China is quietly pushing ahead with massive 50,000Mbps broadband rollout to leapfrog rest of the world on internet speeds

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• empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  50gbps **shared line using passive optical splitters. Bit misleading there Chona, nobody is getting an actual 50gbps connection to their house.

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  • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Getting real tired of these „China is 30 years ahead of us“ clickbait headlines on an almost daily basis. They‘re always completely overblown and sadly really warp the public perception of the country and their government.

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  • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m sure the hardware for 50Gbps optics wouldn’t be cheap for the consumer 🤣

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    • will_a113@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The “innovation” in the article is passive tech for fiber to the room (FTTR), specifically made to be low cost and easier to implement. It’s also how your computer might get that 50Gbit - it’ll have to be wired in with a fiber connection. It’s not happening over WiFi (or even Ethernet)

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    • cybersin@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Enterprise adopted 100GbE networking around 2019. You can now buy used network cards for around $100 each.

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  • kalleboo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most residential fiber currently is GPON with a 2 Gbps shared line using passive optical splitters, split up to 32 ways. Raising that shared line to 50 Gbps is a great upgrade.

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    • Subdivide6857@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It sounds like 50 gig PON is the next logical step. We’ve deployed XGSPON, which is 10x10 Gbps shared between whatever splitter you want to use(anywhere from like 8 way to 128, we generally use 32 way splitters), and we’re testing equipment that will supposedly be supported to 100Gbps PON. Things are moving quickly!

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  • M137@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Chona”

    Hahah.

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its not that out of this world, though it is currently completely unneccessary. 10gb+ has been somewhat common residentially for years.

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  • nopermissions@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’re over here talking about 50Gb XGS-PON for residential like anyone is actually going to use it. I bet their end users will still complain about slow speeds.

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• diffusive@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Written in Switzerland from my 25GBps symmetric connection (for like 60$/month) that I have for a couple of years 🤷‍♂️

  Also for personal use the difference between 1Gbps and 25 (or, I guess, 100GBps) is essentially zero… your everyday connection is via WiFi (good luck to get more than 1GBps there) or on a home server/NAS/workstation where likely you run batch jobs where the difference between 1 minute or 5 minutes is not a huge deal (and yes I am not saying 1 vs 25 because at that speed generally the bottleneck is the place where you are getting data from)

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  • lemmyingly@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have a 40Mbps down, 5Mbps up connection for $30. Consider yourself as real lucky.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, I was on that until the other week, when my area finally got upgraded to 1Gbps.

      It’s nice for big downloads (and with game sizes what they are now, that bit is a big difference), but for regular use? Not really a vast change. It’s nice that your bandwidth doesn’t suddenly vanish when one of your unattended devices decides to wake up and download a 20GB update for a game you haven’t played in months I guess.

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    • diffusive@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I do 🙂

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    • ThermonuclearCactus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      lol I have 3Mbps down .5 up for 40$

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Interesting–when I made a similar argument on Reddit some years ago, networking geniuses assured me that they needed more than 1Gbps to play lag-free games. This on /r/programming, no less.

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    • Subdivide6857@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Lol! 10Mbps is usually more than enough.

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    • Opisek@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      /r/programming

      There’s your culprit

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  • kalleboo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have symmetrical 10 Gbps at home ($30/mo) and I’ll agree. When it’s nice when you have big updates, for most households 1 Gbps is going to be just fine. As you say, the vast majority of users are bottlenecked by Wi-Fi.

    The bigger crime are all the asymmetrical connections that people on technologies like Cable TV networks have, where you get 1-2 Gbps down but only something tiny like 50 Mbps up. This results in crappy video calls, makes off-site/remote backups unfeasible, etc etc.

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    • imouto@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you get 1-2 Gbps down but only something tiny like 50 Mbps up

      That’s exactly what you get in Australia, even if you have FTTP, 95% of ISPs only offer up to 1000/50Mbps, and that’s if you live in the big cities. Mine costs ~US$70/mo btw. And they have a ‘typical evening speed’ that drops to 860/42Mbps (I’ve never heard of such a concept outside Australia. Yeah, totally not a scam).

      A handful ISPs offer 1000/400Mbps and you’ll be looking at ~US$125/mo. Anything faster you’ll be handed with astronomical commercial bills.

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    • ftbd@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Do you actually have 10G switches and network cards, or is everything behind your router on 1G?

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  • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    data drive arrays are so fucking slow

    I swear to god! half of my job at work is waiting for the platter drives to give the data to the solid state arrays on the other side of a fiber connection

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Also doesn’t help that SMB is single threaded. Completely mismatched for the era of multicore processors and SSDs.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Plus what consumer can even support higher bandwidth? Computers are starting to come with 2.5G Ethernet, switches are coming down in price but still pretty expensive for home use (and complex), and any existing wiring is likely close to topped out.

    For anything faster, you’re all too likely to need enterprise equipment for a lot more money and a lot more complexity.

