Flohmarkt - a Fediverse replacement for Facebook Marketplace

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• axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The name has already made this nonviable for the average person

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  • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We have to stop sending end users to software solutions for web admins. We don’t send them yo “nginx” or “apache”, after all.

    Someone throw up a website using this software and give the site a sensible name, and then direct users to that website.

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    • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Flohcebook Marktplace

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    • shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You wanna pay for that hosting? No? Okay then.

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  • maniclucky@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s not that bad. It’s just German for flea market. And English speakers shouldn’t have an issue with at least “Markt”. Not far from a cognate.

    Definitely better names but I think the bigger hurdle is getting the critical mass to get something like marketplace to work in the fediverse even with the perfect name.

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    • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yep. It’s kind of annoying when people see everything through an “english” lense and assume anything that isn’t made to work for english speakers won’t work…

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      But telling a friend about this starts with the name. Simple names are easier. And that would just start with making it short. Single syllable being best.

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      what some people don’t get is that “flea market” is also a bad name. floh just makes it look and sound worse and it’s harder to parse let alone understand and therefore remember.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      german looks notoriously complicated for people who dont speak it

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  • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Does it? If you set up an instance for your local community/city/whatever, and name it something that makes sense for your intended userbase, I think it would be fine.

    It goes from “I sold my couch on FlohMarkt” to “I sold my couch on Local Ottawa Marketplace” for the ‘normies’ out there. They’re not going to care about the underlying software so long as their couch gets sold.

    Do recommend a DIY local advertising strategy if trying to get something like this running, though - posters at IRL flea markets, adverts in small community papers for antiques and collectibles, crossposts/links to postings on stuff like MaxSold/Kijiji/Craigslist/GumTree/FB Marketplace/[insert online marketplace operating in your area],that kind of thing.

    Focus on the current primary use case of centralized marketplace services (buying shit from your neighbours), then introduce the “Oh yeah, we’ve also set it up so you can see postings on Local Toronto Marketplace, Local Kingston Marketplace, Marché Local de Montréal” etc. from there.

    I really, really think talking to people in terms of specific instances over the overarching platform/protocol is a way around ‘normie’ confusion about the Fediverse when first trying it, then getting exposure to how it works in practice will help them understand the nitty gritty stuff better. Is this problematic in some cases, like with Lemmy? A little bit, yeah. For something like FlohMarkt? I think less so.

    (‘normie’ in quotes 'cause I’m not the biggest fan of the term, but it’s a useful shorthand)

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    • a14o@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      This! It’s just the name of the software, not sure why everyone’s getting so worked up about it.

      I think it’s a brilliant use case for federation, hope this sees some adoption!

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  • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    SPEAK

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    • Speiser0@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Germans speak or not as ör out. When you us imitate want, then make it pleasly right!

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  • Shard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I can’t understand why every other fediverse name is so stupid as to be off putting to the average user.

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    • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      • Lemmy is no better or worse than Reddit
      • Pixelfeed is significantly better than Instagram
      • Mastodon is much worse than Twitter

      Seems to me pretty much an even spread of how good the names are

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  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Oh look, the Queen of Naming has spoken! Everything should just be named “Facebook something” or “Twitter that”.

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      wow what an interesting sarcastic remark about something the op never said.

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    • Suoko@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      iMarket is better? gStore? 銷 !

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  • anzo@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    “Facebook” is an equally alienating name if you don’t know English. But I agree, German is difficult!

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  • beeng@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Uber.

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      it’s not that it’s German (or whatever), it’s that it looks gibberish. it’s incredible how little this is understood.

      Uber is an easily read, easily pronounced, widely understood, positive suggesting trochee. it’s a perfect brand name.

      flohmarkt 0 for 5.

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• Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  God… remember how fucking simple craigslist was when it hit it’s peak? The fact that Grandpa could take a shaky flip phone picture and post a thing you needed right around the corner, no fat or other frivolous horseshit…

  Craigslist is still simple last I checked, but the user base left and now dominated by spam from retail and drop shippers masquerading as local people selling goods from their garage.

  Nothing gold can stay

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  • nyamlae@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At least when I used Craigslist, there was no social network element to it, so it was difficult to determine the trustworthiness of any given poster.

    For that reason, I don’t want a Fediverse clone of Craigslist – I want an existing Fediverse platform to add a marketplace. I will not use anonymous marketplaces.

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    • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If you feel any kind of meaningful trustworthiness from a Facebook profile, you’ve probably got some other things to worry about…

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    • shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      “I will not use anonymous marketplaces.”

      “I won’t take cash, either” vibes

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    • AlreadyDefederated@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What if you could log in with your Mastodon (or other) Fediverse account, and they would too, so you could see their user history and connections? (And they could see yours)

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    • endofline@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You can use gpg signatures

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Idk. It’s still got some uses. My dad got a bunch of industrial refrigerator panels for stupid cheap off Craigslist like 6 months ago.

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    • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yeah, you can still get something from the odd crank, but used to be much more practically useful for day to day needs.

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• IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Great idea. I just wonder how Flohmarkt is read by non-Germans. Anyone want to state their opinion, their initial experience seeing the word, on that?

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  • Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think an English localization as ‘Flowmarkt’ or ‘Flowmarket’ might be more catchy in English-speaking countries, since the intended pronunciation for ‘Flohmarkt’ isn’t clear at a first glance.

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    • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Why would English be objectively better than German?

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  • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I read it as being pronounced something like “flow-marked”

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    • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      yeah, it’s quite close

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  • twistypencil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Initial impressions of the name are not great.

