What's Mastodon precious?
Submitted 1 year ago by shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com to [deleted]
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OleDoxieDad@lemmy.world 1 year ago
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Heres the thing with federation
It will always be more complicated, and lead to smaller segregated communities. This mitigstes the network effect social media services rely on
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The consumer lockin then monetization lockdown cycle always sheds users. I think eventually most federated systems will gain users, albeit slowly.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This only works if a new centralized network doesnt take its place, Blueskys existence kinda proves thats not always the case
DeadNinja@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lol
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If the internet has a future, it’s on the Fediverse. We work around capitalism to avoid enshittification, or we let it defer our future further.
In the meantime, the Fediverse needs to get shiny and intuitive. The sign that something is cumbersome and hard to use is people saying “it’s not that bad”.
simplejack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People may disagree with how BlueSky is organized and architected, but I get why they decided to do what they did. User experience.
Their architectural decisions mean that people don’t have to worry about instances confusing people, and the org structure means is easy to staff a proper dedicated experience team that can be working, planning, and testing before big expensive decisions are committed to code.
Sl00k@programming.dev 1 year ago
Bluesky is apart of the Fediverse and the quicker ActivityPub sites accommodate that fact the quicker we’ll have an open internet.
This pissing fight between ActivityPub sites and Bluesky is dumb and doesn’t further an open internet.
Not directed at you but to a lot, go put time into making Mastodon compatible with atProto instead of bitching.
Epicurus0319@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Friendship ended with Mastodon
My new best friend is Bluesky
JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
goodbye forever
8000gnat@reddthat.com 1 year ago
why the fuck does no one change the trashass looking shadowed white impact font default text treatment on the meme generator
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
Readability > style
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
That takes effort and would invalidate it as a shitpost.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Mastodon may or may not be good (I don’t use it), but the fact that it segments off users into different groups means it will never be a twitter replacement. The fact that twitter is essentially “public” and all sorts of people from different areas interact was basically the whole point of it.
Bluesky seems pretty nice so far and it has real momentum.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would argue siloing is easier on bluesky - block list manager drama can definitely have a similar effect to user admin drama. The thing mastodon does poorly is discovery.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Mastodon doesn’t silo its users, that’s what federation is for. Everything you post on the public timeline is essentially public for everyone that’s on a federated instance that hasn’t gotten blocked.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m just dreading the inevitable monetization. These spaces are fun in their alpha state. But it’s just a matter of time before there’s a “Let AI help you spam Shrimp Jesus to your friends” button and a “Pay $5 to override the Block function” feature.
spamellama@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why must you malign shrimp Jesus so
Sabata11792@ani.social 1 year ago
The Twitter user base must be burned by, then kill 2 platforms before they can truly understand and ascend.
vordalack@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Mastodon is social media where no one comments or likes anything.
It’s like a modern art masterpiece.
Liz@midwest.social 1 year ago
You’re hanging out with the wrong people.
JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
maybe when I first stated 15 years ago it was like this.
now I have a community that will follow me on whatever bullshit instance I create because I got a clever domain name.
TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
If the userbase of mastodon is even remotely similar to that of lemmy, I sure as fuck am glad I joined Bluesky instead
capital@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My Mastodon experience is far more pleasant than that of Lemmy.
My sense is Mastodon is far less left leaning (but still left of center) but it may just be a product of who I’m following and the tags I’m following.
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I would love to have an unbiased Lemmy. But this is filled with mostly extreme far left people I talked to. I also get down voted any time I mention most people don’t use Imperial/Fahrenheit, except 5% of the world. Lemmy feels kind of hostile for open discussion. Image
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My sense is Mastodon is far less left leaning (but still left of center)
Begging the question of what you think constitutes the political “center”, given how fash everything has become.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You’re always welcome to go back to Reddit if you don’t like it here.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re not, though. Reddit is Bots Only
TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I did. The userbase in most of the subs there is warmer, not hostile, and much, MUCH less gatekeepy.
If lemmy ever wants to grow and actually succeed, I don’t see it happening with people acting like they are acting now.
