You’re fooling yourself if you don’t want to see the sharp decrease in quality post DS9. The best best Trek series of the last 20 years is Orville ffs
What are the biggest red flags when talking with a Trek "fan"?
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AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Eccitaze@yiffit.net 2 months ago
I’d give strange new worlds a pass as being better than Orville, but yeah, it’s definitely the exception to the rule.
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Fair Strange New Worlds is great
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
LOL I had a whole reply typed out before I realized this was sarcasm. A+ example of a red flag.
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
You’re that threatened by people who like different TV shows than you?
Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Fuckin-A roit, mate!
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I don’t mind the Kelvin films. Karl Urban as Bones makes it all worth while.
They’re just popcorn flicks. Watch or don’t watch and it’s not like the Star Trek Universe is altered in any way. (Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise)
propter_hog@hexbear.net 2 months ago
data1701d@startrek.website 2 months ago
I used to think Chris Pine Kirk was better than Shatner. I now kind of feel like Pine’s the best Captain, but SNW Kirk’s the best gentlemanly lady killer kirk.
Soulcreator@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’d argue they are better than anything after The Undiscovered Country. But yeah otherwise I agree, 2009 is one of my top trek films, and I’d rather watch it over any of the TNG movies. Sorry, not sorry.
d13@programming.dev 2 months ago
Largely agree, with a couple exceptions: Undiscovered Country and First Contact are good; Into Darkness is bad.
reminiscensdeus@lemm.ee 2 months ago
If it doesn’t have 20+ episode seasons it’s nutrek
USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 2 months ago
NuTrek apparently began in 1973.
Zorque@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So season one of DS9 and voyager?
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
DS9 Season 1 is 20 episodes? The way I read “20+” is 20 or more…
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
How many episodes has TAS?
criitz@reddthat.com 2 months ago
I don’t really like any Trek past DS9 Don’t hate me
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
As long as you don’t take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don’t like a tv show then we’re cool
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
“You are allowed to have your opinion so long as you don’t share it”
Vespair@lemm.ee 2 months ago
This is the good take. Star Trek peaked at DS9 and there’s yet to be a good reason to continue past it.
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
Biggest red flag in the entire thread. You win.
reminiscensdeus@lemm.ee 2 months ago
VOY and ENT are good
Damage@feddit.it 2 months ago
Never liked VOY, writing is poor… Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9…
The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series’ development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark… Monk Worf was cool tho.
Takeshidude@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.
Each era is molded by the media conventions of it’s time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: “the medium is the message”
lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Where do you put ENT? I say it feels very different from the not much earlier VOY but not as a wave in its own right. And while we’re at it: TAS
Zorque@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Echoes, like when a wave hits something else and creates some dissonance.
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
What’s the face for anyone who remembers that by TOS canon, the greek god Apollo is real and just got bored of Earth and fucked off to another planet?
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Teal’c.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 months ago
It’s a massive, massive red flag when someone goes the “Terran Empire/Section 31 did nothing wrong” route.
It’s very common in zone chat on Star Trek Online. Some fascists just hang around Earth Spacedock all day there, posting nonstop fascist screeds.
buckykat@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Discovery bringing Georgiou back in season 2 as a Section 31 agent felt to me like the show was doing this, and is what put me off that show specifically. I really like the majority of modern Trek shows, and even like 2 out of 3 of the Kelvin timeline movies.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 months ago
Georgiou eventually turned on her S31 superiors, joined the Discovery crew, and tried to make the Mirror Universe better when the Guardian (sort of) gave her the opportunity.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 months ago
I think they brought her back in an attempt to backpedal the absolute fucking disaster that was season 1. I honestly enjoy Discovery as sci-fi, but when I rewatch Season 1 I can’t shake the feeling they took another IPs pilot and stretched Star Trek over it like a horrible skinsuit.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 months ago
I was generous, even patient, with Strange New Worlds and enjoyed it for the most part, if only because it was not Discovery and its tiresome contrarian “what if evil people… adorable scamps? What if everyone is kind of an asshole? What if moral ambiguity makes the audience feel very very smart while justifying whatever the writers want to show without feeling bad about it?”
Damage@feddit.it 2 months ago
Well, section 31 did save the whole alpha quadrant from the Dominion…
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 months ago
If you believe there was no possible way to do that without an unaccountable space CIA, believe what you will.
