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• Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  irm get.activated.win | irm

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• poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Obligatory comment that endorses pirating software. We need to make sure this stereotype about Lemmy remains accurate.

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• 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  FOSS software will win eventually. It may take time, but if good FOSS software is being built by enthusiasts then a time will come where proprietary software fucks up. And when it does, FOSS is ready to take it’s place. And as soon as FOSS has become a standard in some field, why would there ever be a need to go back to proprietary?

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  • futatorius@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    if good FOSS software is being built by enthusiasts

    LibreOffice is forked long ago from the extremely corporate OpenOffice effort, which in turn originated from the non-open-source Star Office. Not all FOSS comes from enthusiasts.

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    • 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      LibreOffice is forked long ago from the extremely corporate OpenOffice effort, which in turn originated from the non-open-source Star Office. Not all FOSS comes from enthusiasts.

      That’s a fair point. I would also be very much in favor of governments subsidizing certain FOSS projects. There’s a lot of work to be done, and people certainly deserve to be paid for it too.

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  • hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Maybe. I thought and fought for this from the 1990s on my own small ways with no luck and only to see the rise and rise of walled garden, proprietary, bullshit software.

    The issue is end users have the prescience of a gold fish, i have zero solutions to that.

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• M33@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  See it wasn’t that hard:

  • Common sense ? ⛔ IDGAF
  • Freedom ? ⛔ IDGAF
  • Privacy ? ⛔ IDGAF
  • Subscription ? ✅ Let’s crack this software or find something free instead

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• hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I managed to get my father in law to fully switch to libreoffice, which is in itself a great achievement, as he’s almost 70 and he used to be an msoffice user for most of his adult professional life.

  Libreoffice is just great and Europe should start backing and using more open source, non greedy corporate backed projects.

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  • Aimeeloulm@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hi, I hope you don’t mind me asking how you achieved this, my father is 79 and has Parkinsons with hearing problems, he’s deaf in one ear and partially in other ear, so he has personality issues, really can be stubborn and difficult to deal with, been having trouble getting him away from Microsoft products like Windows or Office, any ideas or advice be really helpful and appreciated, ty :o)

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    • shield_87@lemmy.eco.br ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, I’m not the person you asked for tips, but I wanted to drop my two cents.

      If he has many health issues, asking him to switch software at his age will be challenging, and requires a lot of patience. You could start wanting to show him with excitement, like, showing how cool it can be to try out something new. He might get easily overwhelmed if things work differently than what he’s used to, so try to guide him in that.

      but yeah, be very patient with him. I’m sure he’s got a lot on his plate already.

      Just keep making sure he’s getting the medical treatment he needs.

      I wish your family the best!

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    • hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, I guess there is no universal answer and it obviously can’t be some generic method of achieving this,but what I did was to explain in detail how MsOffice is basically just a standard because people made it so out of convenience and lack of true alternatives and it’s not cheap, plus whatever is made freely available by a corporation means it’s actually you paying with your data for it.

      It’s a process and you’d have to convince him to at least allow you to show them side by side or explain how it’s always up to date and you don’t have to throw money at it every x years just because it’s called MsOffice202x, because the benefits of upgrading are not worth the money.

      It ain’t easy, I know… but I am also providing support myself when requested, which can become a headache fast, especially with “difficult” people.

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• MetalMachine@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  European countries should adopt linux and these alternatives instead of paying for windows and Microsoft. Much more private too.

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• gargle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  LibreCalc and python for the win! I just love from bs4 import BeautifulSoup, import json, import re, import urllib.request.

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• MrSulu@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hopefully more of us make donations. Free is good, but it’s nice to contribute even small amounts to your well used FOSS apps

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• penpapernovel@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My biggest pet peeve is since it’s a suite rather than separate programs, there’s only one path for saving files that’s saved. So you can’t have Writer save to a different location from Calc automatically.

  As someone with a lot of files and folders, and a hatred of having to click around too much, this annoys the shit out of me. But I don’t think there’s any way around it because of how the program was created. It’s literally the one thing keeping me from switching.

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  • WasteWizard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can request features on their website! It’s called enhancement request, go and contribute :)

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  • wuphysics87@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Do you pin favorites? If you don’t, maybe that could help

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• CluelessCalls@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Microsoft is going to make the S, E, A, R, and . characters subscription only for $1.99 / month.

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  • Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So we’ll have to go to libre office to spell arse?

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    • CluelessCalls@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Correct, you can call Microsoft arse and any variant thereof for free on LibreOffice.

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• firepenny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Besides the jank, you can set up libreoffice inside a docker container and server it over https. There you now off cheap-ass MS365.

