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Technofascists really benefit from certain kinds of information being inaccessible…
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Submitted 3 months ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 months ago
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
fascists really love LLM’s. like ridiculously in love with them. it’s where all their ‘art’ comes from. it’s made of the shallow aesthetics with no interiority they love so much. plus it doesn’t really require articulating your desires much, or having artists.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 months ago
To borrow Alex Jones’ term - it is information warfare. Train people to accept the outputs of LLMs, attack media literacy (in conjunction with the fact that public schools in the US spent ten years not teaching children how to read), and hide actual sources.
You can have your LLM trained to weasel around the fact that the chattel slavery of black Americans was the primary cause of the Civil War, or falsely represent science surrounding gender and sexuality (they’re explicitly tuning Grok on this).
You don’t have to worry about subversive messages on war or women in your “AI” generated “Ghibhli” film. Have all the fun space faring of Star Wars, without the prequel geopolitics everyone hated until they saw it happen.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They did that long before AI.
Google, Apple and plenty others have regular meetings with defense people to accomodate them.
No surprise Eric Schmit left Google to form a defense company since some employees there had a consciense and didn’t like working on killer drone programs.
Majorllama@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Would this be the same AI that spits out incorrect summarys or just flat out gets data incorrect constantly? What could possibly go wrong by making that the ONLY way to look for things going forward. Fucking morons.
wjrii@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I recently had a dream that involved a suburb of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I have never been to Green Bay Wisconsin. I know it as a rather small city that is the home to the Green Bay Packers, an administratively anachronistic NFL team that draws a large plurality of its fan base from the greater Milwaukee area. Off the top of my head, I don’t know if Green Bay has “suburbs” in the usual American sense at all.
I googled the name of this completely nonexistent community, along with the words “Green Bay,” and the AI very confidently hallucinated it into existence, describing it as a lovely shopping and residential area just over the bridge of the same name.
Majorllama@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yup. No problem though. In the future AI can just add the now very real town to you AR eyeballs brought to you by Chipotle Exxon and T mobile.
Artyom@lemm.ee 3 months ago
No, this will be the AI that ignores your content and just spits out sponsored content. AI doesn’t really have to be involved much, but if it is, Google doesn’t have to pay up when you file a class action lawsuit for misleading content because they can say “It’s not our fault, thr AI did it.”
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I am no longer feeling lucky
MyOpinion@lemm.ee 3 months ago
The future is coming and it sure looks like garbage. I have long since left Google behind.
balder1991@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s been a long time I use DuckDuckGo for common searches (which let’s be honest, more than 80% is just a simple query to find a certain area of some website, like “Firefox download Windows”). If I want to search something more related to my own language or recent events in my county, Google is a must, but that’s like 10% of all my search engine usage. I don’t really need Google to know about the other 90%.
spacesatan@leminal.space 3 months ago
I had to ditch ddg when they started injecting my vpn’s geoip as a search term in almost every search. It was to the point where I could literally be including an actual city and state as a search term and I would mostly get results for the vpn’s location. Naturally there is no option to disable this behavior.
Startpage is nice though.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Yeah I think most of my searches start with the name of the site I want results from.
Djfok43@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why is everything shit
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Capitalism. Next question…
i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 3 months ago
Hmm, in theory I don’t have a problem with an AI telling me the answer to my question or whatever I’m searching for - but this isn’t a web search. If I’m actually searching for a particular page or context, then I want to be able to do that.
These are two entirely different things, and if Google goes down this route they aren’t a search engine anymore - they are an LLM provider.
voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Couldn’t agree more. I use both tools as they have their place, but when I want a search engine, I don’t want to get an AI answer for the result. Like if I’m searching for documentation on something, what benefit would the AI provide me over just giving the link?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yes, the problem is that the place for LLM “search results” is the garbage can.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Rooty@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m decrepit enough to remember pre-Google web, with competing search engines. Bring back webrings!
