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Linus Torvalds reckons AI is ‘90% marketing and 10% reality’

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Submitted ⁨⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨vegeta@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/linus-torvalds-reckons-ai-is-90-percent-marketing-and-10-percent-reality

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So basically just like linux. Except linux has no marketing…So 10% reality, and 90% uhhhhhhhhhh…

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    • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What

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      • Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Some Linux bad Windows good troll

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    • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That says more about your ignorance than anything about AI or Linux.

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    • zaph@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So basically just like linux. Except linux has no marketing

      Except for the most popular OS on the Internet, of course.

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    • Kethal@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Never heard of Android I guess?

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re aware Linux basically runs the Internet, right?

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      • okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re aware Linux basically runs the Internet World, right?

        Billions of devices run Linux. It is an amazing feat!

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    • ArbiterXero@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      90% angry nerds fighting each other over what answer is “right”

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    AI is nothing more than a way for big businesses to automate more work and fire more people.

    and do that at the expense of 30+ years of power reduction and efficiency gains, to the point that private companies are literally buying/building/restarting old power plants just to cover the insane power demand, because literally operating a power plant is cheaper than paying the energy costs.

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    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      AI is nothing more than a way for big businesses to automate more work and fire more people.

      All technology in human history has done that. What are you proposing? Reject technology to keep people employed on inefficient tasks?

      At some point people need to start thinking that is better to end capitalism that to return to monke.

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  • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There was a great article in the Journal of Irreproducible Results years ago about the development of Artificial Stupidity (AS). I always do a mental translation to AS when ever I see AI.

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  • trespasser69@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, he’s right. AI is mostly used by corps to enshittificate their products for just extra profit

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  • noxy@yiffit.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    game devs gonna have to use different language to describe what used to be simply called “enemy AI” where exactly zero machine learning is involved

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    • Hackworth@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Logic and Path-finding?

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    • spookedintownsville@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      CPU

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  • ntn888@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I dunno about him; but genuinely I’m excited about AI. Blows my mind each passing day ;)

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    • iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I work at a company big into AI. We build our own models. Our senior management drank the Kool-Aid. We don’t have search on our Intranet any more, just LLM chatbots.

      Our TLS certificate expired last week on our main web page. I tried to find the contact details for the team responsible and the thing just hallucinated e-mail addresses.

      Needless to say, I’m less excited than you.

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      • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That sounds insane

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      • naught101@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is hilarious

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      • Codilingus@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Holy fuck my sides hurt laughing. Sending a virtual IT bro hug.

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  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    and that 10% isnt really real, just a gabbier dr.sbaitso

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Idk man, my doctors seem pretty fucking impressed with AI’s capabilities to make diagnoses by analyzing images like MRI’s.

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      • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        then you are a fortunate rarity. most postd about the tech complain about ai just rearranging what it is told and regurgitating it with added spice

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  • nifty@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In a way he’s right, but it depends! If you take even a common example like Chat GPT or the native object detection used in iPhone cameras, you’d see that there’s a lot of cool stuff already enabled by our current way of building these tools. The limitation right now, I think, is reacting to new information or scenarios which a model isn’t trained on, which is where all the current systems break. Humans do well in new scenarios based on their cognitive flexibility, and at least I am unaware of a good framework for instilling cognitive flexibility in machines.

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  • Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “duh.”

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  • Suavevillain@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He is correct. It is mostly people cashing out on stuff that isn’t there.

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it is basically like how self improvement folks are using quantum

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  • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That makes sense. He’s old enough and close enough thematically to have seen a few of these tech hype cycles.

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  • Nihilistra@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I understand nothing about ai and haven’t used it in any way nor do I plan to. It feels wrong for me and I believe it might fuck as harder than social media ever could.

    But the pictures it creates, the stories and conversations don’t seem like hot air. And I guess, compared to the internet we are at the stage where the modem is still singing the songs of its people. There is more to come.

    I heard it can code at a level where entry positions might be in danger to be swapped for ai.

    Gotta admit I’m a little afraid it will make most of us useless in the future.

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    • okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It makes somewhat passable mediocrity, very quickly when directly used for such things. The stories it writes from the simplest of prompts is always shallow and full of cliche (and over-represented words like “delve”). To get it to write good prose basically requires breaking down writing, the activity, into its stream of constituent, tiny tasks and then treating the model like the machine it is. And this hack generalizes out to other tasks, too, including writing code. It isn’t alive. It isn’t even thinking. But if you treat these things as rigid robots getting specific work done, you can make then do real things. The problem is asking experts to do all of that labor to hyper segment the work and micromanage the robot. Doing that is actually more work than just asking the expert to do the task themselves. It is still a very rough tool. It will definitely not replace the intern, just yet. At least my interns submit code changes that compile.

      Don’t worry, human toil isn’t going anywhere. All of this stuff is super new and still comparatively useless. Right now, the early adopters are mostly remixing what has worked reliably. We have yet to see truly novel applications yet. What you will see in the near future will be lots of “enhanced” products that you can talk to. Whether you want to or not. The human jobs lost to the first wave of AI automation will likely be in the call center. The important industries such as agriculture are already so hyper automated, it will take an enormous investment to close the 2% left. Many, many industries will be that way, even after AI. And for a slightly more cynical take: Human labor will never go away because having power over machines isn’t the same as having power over other humans. We won’t let computers make us all useless.

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      • Nihilistra@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for easing my mind a little. You definetly did in perspective to labor.

        You also reminded me I already had my first encounter with a callcenter AI by telekom and it was just as useless as the human equivalent, they seem to get the similar training!

        I just hope it won’t hinder or replace interhuman connection on a larger scale cause in this sphere mediocrity might be enough and we are already lacking there.

        The albeit small but present virtual girlfriend culture in Japan really shocked me and I feel we are not far away from things like AI-droid wives for example.

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