We are so cooked

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• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Probably the same reason we had 40+ tornadoes, huge hailstorms, floods, and drought-enabled wildfires in six adjacent states within 48 hours. Anthropogenic climate change is real, whether you believe in it or not.

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  • dharmacurious@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Dont forget that time the hurricane hit Tennessee and it fucking flooded the mountains

    Everything is totally normal

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, one would expect mountainous areas to flood because elevation focuses water flow. I’m in Florida, flattest state in the union. We never flood except in hurricanes, and those floods don’t last like they do in other places, in and out.

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  • secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Please stop saying sacreligious comments like this. It’s offensive to religious people.

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  • Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Anthropogenic climate change is real, whether you believe in it or not.

    You know who believes in climate change? Fossil fuel companies, insurance companies, the military industrial complex, and every single politician talking about buying or taking Greenland by force. All the very same people who have spent the past half century publicly denying the existence of anthropogenic climate change. Not only do they believe in it, but they are designing their profit models around it at our expense.

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  • arakhis_@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Slap her in the face for me.

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    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Would a graph help? statista.com/…/divergence-of-ocean-temperatures-f…

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• shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Have you tried persecuting all the scientists yet??

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  • vk6flab@lemmy.radio ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They just got fired, together with anyone who might begin to fix this.

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    • Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And the US government banned words related to climate change from any future studies. If your grant proposal includes those keywords, it’ll get denied automatically without a human even looking at it.

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We’re pretty sure it’s the Monsanto pesticide and anyone who suggests it is hit with a litigation threat. Curiously, as we’re speed-breeding domesticated bees the wild bees are dying out faster, so as the bee population dwindles it also becomes more domesticated and less wild. I know that’s a bad thing, but I am fuzzy on the why details.

  I’m a brown thumb, and plants wilt as my shadow falls on them, but if you’re a green-thumb, plant pollinators, which will help the bees.

  Also plant milkweed for the monarchs.

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  • mlg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Some beekeepers actually mentioned that they’ve been scraping the beeswax clean off their hives more frequently because its known that the beeswax collects pesticides and herbicides over time which affects the colony due to exposure.

    The problem is its not just monsanto acid, there’s a ton of other issues also correlated like weather/climate, seasonal flowering, untreated parasites, bacteria, etc.

    We’ve literally nuked the environment so hard that even if we fix one problem, the population will not make a full bounce back (although I would think monsanto is the biggest threat)

    Biggest scam of this century was corporate produce monoliths convincing people Organic was about health and not the fact that it doesn’t use a scorched earth policy and scam one off hybrid plant seeds to grow food which has been setting us up for a widespread fammine for decades.

    Some random superweed is gonna crossbreed with some rapid out of control growth plant and wipe out half of the food chain.

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  • MintyAnt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Plant native. Plants that are native to your ecosystem. Those are the true pollinator powerhouse plants that bees need to survive

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I forget the term for non native, non invasive plants (naturalized?) but those are good too. Native is best, of course. I see a ton of carpenter bees (native bees to my area) on my red clover (non native, non invasive).

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  • spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also, the domesticated bees are generally honeybees. And unfortunately, honeybee and wild bees don’t fulfill the same rile, so even if we replaced wild bees with honeybees 1:1, we still wouldn’t be able to polinate everything.

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    • MintyAnt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Honeybees cant buzz pollinate for shit, lazy ass bee

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  • Kalysta@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s Bayer’s now. Monsanto sold it to Bayer when they started getting heat for neonicotinoids killing all the bees.

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  • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll hop in here and add that your locality probably does pesticide fogging/spraying. For what it is worth, you can ask them not you spray your property. Make some local wildflower patches in your yard. Less stuff you have to mow, more food and habitat for native birds and insects. It’s a win-win.

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    • MintyAnt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Native plant patches can also absorb some of the harmful crap like pesticides to a degree. It does help.

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• saltnotsugar@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I know it’s likely pesticides, but have we officially ruled out bee assassins?

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  • ceenote@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You mean wasps? They have been pretty quiet lately…

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  • brrt@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ah cmon now, stop spreading conspiracy theories. They probably just couldn’t prove citizenship and were deported.

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    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All those darn African killer bees! Stealing all the jobs!

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  • match@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i personally just think the bees are sentient and have depression

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  • Trimatrix@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Isn’t pesticides just bee assassination on a mass scale? Thus, I argue, we cannot not yet rule that out.