KreekyBonez@lemmy.world 3 months ago
sometimes you just gotta ask Jeeves
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The fact that Ask Jeeves isn’t an AI-only search engine is just beyond me. It was laughable that someone thought to personify a search engine 25 years ago, but now is pretty much the right time for that.
Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Altavista baby.
OverTheFiniteSun@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Please! We need more competition for Google.
oh_@lemmy.world 3 months ago
AI is over hyped and doesn’t need to be shoved in our faces. Ugh.
kautau@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s another tech bubble like the dot com bubble. But at this point, the AI bubble, the crypto bubble, and the capitalism bubble will all crash at the same time as the world economy falls apart and we end up in another global war. I guess the accelerationists that survive will get their wish and see what remains and if it’s the neofuedalist white supremacy utopia they dream of
hark@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Stick to SEARCH, not making shit up (euphemistically called “hallucinating”).
LWD@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Is this for human beings, or is it for Google to show their investors to prove that AI is totally going to revolutionize something eventually?
Screw Google either way, I’m not going to use their search engine either way, but this doesn’t feel like a product they are genuinely committed to releasing. Maybe I’m wrong, and in that case, screw them even more.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Who asked for this?
Psythik@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Unlike most of Lemmy, I actually like AI and even I don’t want this.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
startpage. you’re welcome.
it’s also not us owned or based.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 months ago
Startpage is owned by System1 who are based in LA.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Well you already said I’m welcome, but thank you anyway.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is my choice
LinPing1976@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Unfortunately it’s been sold to the US.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
well that’s not good :/ sigh
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
But start page just returns Google and Bing results. If Google stops offering it, then you’re left w/ Bing. Microsoft has its own AI thing going, so if Google kills search, so will Microsoft.
Apoplexy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
How many cases of “You should eat at least one small rock per day” AI bullshit does Google think is acceptable for production deployment?
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 months ago
More than zero, which is too many for my taste.
negativeone@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I was just dealing with a plumbing problem the other day, and I was like, “I know, I’ll ask AI!”
Basically everything it told me was completely wrong.
Sizbang@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Wait…you shouldn’t be doing that? Damnit! What am I going to do with the small rock mine I just bought?!
absentbird@lemm.ee 3 months ago
The AI suggests painting it and adding it to a garden as decoration.
jaemo@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Wait, google does searches now too? Wow they have a service for everything.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 3 months ago
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Dear Google,
Literally no one wants this.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I don’t need to care. I stopped using Google search months ago.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The model uses “advanced reasoning, thinking, and multimodal capabilities”…
Well, LLM’s are incapable of actually doing the first two, so we’re already off to a great start.
I don’t think it’s much in the way of hyperbole to say that if they make this the default or worse, only search output option that this will be the thing that literally destroys the company.
No one except idiotic boardroom denizens actually wants this. Google failing to provide actual search results is the singular one and only thing that could actually get users to switch away from using it and not just talk. And if no one is searching on Google then nobody is seeing ads on Google, which means Google will not be selling adds.
I will laugh so hard if this happens.
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
I hate this.
grepe@lemmy.world 3 months ago
thinking google is about offering you a quality search at this point is like thinking facebook is about improving your social experience. they both started like that and that’s how they hooked people up. but they have their own interests now. those interests revolve around affecting how people act and think. one central thing they need to do to fulfil those interests is controlling what people see and know… and that’s very hard to do when this pesky external content generated by other that is hard to control gets into way…
GaMEChld@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I mean their search results have gone to absolute shit anyway, the AI is probably better at this point.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 3 months ago
Ok, but why should I go to Google for ai answers when I can get the same from openai without all the ads?
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 3 months ago
(´ཀ`」 ∠)
luce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
whispers searxng…
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 months ago
Been using Ecosia for months now. DuckDuckGo and Startpage before that. I’m pretty happy with Ecosia search results, can’t complain.