If you’re not also posting real-life extermination apologia in public zone chats in online games on the side, good enough for me.
propter_hog@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Nu Trek is, to me, just the kelvin shit. The new shows on CBS are legit, especially lower decks.
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
brainw0rms@hexbear.net 2 months ago
“I wish they hadn’t gone and made Star Trek political!”
mactan@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
maybe I’ve consumed more and more scifi over the years to compare to or maybe the later releases of trek have lowered the average in my mind but I can’t help but see trek in general as solidly mid now
alansuspect@aussie.zone 2 months ago
I hadn’t watched any Trek in a while and in Picard there was a scene where their ship was hit and started listing like a boat and I was like “that’s not how space works!”, then remembered that’s the thing with Star Trek.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
You got to remember that Star Trek is based upon submarines warfare.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I mean, once your have artificial gravity… why wouldn’t it suck just like normal gravity?
People lurch around the bridge because some photon torpedo rocked the “down is this way” machine.
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
I like NuMetal tbh
data1701d@startrek.website 2 months ago
Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.
“Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.
SGG@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Both panels are acceptable and objectively correct.
CitizenKong@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean, technically everything from TNG onwards would be NuTrek and Kelvin-stuff would be NuNuTrek, or rather Re-Trek, since it’s a reboot.
usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
NuTrek started when they did a full visual reboot, including completely changing the look of the Klingons: TMP.
Then it got worse, when they followed that up with a grimdark shoot-em-up that felt nothing like Trek. These people aren’t even fans of the show!
livingcoder@programming.dev 2 months ago
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Discovery had so many problems for me: ship flies on magic mushrooms, her mom basically doesn’t care about her anymore by the end of it - the show-starting plot line, and the Klingons look like sweaty orcs.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
completely changing the look of the Klingons
You are talking about the TOS movies/TNG? Never understand the forehead thing either
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
“Nu” does not mean “New” it refers to a musical genre known for it’s simplistic mass appeal.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It actually does. At least in this context.
bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.
Rom@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Broke: Discovery is NuTrek
Woke: Voyager is NuTrek
Bespoke: TNG is NuTrek
Enkrod@feddit.org 2 months ago
I didn’t really like TOS (except the movies, those were great) was a big TNG fan (not the movies though, didn’t like those), I loved DS9, I was okay with Voyager and basically did not care for anything after, except maybe Lower Decks?
But that’s just like, my opinion man, you go watch whatever gives you the good feels, I’ll not police your opinion.
Except if you like Discovery-Klingons, liking those makes you a garbage-human!🚩
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Except if you like Discovery-Klingons, liking those makes you a garbage-human!
I was baffled about why their appearance was changed (again), but really hated the insistence on subs. I understand when I’m watching a movie and there is a scene in France that the characters are not actually speaking English with a French accent, it is translated for me for ease of viewing.
I like to have the option of doing things in the background when watching TV (Tidying up, making food, grinding something in a game, etc) and the insistence on using subs means the least interesting part of the show demanded my full attention.
SelorKiith@startrek.website 2 months ago
Then just learn tlhIngan Hol?
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
One, you mean e.g., not i.e.
Two, that’s super not what nu-metal was about. It was extremely targeted to an audience of edgelord teenagers.
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
This response is a beige flag for me
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
That’s fair.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh no, it doesnt mean New Trek. I have comments to go edit.
pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
There’s NuTrek and there’s new trek, one is bad and one is after your favorite series. It’s a rectangles and squares situation
devbo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why is so much of memes nowadays just people claiming to be better then everyone else? I had assumed the trek fans were less of snobs than this. Not only does this insult fellow trek fans but metal fans in the process. If this community is the only thing holding lemmy togther, i guess i don’t need to be on the internet anymore.
weariedfae@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“Nowadays” ? Boy let me tell you of the proto-memes in the days of the early internet.
Tl;dr: Everybody be snarky since forever.
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
this meme is making fun of snobs?
lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
The Cage is peak trek
Never accepted Kirk and those after as real trek
Corgana@startrek.website 2 months ago
You better be referring to the original broadcast recorded to magnetic tape and not the abomination that is the DVD release
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 2 months ago
What about the option of the original black and white recording of ‘The Cage’ with the colour portions from ‘The Menagerie’ spliced in, as released to videotape in thr 80s?
That was the real Star Trek. Roddenberry even took it to cons in the 70s and 80s to let fans know what he really wanted to put on the air.