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  • garbagebagel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Idk, I heard that trans people and immigrants are murdering bees.

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• thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it’s the European honey bee that’s dying in unprecedented numbers

  but it’s not all bees

  European honey bees are the easy button for farmers but they are going to have to decide if pesticide is more important or not

  this nobody knows what’s happening is bullshit provided by the likes of the Monsanto and other chemical companies

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  • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They (save for a smarter minority) are 100% gonna decide that pesticides are more important. Until they learn they aren’t, but it will be too late.

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    • Rob1992@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The company that makes roundup and the GMO plants that can resist it will decide for them

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    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Say what you will about RFK, but he’s broken clock right on a couple of issues, pesticides being one of them. Sure, maybe his rationale isn’t right, but his end game may be a benefit. Unfortunately it’s at odds with Trump’s complete destruction of regulation, but he (RFK) seems to be chugging along. I think making America healthy is good; I don’t think pesticides or ultra processed foods make kids transgender.

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  • Redex68@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not too up to date with this story, but haven’t pesticides been used for forever now? Why would the suddenly cause a 80% drop in population?

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    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think bee populations are under threat from pesticides, habitat reduction, disease, climate change, nutrition, et cetera.

      Of that list, pesticides are probably the easiest to solve.

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    • 0tan0d@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not the same pesticides year over year. My bet is some MBA pushed a tweaked the formula for short term gains.

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    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      neonicotinoids were invited in the 1980s and it’s been recently understood that it’s like a forever chemical. it will get into the dirt and go through the plants and pass on through pollen

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Different pesticides?

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  • Flemmy@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Finedust from traffic, mircoplastics, insecticides, GMO infertile weeds… etc. Bayer ass well.

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    • Colloidal@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Haven’t you heard? Bayer and Monsanto are one. And Dow and Dupont have fused too. Together, Bayer-Monsanto and Dow-Dupont control over 60% of all grain seed production in the world. All your wheat, corn, rice… it’s all in the hands of these 2 companies.

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• BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I was worried so I looked for the source of the information, it seems to be from 'Washington State University" from their website they say it concerns “Commercial honey bee colony”, so it might not be all bees (I don’t know enough to say what the difference is exactly), they say “60 to 70% losses” (not 80), and they also say “Over the past decade, annual losses have typically ranged between 40 and 50%.”, so it is probably worrying but not as much as the CBS article was making it seem.

  Source: news.wsu.edu/…/honey-bee-colony-declines-grow-as-…

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  • xta@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    so worry but not panicking yet. gotcha, nothing will be done then.

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    • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Part of the panicking should be wild bees. They’re dying at accelerated rates.

      We also know why, commercial bee keeping is part of it, as is hobbies bee keeping.

      And pesticides… and monoculture farming.

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    • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t know whether you were satiric or not, but it feels like it, hard to tell on a text medium. No hard feelings either way 😄

      If you were “mocking my post in a satiric way”: I didn’t mean to say that nothing should be done or that it was not a reason to worry. I actually believe we should protect our ecosystems, but I think we need accurate data and this kind of posts, even if they convey the “right” message according to me, are misleading and create false information about what is going on. I truly believe we should try to avoid doing this.

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  • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This story is about domesticated honeybees, which have been declining for decades due to Colony Collapse Disorder and other stressors. Native North American bees are in their own long-term decline, with 1 in 4 species at risk of extinction. However, domesticated honeybees are tremendously important for the pollination and yield of many crops important to humans, and this population drop, thought to be the largest annual losses seen, should be considered in the context of the longer decline, and the possibility that we could hit a tipping point when pollination, and a crucial pillar of our food system, could fail.

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• rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I definitely don’t want to downplay a crisis, but I feel like I’ve been seeing headlines saying “all the bees are dying and we don’t know why” every year for nearly 20 years now.

  I’m no bee expert. Just seems to me, based on the headlines, bees would’ve been extinct 10 years ago.

  Some cursory searching led me to Colony Collapse Disorder which, apparently, has no agreed-upon cause. Apparently devastating losses to honey bee colonies started being reported around 1900. But it also mentions:

  In 2024, the United States Census of Agriculture reported an all-time high in commercial honey bee hives (mostly in Texas), making them the fastest-growing livestock segment in the country.[38]

  Link to the source cited there: https://archive.is/nfeb2

  Apparently last year saw the largest honey bee populations in US history. Though apparently that huge boom in honey bee population is a threat to other native pollinators, so I guess that presents its own unique problems.