    I’ve briefly considered updating to faster internet but

    • I don’t have a rational need
    • I’d have to replace switches and wiring
    • I don’t have the time to commit
    • even building a file server that can sustain that bandwidth is a challenge

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  • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m sure I have the same ISP as you, but so far I didn’t splurge to buy 10G or 25G gear.

    If you don’t mind telling, what router and switches did you go for?

    Or did you go the Michael Stapelberg route?

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    • diffusive@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Kinda, yeah. Gaming workstation + Network card (and optics) from fs.com + Nixos.

      This setup has the benefit that my workstation has also all possible bandwidth. Services run in nixos containers (that are awesome!) for isolation from the routing.

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  • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not to mention the server is the bottleneck at that point. I have access to 2.5Gb/2.5Gb but only pay for 500/500 because, even that is faster than most servers, and of course all the mobile devices aren’t pushing more than 400 on WiFi.

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• PhAzE@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s a bunch of places in the US that has 10 Gbps speed, so this jump to 50 Gbps is not too shocking. Writing it as 50,000 Mbps to make it seem huge is an interesting take.

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  • MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s so incredibly annoying when people use smaller order of magnitude descriptors simply so they can then write more zeros. A good chunk of the time too it feels like it’s done to distract from a different point or to exaggerate without technically lying.

    Doesn’t help that technical jargon is only best used when communicating with someone in that field or understands it. Big number + alphabet soup always seems scary 😞

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m just pretty sure my fiber vendor offers 10Gbps service but I’ve never had reason to check whether they offer it here. There app is not responding so I can’t verify …. They are better at fiber service than maintaining an app.

    Personally I think gig fiber is the current sweet spot:

    • price has come down a lot
    • very low latency
    • high reliability
    • more than enough for most people

    It’s technically overkill for most people but a huge benefit is it works. For everything. Cable tends to be way over-provisioned for plus asymmetrical and higher latency, so you won’t get the bandwidth you pay for, uploads will be slow, and latency may hit you while gaming or streaming. Most of the time it will be good enough but you will hit glitches, buffering.

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  • Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It will be in 10 years when a majority of their country has access to it. Industrialization in China is on a different level.

    In less than 25 years they will take the top spot for global economy, and likely everything else.

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    • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      China will be lucky if they still exist as a single unified nation. Demographics, employment, debt, over built property market, over dependence on manufacturing exports, energy import dependence, food import dependence.

      They have a number of very strong headwinds that could very well cause the failure and break up of the CCP in the next twenty years.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yep, and in ten years, we’ll still be arguing absolute it whether dsl counts as “broadband”

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  • shasta@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Worse than that, from the article:

    The 50G-PON ITU-T standard supports theoretical speeds of up to 50 Gbps downstream and up to 25 Gbps upstream, though current real-world deployments in China - led by China Telecom, its regional branch Shanghai Telecom, and ZTE - typically provide 10 Gbps all-optical access.

    So the 50G number is just theoretical and actual real world speed is only 10G. Due to regulations in the US, advertisements would need to advertise the real speeds. So this is really just the same as 10Gbps anywhere else.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wait, there are regulations about advertising true speed? Does ComCast know?

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    • PhAzE@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yep, which makes alarmist articles like this ridiculous.

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• Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Man, real countries are doing this shit while the US is doing an illegal war on the thought crime of being"woke".

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  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    China has this covered hands down. If you say Winnie, two mean looking Chinese men appear behind you.

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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Horses are fucked in China.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not just this, I’m not sure if they checked about LGBT rights in China.

      From outside the first world Trump and his supporters look scandalist, loud, corrupt and incompetent. Which is sad. But they don’t seem fascist most of the time.

      Anyway, if we take Putin, he’s done many things, one thing he’s consistently never done is say antisemitic or easily recognizable fascist things. There is some popularity of Ivan Ilyin around him, who is a Russian emigrant fascist philosopher, though (who apparently wanted to fix problems with Mussolini and the own such “thinkers” of the White movement, except he was on the dumber side, so compared to his writings Mein Kampf seems intellectually elegant).

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, one thing at a time

      /s

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• mlg@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  AT&T still hasn’t installed fiber in my old neighborhood where one of their lines cuts straight through a row of houses that conveniently do get fiber, while everyone else is stuck on cable.

  Did I mention they received billions in federal funding to upgrade everyone?

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So they received money for something they didn’t do. They should pay those back.

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    • FPSXpert@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      American companies being welfare queens, imagine that.

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    • MisterD@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But someone at AT&T would have to sell their yatch

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      lol

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We already have private 100gbps in Australia and our public network just trialled it last year so rollout is expected this year.

  Why is anyone celebrating 50gbps? I can’t imagine Australia is anywhere near leading here.

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  • ngcbassman@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Come on mate, internet in Australia is pretty shit after the NBN fiasco. Let me know when any of those those 100gbps lines reach 1gbps xD.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      ?

      www.techradar.com/best/best-nbn-1000-plans

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  • Nfamwap@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is for PON technology. 1 fibre can be split 32-ways to feed, you guessed it, 32 customers. 50g over a fibre that is split 32-ways with a minimum of 15db loss is impressive.