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Oh wow sounds great, can I get in line now to not use it?
static_radio@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Is there any escape from shitty AI slop in my search results?
What search engines are there that I can use that arent a proxy for one of the big ones? And yes I know about Kagi, I’d prefer open source if possible.
singletona@lemmy.world 3 months ago
When I use a web search tool I want to look at the websites themselves. Not having to go through Gemini (the AI not the protocol) telling me what IT thinks I want…
Assuming AGI ever develops and bothers to sift through data. I’ve no problem with AI as a tool (that is, Dumb AI like we currently have.)
When I’m doing a web search rather than actually calling up Gemini (The AI not the Protocol) I want a WEB SEARCH… that means I am not looking to use AI. I’m wanting to use OI (Organic Intelligence.)
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Kagi. But you free loaders would have to pay for something.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Does EVERY axis in the world have to be fucked up at the same time?
Can we have one thing that is just doing ok?
Government - fucked.
Education - fucked.
Healthcare - fucked.
Environment - fucked.
Societal and Social Cohesion - fucked.
Wealth Inequality - fucked.
Personal Technological Autonomy - fucked, and under continuous attack.
Technological Enshittification - Running like gangbusters. So really - fucked.
Damn, someone give me some kind of ladder to climb out of this pit of despair.
Feyd@programming.dev 3 months ago
Every single one of these flows from wealth inequality.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Excellent point!
grue@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They also flow from corruption (regulatory capture/failure to enforce anti-trust law). It’s hard to say whether that is itself a cause or result of wealth inequality, though.
xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
(and reinforces it)
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 months ago
No.
singletona@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The ladder has been privatized.
You get the greased pole.
I know it isn’t much, but services like mastodon, lemmy, kbin, friendica, Peertube, etc have shown me there is connected pushback.
Tilde communities have given me something smaller scale to focus on.
tildeverse.org
kat@orbi.camp 3 months ago
The heck os tilde??
shalafi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Every civilization rises and falls. We’re on the down slope ATM. Sorry. The 80s and 90s were pretty nice in America!
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 months ago
That feel when the Matrix actually called it
slumberlust@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Problems exist, but there’s never been a safer time to be a homosapien on Earth. A book called Abundance helped me gain a little perspective in these gloomy days.
knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
safety because more people are alive? but also most dangerous because more people die daily than at any other time
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Thanks, I’ll check it out, though it’s going to take more than motivational books to pull the US out of the current nosedive…
balder1991@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Also Homo Deus.
TheBat@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m from India so two more things to add to the list
Air - fucked.
Cleanliness - megafucked.
Petter1@lemm.ee 3 months ago
And yet, resistance seems very weak…
mhague@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s weird – we water our soil with nutrients like “there’s no point in voting”, “they’re all out to get us”, “politicians are shit”, “nothing changes”, “governments are bad”.
I wonder why people haven’t been motivated to fight. Whenever they express faith in our leaders, or institutions, or have any positivity, we’re quick to shut them down. But still.
(Why would people motivated to fight hang out online where everyone has a reason why trying is pointless?)
negativeone@lemmy.world 3 months ago
People need hope to fight. We’ve become so black-pilled about everything that many people think it’s impossible for anything to improve.
It’s a reminder about why we need balance. Yes, there are a lot of problems. But not everything is fucked. There’s still a propose to fighting for a better future.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yes. There are many texts written on this since start of writing, some are written down from what was carried in word before that since start of speaking.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Don’t forget about housing! Can’t even have shelter from the elements without paying through the nose to some rent-raising billionaire or giant corporation…
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Updated! :)
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Time to turn inside. Whatever around you gets fucked, essentially no one can order you “be miserable”. If this one thing gets fixed a hundred percent your way, the rest is just a question of what you can do and how much of that you are willing to do
But does it seem a very long road to become fully in control of own interiority.
I did not come up with this on my own, just picked if uo from someone else, but can’t argue with it