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  • Barbarian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Non-German but I am in the EU. Didn’t find it odd at all. Just assumed it was “flow market” in German.

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    • maniclucky@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Close. It’s flea market.

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  • nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Indonesian here.

    Indonesian have highest trilingual population in the world, and our country regularly import foreign pop media, like from Japan, China, Turkiye, French, Argentine, and so on.

    That name seems cool and we will never have problem with it.

    In fact, a lot of FOSS software in Asia almost always use local language or pop culture reference for their project. Whether it’s in Chinese, Persian, Hindi, Javanese, Japanese, and so on.

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  • aleq@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Swede here, see no issue with the name. I’ll just ignore the h when pronouncing though.

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    • pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      That’s what you should do anyway, the h simply elongates the o

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  • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    “flow market”

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  • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Definitely weird on first reading. New names often seem weird or dumb at first so maybe I’ll just get used to it. Anglicizing it might make sense? Fleamarkt?

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  • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    My American brain wants to read it as “FlowMart”, or “Flowmark”. Neither of which I have a problem with.

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    • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Which is also reasonably close to the German pronunciation (which is something like Flo-marked to an English speaker)

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  • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I forgot its spelling the moment i scrolled past it.

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  • Kierunkowy74@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pole here.

    A federated MediaMarkt. Or at least something with shopping, selling something. Definitely a German product. Should be a quality one, but I would name my instance (or a national one) differently, perhaps in a local language.

    There is no point in making worldwide Flohmarkt instances (same for Mobilizon), so, the naming should be less a problem than you expect

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  • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Great idea. I just wonder how Flohmarkt is read by non-Germans.

    Those non-Germans using Huawei/Xiaomi phones or buying from Shein? I reckon they’d not bat an eyelid, especially for English-speakers when you explain it means “flea market”. With Shein if anyone even bothers asking about the name, all they want to know is how to pronounce it (“she in”, not “shine” or “sheen”) and what it means (“it’s complicated”, “OK, never mind then”).

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  • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At least most speakers of European languages will pronounce it close enough to German - though most will not do make the r in markt as hard as Germans do.

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    • SpongyAneurism@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      though most will not do make the r in markt as hard as Germans do.

      Most German dialects (including standard German) barely pronounce that r. It is noticeable, but far from a “hard” pronunciation, in that case i is more like prolonging the “a” sound.

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    • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yeah but if you had to search for it you’d have a trouble spelling it. Flowmarked would be how English speakers would hear that I think.

      It probably needs an English brand name for outside the germano-sphere - fedimarket?

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  • happydoors@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It honestly just looks like a spelling mistake to me

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  • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It reads like regurgitating dehydrated phlegm

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• geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What a horrible name.

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  • bishbosh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s German

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What a horrible language.

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    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It is well known that only names which are in the devinely decreed English language are acceptable on the internet

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• AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What about Craigslist

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  • GuitarSon2024@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Ghost town and nothing but scams and business spam at this point. It’s a shame that FB marketplace killed it, because it was relatively simple and useful for what it did

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  • acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    What I want is an eBay alternative. Like old school eBay, with basic (non obscured) reputation system, auction options, stuff like that.

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• lena@gregtech.eu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I just set up a Slovenian instance, flohmarkt.gregtech.eu

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  • Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Maybe you can request your instance to be added here: codeberg.org/flohmarkt/…/flohmarkt-instances

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    • lena@gregtech.eu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Already added it

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  as always with these, it really comes down to whos using it.

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• twistypencil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That name…

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  • tetris11@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They need to use an easier name, like Kleinanzeigen or something

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    • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Not enough umlauts to count as easy.

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  • bad_alloc@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Sprich deutsch!

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    • 5gruel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Du

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• Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Maybe someone may want to put links to Flohmarkt instances on Craigslist or FB Marketplace to put more eyes on it?

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• Ballissle@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is what i need so i can finally delete facebook but unfortunately this is too early and small with nothing piblically uk based and no one looking at it so things would never sell.

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• ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  any of them US?

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• Emmie@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I am extremely curious how does it stack against DAC7 European Directive 2021/514 from 22 march 2021.

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• Sirence@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Image

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• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I just took a list at some instances and was confused. Is there not a location-specific aspect? When I selected “Local” I got nothing. The only use I had for FB marketplace was buying/selling things locally. Like as a craigslist replacement. Not seeing that on these sites, unfortunately.

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• MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Ad-software huh ? Maybe this could solve the monetisation issue of let’s say PeerTube

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• ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  How do I tell someone on the bus to check out this website?

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• qaz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I tried to use it myself and it really isn’t ready yet. It’s missing so many features that a specialized Lemmy instance seems like a much better alternative.

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• Emmie@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  In my local area government interrogates selling boards about my data what I sell and such. I wonder if this could be forever resistant to authorities provided somebody actually uses it?

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• SpikesOtherDog@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Interesting idea. How do you deal with illegal trade?

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• SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What localities does this operate in so far?

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• muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Cool. If u can host it as a tor hidden service that is a large an influential market that might benefit from such a thing. Haven’t looked but it might need some additional features to work as a decent platform in that sense.

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• Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This looks cool! Any android apps?

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• sol6_vi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I would host an instance if it’s working well enough - has anyone done it yet?

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• Tudsamfa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Will keep an eye on this, but there is nothing too local here (No, I can’t host something myself). Given how the specification says there should be a location and radius per instance, some admins are really slacking on putting that info in the description.

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