Nommer@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’ve had less toxic experiences on reddit. Here I’ve had people use my post history to insult me and I even had some jackass respond to me 3 months later after some change Firefox did to “prove” he was right. Even though he was still wrong. Not to mention the tankies and other troll instances. I deleted my account on reddit years ago due to the toxicity there and I still find it less toxic now than Lemmy whenever I lurk there. Lemmy is dying because of the toxicity here. My subscribed feed used to have at least an hour or two of content to look at but it’s slowly been less and less, and mostly just automated bot posts now. I spend less than 10 minutes a day here now because there’s just nothing here. And I know she’s someone is going to be a dick when replying to this and I’ll just have to block 2 or 3 people again.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
That’s news to me 😂
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Pronounced “shiits”
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Mutuafuckaaaaa
ntma@lemm.ee 1 year ago
What happened to threads? I thought that was going to kill Twitter
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s owned by facebook, it’s irrelevant.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It basically exists for brands to advertise and avoids things like actual news. User counts are way overinflated. Heard multiple people say their algorithm is garbage.
ominouslemon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
their algorithm is garbage
Can confirm. It’s engagement bait at its worst
_stranger_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s predictably massive
techcrunch.com/…/threads-now-has-275m-monthly-act…
Between threads and blue sky, the non-cultists are leaving in droves.
I wonder how much the two cult sites fight over the same users.
quissberry@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
I assumed people don’t trust Meta compared to Bluesky.
Etterra@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I had originally not expected it to last a year of Peon Muck’s ownership, but hopefully it’ll finish dying (or fall into complete irrelevance) by the end of 2025.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 year ago
All it took was the destruction of the American Republic to make lazy people spend five minutes looking for alternatives
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
They didn’t look for themselves most likely, it’s reached cultural osmosis levels.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bluesky has its own federation protocol.
capital@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll be more excited about that when they start allowing larger federated instances.
I haven’t read a ton about it, I have to admit, but last I read, federated instances are limited in number of accounts.
More generally, the idea that taking crypto bro money will allow them to stay as open as Mastodon sounds unlikely to me.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like Masodon but the user experience is easier and great block tools too. I don’t mind Mastodon not being mainstream, it is kinda good to have niche parts of the net still.
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 year ago
Nice profile picture! Do you have any suggestions of content to find on Mastodon? I’m pretty new there and I can’t find anything interesting when I open the app.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Try going to the home page of instances of accounts you like (or of instances that seem interesting) and browsing there federated feed, you can discover tons that way.
As a general mastodon instance mas.to looks good and is a nice size with a good stable history.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
bluesky has made better choices - the starter packs and user lists are great for new users. They managed to add quote tweets but let the quoted person opt out of dog piles. It looks like they options for custom algorithms too.
It will be enshittified but mastodon should be taking notes.
The system is just way better. The local/fed feeds on masto are just wasted.
skrlet13@feddit.cl 1 year ago
Bluesky has useful tools. But (almost) all lists were made by the community of Bluesky users. Curation was made by users.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Curation was made by users.
Right, users not corporations make social networks, so the community not for profit corporations should own those social networks.
Can we not all see this as the same old pattern of predatory rent seeking behavior applied to online communities just seasoned with even more jargon and condescending handwaved half explanations?
BMTea@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What if we’re wrong and BlueSky just gets better? I mean, with some of the corporate trappings of old Twitter, but still user-friendly, big userbases, vibrant subcultures and banning troublemakers?
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It will, but it still has that countdown timer over its head.
The future is the fediverse, some yet-to-be-invented non-corporate equivalent, or offline.
JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
the concept of more than one website is so challenging for plebs.
use both and please don’t bridge bsky to the fedi.
Carighan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean even if it repeats “the Twitter mistake” that’d still be another 13-14 years to go. Who knows where short-form social media will be conceptually in that time and whether any competition in the space is even still relevant.
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The block lists for various types of assholes are also a marvellous invention. It’s so nice to block all of MAGA at a click
JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I haven’t had to block a maga in a decade. my admin already took care of that.
B312@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s almost like the average person doesn’t care about the fediverse and decentralisation and only wants muskless twitter. Nooo clearly the normies are idiot sheep
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If the reason people only want bluesky is because it’s Elon-less Twitter then they are stupid and wrong (or just ignorant). But then they can move to the next thing in 5 years when the enshittification happens.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yup, there it is.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I mean, the reason Musk is an issue is because Twitter is a privately owned, for-profit company. The issue is top-down leadership. Bluesky is absolutely doomed to the same fate.
Bluesky is a for-profit corporation backed by Venture Capital and run by Crypto assholes.
Jack Dorsey launched the initiative in 2019 as a proof-of-concept for a federated Twitter, which never happened. After dumping Twitter, he re-launched it as a standalone social media service and flagship ATProto instance, before jumping ship and letting it be run by committee. He now endorses Nostr, because BlueSky wasn’t friendly enough to Nazis.
The current BlueSky CEO, Lantian Graber, started her career running shitcoin/scamcoin exchange (SkuCoin), manufacturing ASIC mining rigs, and developing for Zcash. She masquerades as a progressive techie, even as all of her past experience leans Libertarian/Anarchocapitalist, and all of her other ventures’ websites are plastered with GenAI slop.
