubuntu server with a minecraft server on it. Could’ve ran the server on windows, but wanted to tinker with Linux to learn)
SpaceCheeseWizard@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Made the switch over a year ago. No regrets, everything works as I would want it to.
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
Been on linux for years :3
fatalicus@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Well, then this question wasn’t really for you then?
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
Nope :3
Lolseas@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I thought I read some time ago that Windoze 10 would be the last version of Windoze ever…
benjaminoakes@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Well, it can be the last version of Windows for you. 🙂
Ubuntu is nice. I use it daily. Others in my family too. And there are other options too. I hear Mint is nice though I haven’t used it much.
Give it some thought. 🙂
glitchdx@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
i remember it as “the last version of windows you’ll ever need” and they were absolutely correct.
Manticore@lemmy.nz 5 weeks ago
Yeah I remember thr same thing. Everything else was suppose to be a package update.
But back-end technology and usage expectations change, and there’s a limit to what front-end changes an existing user tolerates. That was never a promise they could keep.
It has lasted a really long time, though. I don’t decry 11 existing. I’m upset they’re sunsetting 10 without giving us a chance to wait for 11 to get better, let alone for ‘oops we fixed the fuckups’ W12.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I left Windows ~2-3 years ago since I got tired of having to keep up with ways to disable the MS account requirements or disable the ads every time there is a major version upgrade on a platform I use every day.
MeowKittyWow@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I’m gonna switch to Linux. My laptop still works fine, no need to upgrade yet.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
Full Linux, I’m not installing that anti-privacy, ad-ridden Windows 11 OS. It’s dangerous to use an unsupported system, so I’m going to be deleting my Windows partition. I know I’ll run into some issues on Linux, but I’m forcing myself to learn more and work through them!
kazerniel@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ll upgrade to 11 Enterprise via massgrave.
Sadly with Adobe and some of my online games not supporting Linux, I have to stick with Windows :/ I’ll just try to rip out all the telemetry, etc. via O&O and group policies.
rabber@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Ya I can’t live without Adobe suite so same boat
Asafum@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
What is O&O? I’m not to keen on jumping to Linux either, but I REALLY don’t like the idea of having recall active and having Microsuck know literally everything I do…
kazerniel@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
O&O Shutup10++ (theoretically works on 11 too)
Not sure what it can do on Home/Pro editions, I’ve only ever tried it on Enterprise.
Retrograde@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Damn, Adobe doesn’t support Linux at all? Guess I’m staying on Windows too :/
kazerniel@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
No, all the current versions are reported various levels of broken :/ Generally they can’t install, so you have to copy an installation from Windows, then there are some that don’t load at all, some only load to splash screen, some do work after you patch their broken UI and manually copy some Windows DLL-s. So idk, you might get lucky with the specific program/version/feature combo you need, but it just sounds like a pain to me.
Soapbox1858@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
The only way to use Adobe products on Linux are the web apps (which are limited) or in a windows virtual machine (slow) or by dual booting into windows (annoying).
You can run really old versions of Photoshop via Wine. But if your needs are that simple, you can probably just use Photopea.
For my use case of Lightroom for accessing and editing final photos across my computer and phone, and occasional photoshop use (mostly for printing) I am able to get by with the web apps, and windows virtual machine.
I would love to drop adobe. But the Lightroom Mobile cloud storage sync feature is too invaluable to me right now and there is no other option that comes close to that feature.
Caesium@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ll stick with 10 until steam itself stops supporting it I think
The only thing stopping me from really considering Linux is because I’m a Destiny player
Wytch@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Already moved all my PC stuff to Linux. Laptop, desktop, media server. Been wanting to do this for years. Thanks, Valve and Proton, and to all those Linux developers who made this transition possible. Fuck M$
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Most problems people have with Linux, I think, come from trying to be Linux power users from the start by performing very advanced techniques beyond their time and patience: dual booting multiple operating systems (so they don’t have to buy Linux-dedicated hardware), using any graphics card (the latest and greatest GPUs are all closed source and developers who work on Linux do so because they despise closed source), using the least expensive hardware (which are typically closed source and buggy with anything except Windows), and emulating Windows apps so they don’t have to learn new workflows or abandon their favorite games (technically, Proton with Steam allows Windows games like FFXIV to be played, but it’s a neverending journey to get it working and keeping it working.
