That sounds like a parental problem
30% of Children Ages 5-7 Are on TikTok
Submitted 6 months ago by boem@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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K1nsey6@lemmy.world 6 months ago
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What a great way to dismiss an entire problems based that affects our society. It’s easier to just hand wave it away as someone else’s problem than to actually consider it…
When a problem becomes systematic it’s now a societal and cultural problem and not an individual responsibility problem. Individual responsibility isn’t working so it’s now down to the society this is occurring in to solve the systematic problem in a systematic way.
That’s how almost everything works
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You’re both right
LengAwaits@lemmy.world 6 months ago
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah none of those kids should have cell phones. They should be about old enough to drive before they get one even.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yup. I have kids (three under 10), and the only time my kids use my phone is when I’m literally there with them, letting them pick a video (usually Pat and Mat, Bert and Ernie, or similar). It’s not every day, and never more than 30 min, usually like 15-20 min, and we take turns picking.
I’m not letting my kids have their own phone until I trust them with one, and that doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon with how many of our other rules they break.
spez_@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Our schools have banned phones. They need to have the right to destroy phones
scottywh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s probably iPads but still…
Buttons@programming.dev 6 months ago
Yeah, parents are getting ruined by social media algorithms too.
Our government seems to be moving towards an “we only care about the children, but everyone, including adults, upload your government papers” approach.
Y’all got any of those protections for adults? I remember reading regulations that companies couldn’t show children advertisements. Can I have some of that regulation too?
I just can’t stop being cynical that there is little focus on homeless or underpaid adults, or other adult issues, but the one problem we’re focused on just so happens to include everyone giving up anonymity on the Internet.
We do need to help kids with social media, but there’s a lot of other challenges they will soon face as adults that were ignoring.
slumberlust@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Are there any examples of ‘for the kids’ legislation that isn’t just something like backdoor encryption masquerading as protecting the young?
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Children copy their parents.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Children can’t do that if you’re a responsible parent that keeps an eye on what their child is doing. Y’know, the bare minimum of parenting.
GladiusB@lemmy.world 6 months ago
With some things yes. But not all.
JustZ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Childless young people downvoting this, perhaps not able to admit they’re just like mom or dad?
For most of us I’m sorry but it’s true! Kids are mirrors; apples don’t fall far from trees. Not all of them. Some carry.
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So does a kid snapping and shooting up the school, but it doesn’t mean we ignore guns.
Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 6 months ago
but it doesn’t mean we ignore guns.
Uuuh, you sure about that? It seems like that shit keeps happening and nothing at all is being done about it.
mPony@lemmy.world 6 months ago
oh please. if guns became sentient someone would stack three of them in a trenchcoat and give them the right to vote.
tamal3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yes, but it’s also new territory for us as a species. I’m sure the guidance and monitors will be significantly improved in the next decade, but a decade ago… It was the wild west, baby.
AnAnonymous@lemm.ee 6 months ago
The question here would be… where are their parents?
fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
On tiktok too, where else,
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I thought parents killed social media.
Still waiting for Facebook to die
Isoprenoid@programming.dev 6 months ago
At their second jobs.
Plopp@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Out stealing cars for likes.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
You wouldn’t download a car.
Can’t, but you can download a video of me stealing a car!
tamal3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Doing meth, or working, or both? That’s the US these days.
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The next generation is so fucked. Wait…they be the ones who take care of me in the old person home. I’m fucked as will.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People have been claiming that new media will destroy society at least since we invented writing, and probably before.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No I get that, but this is different honestly. Look up rates of teenage depression/anxiety/suicide attempts, it’s a stunning correlation with the advent of smartphones and social media. Millenials got out just in time.
mrbaby@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Look at Mr Moneybags here, getting cared for in an old person home.
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They’re gonna put a camera in your room and post all your old people antics on future tik tok
Retrograde@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Who is Will and why is he so fucked?
Buttons@programming.dev 6 months ago
Karma.
The young treat the old however they do. But then the young grow old and get treated the same.
tamal3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Eh the kids are alright
eran_morad@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s fucked
jaschen@lemm.ee 6 months ago
This ban can’t come soon enough. Fuck the CCP.
endhits@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“In my household, the only addictive spyware we use is made in the USA!!!”
Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People love to repeat this, but US companies aren’t coming from a place of hostile intent like china’s special brand of tik tok for the states.
ealoe@ani.social 6 months ago
Unironically yes, at least the US government is something we can openly criticize and attempt to change while living within its borders. Try criticizing the Chinese government from within China, let me know how that works out for you. I’ll take homegrown American spyware any day.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Blaming tiktok for bad parental choices?
GladiusB@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m not saying it’s a good parental choice. But the ban can help the kids.
jaschen@lemm.ee 6 months ago
No blaming the CCP on psyops on Americans.
BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 6 months ago
Ah yes, that will solve the problem
jaschen@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Wait, is there another psyops software the CCP has deployed in the US?
jorp@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Only Western manipulation please!
jaschen@lemm.ee 6 months ago
It’s not in American businesses best interest overthrow a government. Can’t say the same for the CCP tho. Fuck the CCP.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I use TikTok routinely. I actually spend time on Chinese parts of TikTok, because I know a little Chinese. I’ve seen content that the CCP would be very much opposed to - including discussions of the Tank Man from Tiananmen Square and homosexuality in Chinese history.
TikTok has censorship certainly, but it’s more targeted towards the Gaza conflict.
jaschen@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I use TikTok routinely.
Your experience is different from other experience. That’s the main issue. They are and can target specific people in specific groups and in specific regions. You seeing this content just means you’re not important enough for them to target.
menemen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I managed to almost completly keep my children away from it. But it is a struggle. So many children at age 8 or 9 have smartphones for fs sake.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 months ago
my siblings managed to keep their kids away from smartphones until 4th grade. And even that was a struggle.
sadly it just falls into the camp of ‘everyone else is doing it’. and if your kid isn’t they will be socially ostracized.
tamal3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Some kids also get obsessive about phones once they get one, or obsessed with other people’s phones until then.
tmcgh@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Do you have any tips? My kids are still pretty young (3 and 2) and I really want to avoid them having acess to these sorts of things.
rbesfe@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Child abuse
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
What does “on tiktok” mean?
Unsupervised with their own accounts? I feel like that’s difficult to believe. Watching a few tiktoks before dinner with their parents? That doesn’t really strike me as a problem.
While I don’t entirely disagree with the author, I feel like this is a far too superficial look at what is a larger societal problem: young people have checked out.
He makes the argument that mental health is in decline, and I’m not sure if that’s true or we’ve just removed the stigma from therapy… But of more concern to me is that young people just DGAF, and I think that’s because older generations have left nothing for younger generations to inherit, besides ruin. Kids 5-7 aren’t gonna understand that, but they’re gonna pick up the vibes from their parents.
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I don’t think its difficult to imagine 30% of 5 to 7s with their own phones on tiktok nearly all the time.
Raising kids is hard, especially when youre poor and stressed out or tired all the time, its waaay easier to just get them a phone.
The number of people I’ve met in the last couple of years? Yeah, I live amongst the poors, the abusive parents and single moms and drunk/drug addicted dads… all their kids either have their own phones or the family has one for all the kids, who basically fight over it and get smacked by a parent or older sibling when theyre being too rowdy.
A few weeks ago I was walking, puffing on a nicotine vape. A school bus pulls up and drops off what could not have been older than 2nd graders, who began hounding me: Lemme hit that wax bro, Share your wax!
These are those 5 to 7s that are on TikTok, or close to it. I didnt even realize what Wax was at first, literally had to scurry home and lookup that wax is now the term for basically dab pens.
So yeah, theres huge segments of the population where 7 year olds want a highly concentrated dose of MJ from a literal random person theyve never seen before.
Devo: It’s a beautiful world we live in… for you, but not for me.
Xanvial@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is there any data for similar age range but for YouTube?
neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 6 months ago
That is terrifying
profdc9@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You would think that with all those kids watching, Xi would lean into the whole Winnie the Pooh resemblance.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 months ago
How do you take over the world? Program the children!
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
The TikTok van isn’t bad, it’s great for humanity, it’s great for kids.
Can we now do the same with Instagram and Facebook and the likes? Basically all of social media?