    I guarantee those 100gbps circuits are a single fibre all the way from the provider to the customer. And they are expensive, very expensive.

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    • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wonder if they use semiconductor optical amplifiers in the receivers, or if they can make do with avalanche photodiodes.

      The 100G stuff I’m looking at has 18.5 dB budget with APDs, that seems rough considering you want a few kilometers of fiber, a few splices and a few connectors (probably LC/APC) as well.

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  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This would be for a business, surely? I can’t imagine any individual having a use case for those speeds.

    I can get 8 gigabit symmetrical if I want to, but I don’t.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s up to the ISPs what plans they sell. But cost wise it would be so prohibitive that only a business would buy it for the first few years for sure.

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• paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Those will be some hot NICs.

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  • essteeyou@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is there a community for that? Asking for a friend.

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• Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why do I care? Why it need to be so fast?

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Decades ago…

    “Why do I need electricity? I have candles. Lights seem excessive.”

    Yes, but once most people have electricity, new products will be designed to take advantage of it. Now you can have a washing machine, for example.

    Broadband is the same. Once most of your population has high bandwidth, we can start to design things that will use it. Right now we’re still designing for DSL speeds.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are diminishing returns. Unless you’re going to host your own YouTube, the use case for 50Gbps connections to the home is quite small. 4K video streaming at Ultra HD Blu-ray bitrates doesn’t even come close to saturating 1Gbps, and all streaming services compress 4K video significantly more than what Ultra HD Blu-ray offers. The server side is the limit, not home connections.

      Now, if you want to talk about self-hosting stuff and returning the Internet to a more peer-to-peer architecture, then you need IPv6. Having any kind of NAT in the way is not going to work. Connection speed still isn’t that important.

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes but have you considered China bad?

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So I’m just going to be a completely different person once I have access to these speeds or you are suggesting new tech that will be made available to consumers?

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    360 VR experience with 16K resolution, highly textured touchable surfaces, and smell-o-vision. Only a $40 Meta subscription with ads.

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    • realharo@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Latency is much more critical than bandwidth for any sort of real-time VR.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      . Only a $40 Meta subscriptio

      I tried to upload some 8k 360 footage to FB before I left it “We’re sorry, but an error has occurred”

      Tried over several days, no good. tried again a month later, still no good.

      Camera is more or less useless if you can’t host the footage anyway :/

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  • wabafee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not fast it’s more of more bandwidth, means more people can be connected from one line. Speed will remain the same.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    For me, the normal stuff. Mathematically my gig fiber is overkill for my usage. And internet services can rarely keep up with that - you want to download some update or new game? It’s throttled at the source regardless of your internet connection

    But in reality when I visit people with “fast enough” internet, I always see glitches and buffering and lag. While it usually serves the need and sometimes gets advertised bandwidth, gig fiber always serves the need. I shouldn’t have to complain about my network or worry about how many streams or how big a download or how many people on their phones. I should never worry about lag during games or interrupted video calls. And I shouldn’t have to worry about sketchy broadband providers (like xFinity/ConCast) way over provisioning their lines or otherwise never delivering marketed bandwidth.

    Gig fiber delivers. Always. Like any good infrastructure you don’t even have to think about it: it just always does the job

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• drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Chinese infrastructure developing is truly impressive. I guess that’s one benefit of being in an imperial dictatorship.

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  • burgersc12@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They are ostensibly a one party state, not a dictatorship. While Xi is the paramount leader, he claims he isn’t a dictator and I totally believe him.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They are ostensibly a one party state, not a dictatorship.

      This sentence feels so Soviet.

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  • einlander@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It feels like they are using this presidency to get as far ahead as they can.

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• boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Meanwhile, Telia in Estonia: “The Estonian customer doesn’t prioritize connection speeds or prices, that’s why we don’t need to offer competitive speed/price ratios compared to what we have in other European countries”

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  • ZiemekZ@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seems surprising, especially because Estonia is known for its digitized government. I logically thought that it’d be complemented with decent Internet coverage.

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• jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would rather have 50,000,000,000bps

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  • JabbaTheThott@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bigger Number = Better

    The math is mathing correctly

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• cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So 50Gbps internet.

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  640kb should be enough for anybody.

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• Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But it’s not like the Chinese government to provide that kind of service out of kindness.

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  BRB moving to China

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• synicalx@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Very cool and they should keep doing this, but no one’s CPE is going to be able to do anywhere near this speed unless they plan on giving everyone large enterprises routers for home use.

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• qevlarr@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  ‘quietly’

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• essteeyou@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, at least they’re doing it quietly.

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• Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Because everyone there uses the Internet?

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What would anyone need 50Gb for?

  Like seriously, what would that get you what you can’t do now?

  My local Network adapter isn’t half that fast

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s cool, but all the important stuff doesn’t take much.

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