If you switch to Linux, accept that for a smooth experience you’ll have to pay more than you would for a Windows machine (e.g. System76, Framework) And if you want graphics card support for your emulated Windows games on Steam, you’re going to have to use the specific flavor of Linux the manufacturer supports.
That said, if you value free/libre open source software, then making the switch from Windows is totally worth it.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
New GPUs don’t work on Linux? Where did you get that idea from?
Sabata11792@ani.social 5 weeks ago
Got a 7900xtx a few days ago and worked out of the box. Had to update the drivers after install but that took 5 minutes.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I had the same question, my 6750xt works just fine and it’s fairly new.
Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
You are right about trying to be power users. I switched to Linux recently and definitely struggled with my sudden reduction is understanding. I got everything I needed for gaming setup up in a few hours. Then I tried to set up some productivity workflows and slammed into a brick wall of my own ignorance. I definitely considered just going back to Windows.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
It’s already really good to hear you got gaming set up so quickly. A lot of people struggle with that as well either because team green (Nvidia) is involved since their drivers are utter garbage, or due to trying Linux on an older machine that doesn’t support Vulkan (which is a necessity if you want Proton to just work).
The value of getting a perfectly supported machine from a Linux vendor like System76, Tuxedo, Slimbook, StarLabs, NovaCustom etc. can’t be understated. Even more so since you also buy their customer support with it. We must not forget that, even though Linux runs on basically anything, most consumer devices are first-and-foremost Windows machines.
TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Many Linux distros are not very user friendly and intuitive when it comes to normal users with two left hands when it comes to PCs. Lots of Linux power users need to get off of their high horse and realize this. If I had some issues, my parents definitely will.
Mildren@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think this may be out of date now, dual booting is relatively simple to set up and there are a wealth of tutorials online for it, setting up a graphics card (nvidia) was a breeze, and for the wide majority of games in my library (I play both indie and AAA), I’ve had very few issues running native, and most that haven’t ran out of the box have guides posted on protondb.com, most are up and running in 5 mins.
DimFisher@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Very accurate comment!
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Can you elaborate on the incompatibility of the newest GPUs? It looks like Nvidia publishes a Linux driver for the Blackwell series and there are a number of AI applications (like supporting Triton and pysam-based methods) which seem harder to get working on Windows than on Linux.
I’m considering switching over but I hear mixed things about Nvidia support. Some people seem to say it’s a pain to get the drivers working and others seem to think that’s an issue that’s been resolved. Not sure what to think in terms of how difficult the switch would be.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I’m not sure about the specific AI apps you mention, but from my personal experience the “AMD works way better than Nvidia on Linux” mindset is no longer a thing.
When I upgraded to a new gpu a few years ago, I first got an AMD gpu because of that mindset that was all over the internet (I believed them), but for the life of me I couldn’t get games to run properly with it. A week later I traded it for an Nvidia card and it just works.
I do suffer from system wake from sleep issues that I think are the nvidia drivers fault, but atleast I can play games if I decide to.
nuko147@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I’m in Windows 11. I have regret it, but after so many tweaks of the system, removing telemetries, changing menus, and other Windows shit, i had not the energy to move back to Windows 10.
Only OS change i am willing to make is to move to Linux, but gaming is not there yet, and am now trying to move from big proprietary companies to FOSS, so time is needed.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
My gaming pc has just switched over to bazzite (as I use it like a console/htpc). Been wanting to do it for ages but needed to get an amd card beforehand for the best experience. Windows really started to grind my gears in the last few months too.
n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Yep, fuck M$