Can we also please start banning kids from the Internet now? Since 20 years ago I’ve been saying that kids under 14-16 should not be on the Internet, or if they do, with monitoring and very limited time and access. The Internet is NOT a healthy place for kids. Hell, today they Internet isn’t a healthy place for adults, but that is a different story.
I hate desantis, but that Florida kids and social media ban is great
theherk@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m not completely convinced. It is possible but sounds a bit high to me. It is based on a survey of less than 3k parents, and although I found the BBC article, it doesn’t seem to link to the actual source. It is therefore difficult to take this too seriously without seeing exactly who was interviewed and how the questions were worded.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I turned out perfectly fine without a phone until age 15, and I’m 17 now, I don’t really use social media other than reddit, Lemmy and YouTube on my phone and I barely use it, since I’m more likely to use my iPad at home exclusively.
I feel as though more parents need to do the same mine did, restrict access to smartphones until ages the kid is more likely to explore the world more, specifically for safety, but still teach them to concentrate on stops while on public transport, on where they walk, etc. and not use their phone on the go apart from when time is able to pass and be stationary.
I cringe at the fact kids a third or less my age are allowed phones, I shouldn’t even be allowed since my brain is still developing, i cant imagine the levels of braindead these children will be when they get to my age, since people my age are already horrific enough…
Gutless2615@ttrpg.network 6 months ago
Seems bad, man.
Binthinkin@kbin.social 6 months ago
Well yea parenting is hard so people avoid it. Not really a big deal.
Cyberjin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Algorithm “okay kids remember, America bad and China number 1”
p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Hopefully not for much longer
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
How many kids have been on TV for decades?
Why the assumption that this is worse and not better?
daltotron@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I dunno I’m just gonna drop a 50 minute video link on this one and bounce, 'cause if I chronically post my dogshit opinions every time one of these boomer ass articles gets posted here and gets upvoted a million times by the masturbatory elder millennial ex-redditor linux userbase, then I’m gonna be here for a fuckin eternity
nutsack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
not anymore
tal@lemmy.today 6 months ago
My brief forays into both TikTok and YouTube Shorts have left me profoundly unimpressed with the short-form video.
thehatfox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s all vertical video as well. YouTube pushes Shorts fairly aggressively on the desktop website, and it’s a crappy experience.
Plopp@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Be glad Youtube still works on the desktop at all. A very large majority of users watch on their phones and YouTube only cares about profits.
gunpachi@lemmings.world 6 months ago
I use a firefox addon to hide the shorts . works most of the time I guess.
spez_@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No one uses desktop
vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
It’s all mind-melting in my experience
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Literally proven to ruin attention span in children and essentially cause ADHD, can also easily cause depression by constantly seeing (usually) fake people flaunting their (usually) fake life and wealth.
Not to mention the proliferation of insane conspiracy theories, absolute nonsense and usually harmful ‘advice’ of one kind or another, ‘being rich is the only thing that matters so here is a scam to show you how!’ of all kinds of flavors…
Brain rot.
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
There was that brief period of time where Vine existed and had actual quality content.
Then the short video format was shittified after everyone began doing it, and fairly rapidly devolved into mindless attention seeking nonsense / micro personal update vlog… or worse.
dmtalon@infosec.pub 6 months ago
Well humans are making them. Vine and other early adopter places (Lemmy) are nice until the “masses” find it.
It’s awful, but people eat it up. Add in profit margins and companies jump on smelling that sweet sweet profit.
Tik Tok is blocked in my house but unfortunately reels/yt shorts have no easy way to block without affecting the rest of the service.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I think long videos are expensive.
Social media companies like engagement. So 3 20s videos would give you more data from the user than 1 60s video.
reddig33@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Jack Dorsey was just a year or too early with Vine it seems.
DdCno1@kbin.social 6 months ago
He didn't have the resources and determination of the Chinese state behind him.
linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Brief is the ticket. The more you hot ot not it, the better it gets at matching you. After a couple days of swipes, you’ll get a constant stream of stuff you’ll actually want to see. IG and TT are good at this, yt shorts are pretty bad at it.
I’ve been trying to stay out of the algorithms. I watch YT by channels only, left Reddit for Lemmy, listed fb to friends walls. TT and IG only make it to me if friends or family share it. I’ll go watch it then GTFO.