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  • bufalo1973@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s also a network version of LO.

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• sfu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Alaknar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can just imaging an AI tool going in the messing one little thing up, and it being near impossible to find the error.

    It doesn’t put formulas into the cells. It will write the formula for you, but you have to put it in yourself.

    Also, there’s versioning in Office, so your spreadsheet blowing up for whatever reason isn’t a problem at all - just roll back to the previous version of the file.

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    • sfu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • ngwoo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Excel is maybe the one place I can see AI being useful because lots of people can describe what they want a spreadsheet to do but not actually do it.

    I just wouldn’t trust it to do it right

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    • sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Which means you have to check each and every formula and we all now how difficult it is to read and understand excel formulas we didn’t write ourselves…

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  • TheGreyGhost@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not jazzed about AI in document editors and spreadsheet software because I’m dyslexic enough that I have trouble finding some big errors.

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• nul9o9@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I like LibreOffice, but I prefer Onlyoffice.

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• sirico@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Pandas killed VBA for me that was about the only reason I had to use an ms office suite

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• Legom7@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I have a job that involves working with spreadsheets. I have Librecalc at home and both Libre and MSOffice at work. I have also had a college course about using Excel specifically. Both really can do mostly the same things but because MS does everything in a specific (backwards) way, people trained on MS who are not otherwise “computer people” can’t cope with needing to unlearn and relearn. So the end result is paraprofessionals are locked in.

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  • LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I really enjoyed spreadsheets before becoming a programmer (I still enjoy them, I just spend less time on them) and basically self taught over the years using Google Sheets.

    There are several really useful functions on sheets that simply do not exist in Excel, and there are others that work almost the same but not quite. Having to use Excel drives me insane sometimes because of how clunky it feels.

    By contrast, using LibreCalc feels kinda how you’d expect an open source Google Sheets to feel? It’s slightly clunkier, but it gets the job done and generally feels better to use than Excel

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    • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve gone full circle

      Loved sheets, then hated them because we should just use a DB

      Now I do stuff in sheets with a tab explaining how I got the data because I can email it to someone and in 4 months it still answers their questions.

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• Jayk0b@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s like this meme:

  Alternative to Photoshop: Cracked Photoshop Alternative to Office: cracked office

  XD

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• lumony@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is it just me, or do new office features seem kinda pointless or unnecessary?

  I use libreoffice the same way I used microsoft office decades ago. Never really cared for ‘advanced’ or even ‘intermediate’ features because they are never necessary to what I’m doing.

  I can’t imagine that people who are more computer-illiterate than me getting significantly more involved in what should be simple and easy to use programs.

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  • canajac@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sometimes I think these little updates are just a ruse to upload our personal information without us knowing. I stopped auto-updating a few years ago and only update when the software is not running correctly or something new is introduced.

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  • GamingChairModel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is it just me, or do new office features seem kinda pointless or unnecessary?

    I feel like almost all the updates of the last two decades have been:

    • Security updates in a code base that was traditionally quite vulnerable to malware.
    • Technical updates in taking advantage of the advances in hardware, through updated APIs in the underlying OS. We pretty seamlessly moved from single core, 32-bit x86 CPU tasks to multicore x86-64 or ARM, with some tasks offloaded to GPUs or other specialized chips.
    • Some improvement in collaboration and sharing, unfortunately with a thumb on the scale to favor other Microsoft products like SharePoint or OneDrive or Outlook/Exchange.
    • Some useless nonsense, like generative AI.

    Some of these are important (especially the first two), but the user experience shouldn’t change much for them.

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    • Alaknar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Some useless nonsense, like generative AI.

      This is a very ignorant and prejudiced take.

      AI in Excel is an amazing feature that will help TONNES of people do what they never could It can design tables and write (but not insert) advanced formulas for the user.

      Sure, you could say “just be an Excel expert”, but - for example - my daily work is nowhere near Excel. Learning its advanced features would be a 100% waste of time, just to be able to prep a fancy chart every couple of years. So, instead, I can just ask Copilot to do that fancy thing for me, instead of wasting hours online, trying to figure out XLOOKUP, or some such.

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• trashboat@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve gradually been switching over. The UI is somewhat confusing in my experience- but the MSO UX+UI is consistently getting much, much worse as time passes

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• Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is a great news! I hope more people would use open-source software like Libreoffice.

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• sommerset@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Haven’t used ms products in a decade

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• PenyihirEmas@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Based

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• passenger@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sure, to avoid costs…

  They really don’t see the connection with the trade war, buy european movement, boycott america movement, trump presidency in general… Really? Or just the editor told them not to mention it?