Bluesky is growing faster than ever expected, and with virtually zero real federation going on. It’s going to fail catastrophically when the new user base realizes they signed up for the same shit they were trying to get away from.
It isn’t that hard to realize that a FOSS product developed by a nonprofit (eg. Mastodon) is the correct answer, not more centralized, corporate, for-profit social media…
TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Bluesky is Decentralized.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bluesky is not decentralized if you have to use their relay to access the network from your PDS
B312@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s exactly the thing, mastodon has all of these nerd things attached to it that most people won’t care about, whilst BlueSky doesn’t
Carighan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People who genuinely think like this (as in, that users going to Bluesky is somehow bad, surprising or something only stupid people do) are the very reason systems such as Mastodon cannot work. And sadly they naturally pervade such systems, at a development, administration and user level.
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 year ago
I will have to agree, what I see is people on the fediverse always talking about how others should join it and complain when people have the free will to choose other options. So far, it’s been painful to find a Mastodon instance, because the whole thing doesn’t feels intuitive, it’s hard to differentiate them, and all the topics that go on the honepage are just politics and people mentioning other platforms.
nialv7@lemmy.world 1 year ago
bluesky is federated and decentralised too… i don’t understand why people are having problems with it? maybe they just don’t know?
Cyborg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Mastodon is gatekept to hell and back, the technicalities of federation are exposed to the user for some reason (you already lose half your potential user base right there), infighting between instances means that you won’t see the entire discourse of a post depending on which instance you’re at…
And besides all that, bsky is not as “corpo” as mastodon fanboys make it out to be. They’re on track to open up to privately hosted instances as well, and you can already run most of their backend stuff yourself.
proton_lynx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As much as I like the ‘decentralized’ stuff, the technical part of federation should NEVER be exposed to the end user if you want the platform to be mainstream. I still don’t understand why a lot of federated projects think it’s a good idea to expose that to the end user.
witten@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Dude, do you even email?
simplejack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Whenever Lemmy or Masto gets a flood of new users, a portion of them never make it past the instance selection and totally bail.
The user experience was designed by people who literally respond to user feedback by telling users to commit new code to the project.
It’s clearly designed by engineers who assume other users will be just like them.
Trekman10@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I think a lot of the attitude I saw on mastodon about this like a year ago was one of suspicion that they wanted an open network but didn’t use the fediverse standard
Cyborg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I assume the main reason is that ActivityPub is a mess and quite overcomplicated for bsky’s needs. Being permanently tied to it seems like a big risk. There’s no reason why they couldn’t make a compatibility layer later and hook into it.
nexguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think the hate for BlueSky is proof that it’s important enough to work. Buhbye elon
demizerone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Community owned centralized systems are the answer.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I don’t understand what anyone uses twitter, bluesky or mastodon for anymore. I used twitter to follow companies (like CoffeeStain) or YouTubers/Artists.
Bluesky has some of that, meanwhile mastodon is just a circle pit of yelling and also the same stuff I see on Lemmy.
I don’t understand what people use it for. There’s no information to follow like company game accounts for games I play, and when I tried to do goofy shitposts like old twitter i got a grand total of 0 likes.daellat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Its got faults but it’s currently where the big batch of users seems to be going and since some of my interests are pretty narrow that means a lot more to read and see in those interests (or it exists at all). That’s kinda hard to ignore tbh. Its not right wing infested and I’ve already got elon, musk, trump and a bunch of other stuff auto filtered.
TomAwezome@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can run your own relays, the obstacle is that each relay takes up many terabytes. But it’s fully open.
github.com/bluesky-social/pds whtwnd.com/…/Notes on Running a Full-Network atpr…
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42086596 docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/firehose docs.bsky.app/docs/…/federation-architecture#rela…
Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 1 year ago
“Write a bit about yourself to join this server and if we decide you’re too boring we’ll reject your application and say you’re a spammer afterwards”
Hmm I wonder why normies aren’t flocking to this platforms, what could be stopping them, couldn’t be the shitty onboarding process could it, Nah asking people to apply is the best onboarding process ever (big ass /s)
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 year ago
This post is a request for attack surface area.
TehWorld@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Twitter was a vapid load of crap before Elmo took it over. I see this as a win if it knocks him down a peg or 44 billion.
angrystego@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Feed the butterflies,
Tupence a bag…
victorz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What’s wrong with Bluesky? From my perspective it looks pretty dang wholesome. Could someone please elaborate?