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  • Jesus_666@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Usually, when people talk about bees dying, they mean wild bees. Unlike honey bees they aren’t cultivated by us. They also tend to be better pollinators than honey bees, adapted to local plants that honey bees can’t handle well.

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  • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The issue is OP is spreading misinformation. You‘re right, we haven‘t lost 80% of the bee population, because this was a hypothetical statement in the article saying it would have consequences if it happened.

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    • raod_guitar@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The person in the article says you can’t keep up the industry if 80% of the bees die every year.

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• bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s $15 billion worth of crops.

  They just can’t break out of that frame, even when the topic is EVERY LIVING THING FUCKING STARVING TO DEATH.

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  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But also

    “there are now an all-time high number of honeybee colonies in the US – 3.8m, around 1m more than five years previously.”

    According to the guardian

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  • CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We could always eat the rich.

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    • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Everybody says this. Nobody posts recipes.

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    • atx_aquarian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The inherent problem with that is how few there are.

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    • ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re hoarding all the wealth and and are a rich source of vitamins and minerals

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  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Think of the shareholders!

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is why we’re doomed.

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• can@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Actual link for those interested

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  • PixelatedCleric@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Best comment lmao

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    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The people need their ads (or whatever the reasoning is), show some compassion, in a few decades they’ll only be seeing the same Nuka Cola ad everywhere.

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  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also, bees usually survive cold winters, which could be a thought for last few months.

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• communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  honeybees are an invasive species, fun fact

  unfortunately they outcompeted a lot of the native pollinators so we’re fucked without them though

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  • stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    humans are a more invasive species, probably the most

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    • uienia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No “probably” about it.

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  • potpotato@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    psu.edu/…/native-bee-populations-can-bounce-back-…

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    • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bees are not the only native pollinators, though, plenty are extinct

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• Glifted@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Honey bees are dying but you can help native bees in your area. Find out what they like and plant that shit. Also just letting weeds grow helps a lot of species.

  I get leafcutter bees at my place as well as a few other solitary species

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• skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bees live less than two months, so if 80% of bees died in the last 8 months that would suggest a sharp recent increase.

  I’m not saying there isn’t a bee crisis, just that this factoid is very badly worded.

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• roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The running thought is these non-native European honeybees couldn’t find forage at the right times due to climate change and these massive commercial hives died.

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• F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Imma go out on a limb here and blame late stage Capitalism and some sort of pesticide or whatever that could solve the problem if it costed 5 cents more but the solution is to save that money and let the bees die.

  Imma take my chances on that.

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• The2b@lemmy.vg ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Remember that honey-producing bees are terrible pollenators compared to the specific pollenators who don’t produce honey. The honey producing bees being kept by everyone are artifically outcompeting the specific pollenators, which are what we really need to be supporting.

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• riodoro1@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  LETS KEEP PUMPING CAPITALISM UP

  NEW IPHONE WITH AI LETS GOOOOO

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• mrodri89@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Care about the environment? Great me too. Thats why im asking ya’ll to sign up for the General strike.

  Generalstrikeus.com

  Share it with your family, friends, social media.

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• Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The longer I live the more I see modern civilization collapse inevitable and happening in the relatively near future.

  How the fuck do you even prepare for something like that?

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• VampirePenguin@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Want to help? Plant pollinator gardens. Easy peasy. Even some pots of local wildflowers on your patio. It all helps.

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• donkeyass@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This doesn’t say 80% of the bees have died.

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• RaptorBenn@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We know why.

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• Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bees have been under assault for a while.

  It’s hive mites. The Varroa mite is going to wipe out all bees from the planet. And there’s not a damn thing we can do about it.

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• Ghosthacked@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Shame. The US is a beautiful country and psycho cult rednecks have let deregulation ruin such beautiful wilderness.

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• safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nowhere in the article does it say we lost 80% of the bee population. You are spreading misinformation

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• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m not a bee, you’re not a bee, so it sounds like a them problem.

  (On the internet, no one knows you’re a bee.)

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• WickedPissah@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Thanks for researching this! Still not good news for bees 🐝 😪

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• iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  make sure you retract words like bias and gender from your articles and they will come back. they are just extremely bigoted.

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• Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Imagine when we find out bees were the only thing holding it all together.

  Aaaaand, it’s over.

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• Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pesticides, same as always.

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• Dropper_Post@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  well if that is the case, humans can take pollinator job roles when AI will take their excel jobs.

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