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  • Trewtrew@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Came here to say this. The headline is misleading, the costs have been there for years. The thing that has changed are millions of Europeans and Canadians looking for American alternatives.

    There was another article I saw related to a massive drop (over 70%!) in bookings between Canada and the US. It didn’t mention the reason for the drop in bookings. Not sure why the media is so reluctant to cover the massive American boycotts that are underway at the moment, especially on articles covering the impact.

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  • gamer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re looking for enemies where there are none. I’m not a medical professional, but I assume this amount of paranoia is not good for your mental health and well-being. Just take the article for what it is: a win for free software

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    • passenger@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sure, it is a win. And thank you for the wise words.

      But to me it seems that many are looking to reduce dependency on US tech.

      Unfortunately, world is such state that a little paranoia is warranted. If Snowden was not a wakeup call, now I finally feel there is a real movement to try to reduce the dependency. Keep in mind that the US currently threatens EU with occupation of Greenland and sides with our enemy.

      But all that said, thank you again, kind stranger.

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  • Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As someone who has recently cancelled my Microsoft subscription and switch to libre office I can vouch that it was not the subscription cost that made me switch.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    None of those have much real impact outside internet noise compared to people seeing their bank accounts drain.

    I’ve been leaving corpo shit behind for years as a personal boycott, but even I found it much easier to invest time and effort moving off paid services than free ones because of a perceived material benefit beyond smug self-satisfaction.

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• orins@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  nice hahaha

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• Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hahahahaha nice

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• r3v79klo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Does it have the same shorcuts as microsoft excel?

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  • BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Many of them work the same. Fill down etc. Not sure about more obscure ones.

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  • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not sure but it’s free to download and try out

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• clot27@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I replaced MS Office with libreoffice on my dad’s PC and he didnt even noticed for months. Libreoffice is just better.

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  • CafecitoHippo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My only complaint is that tab is not an option to auto complete. It’s infuriating as someone who works in Excel all day for work and then has some things to do at home in a spreadsheet and I type =vlook tab and then it switches to the next column. Let me autocomplete the formula to the next input! And they don’t let you change it either. It’s the most infuriating thing. It’s why I refused to use LibreOffice for a while but the switch to Linux forced my hand. I like Libre Office more than Only Office.

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• gitamar@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Don’t forget to seed the torrents to help the servers. And donate if you can ✊🏻

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  • mr_pip@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    what version(s) are best to help out? Windows 64 bit?

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    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Probably, yes. You would assume the influx of users was mostly windows users.

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  • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good idea. I’ll add it to my seedbox.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Very few people will actually know how to do that.

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    • gitamar@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Donating is easy, just follow the url on the homepage. /s

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    • goodthanks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, but millenials have been doing it since we were kids. It’s not that hard, just embrace the joy of naughty computing.

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• snek_boi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you’re going to download it, try the torrent option! That way, you can give back to the community that gives you LibreOffice.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Had no idea there was a torrent for it on its own. I always get it with apt.

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• sudoer777@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you’re a nerd, also check out Typst and LaTeX. Being able to format your documents with pure code is awesome, and you can also define functions for different things, import libraries to generate graphs, and write comments that don’t show up in the document.

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  • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    LaTeX is great for documents, mediocre for slides, questionable for spreadsheets, useless for mail and calendar.

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Awesome, it does great at what it was designed to do. And it even does mediocre at things it was not designed to do. It even does incompetently things that aren’t anywhere in its code? Amazing piece of tech.

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  • Waldemar@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My entires student time was with LaTex. Unable to write and format things in MSWord.

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  • Clandestine@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have used latex a lot with overleaf, but I’d like to try using an offline version. Do you have any tips?

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    • sudoer777@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Personally I use a Guix template I made which downloads necessary libraries and the LSP and pins the software versions, and I use the Helix text editor for editing. Not sure what the more common methods are.

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    • BlushedPotatoPlayers@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Kile used to be great, probably still is

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    • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I used TexStudio for my Master’s thesis, it worked fine for me. I haven’t done a full survey of available LaTex distributions though :-)

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    • iamkindasomeone@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just to throw in some other options: you can easily convert basically anything to latex (and ultimately to Pdf) using pandoc. For instance, if you use Zettlr as your markdown editor, you can also use a citation software (eg., Zotero) and quickly invoke it using the @ character. Then, you can write your documents in Markdown and inline Latex and create a Latex-powered Pdfs via pandoc. I use this approach to write scientific papers and it works pretty well.

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• HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I just don’t understand how they jumped from version 7 to 24 …

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    because seven ate nine through twenty-thres

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  • Pringles@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    x 3 + 3 obviously.

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    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not x 4 - 4

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