As a white dude, I would be horribly embarrassed to do something like that. I hope the guy in the story learned a lesson from it.
degree in bamf
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lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 month ago
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
As a white man, I don’t give a fuck about group identity
Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 month ago
What are you saying? If I go out and do some horrific thing you aren’t personally responsible and should feel shame for being a white male?
That’s completely unacceptable.
viss3@feddit.it 1 month ago
Yes, as a white man, I agree
fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 month ago
If this ever happens, all it needs is an acknowledgement of the mistake and an apology. It’s very easy to fix!
OftenWrong@startrek.website 1 month ago
You can apologize, sure, but in that situation I would absolutely judge you strongly for it regardless. Forever or until you proved you grew out of that kind of bullshit.
AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 month ago
I would like to nominate Dra@lemmy.zip for the worst poster of the year award please
bloom_of_rakes@lemm.ee 1 month ago
My friend, a girl, was having trouble loading a large pumpkin into the back of her subaru hatchback. I, a boy, offered to help, but she refused.
After 5 minutes of this her strained whimpering became too much to bear. So I put the pumpkin in there for her.
thorbot@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Fucking brilliant story mate and so relevant to the post, wow
bloom_of_rakes@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Can you feel my low-hanging fruit?
azenyr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Clearly the race and genre are both only being used in this sentence for bullying purposes. What could very well be just “a random guy” was specifically changed to “a white male” to really attack the race and genre mentioned. If it was another race or genre it would be called racist. The “white males” won’t accept this blatant racism many more years without standing up against it, trust me. But then they will be called racist. They are not racist only while they accept being bullied and accept racism towards them. This hate speech against white males is being completely normalized in america daily. And being used in comments, sentences and now even books in such a “normalized” way that it disgusts me. Just because whites are not a minority, doesn’t mean we can bully and be racist to them. And in this exact sentence, it triggers me so much that the “while male” adjective was used with the clear intent of bullying and image degradation of the mentioned race and genre.
When will we, as humans of all colors, stand up against racism against whites (and especially males) that is strangely being more and more accepted as a normal thing daily?
chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
only white men can read an anecdote about a woman being tired of having her own field mansplained to her, and turn it into “…and that’s why this is bigoted against me, actually”. Holy fucking shit dude.
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 month ago
The “white males” won’t accept this blatant racism many more years without standing up against it, trust me.
Ten years. Whiteness as a systemically-perpetuated social construct has only been getting consciously pushed back on for ten years now; and you’re already QQ’ing like you’re facing genocide and dispossession of ‘your’ lands (the same ones you committed 400 years of genocide, slavery, exploitation, dehumanization, and displacement to get). My bloodline has endured 400 years of tyranny perpetuated by bloodlines like yours, and all your little friends; and yet you collectively still draw breath.
I promise you, even if your whole internet-tough-guy, “we will not tolerate this” schtick like you’ve gotten anything more than a metaphorical papercut actually came to pass? You’d still just be proving us right. To you, our freedom, our liberation, looks like a bullet; and you fear that what we would do is the same barbarism you would.
Allero@lemmy.today 1 month ago
It’s crazy to see this upvoted.
And white males born recently, at least on historical scale, we hold no responsibility for what other white males did back then, and you hold no special moral right to oppress anyone - you weren’t the one oppressed, and they weren’t your oppressors.
It’s equally wrong to do racist things towards black and white people, and it’s equally wrong to be sexist against males or females.
If we want to actually stop racism and sexism, we should stop it from spreading both ways. Otherwise you do nothing but feed into reactionary movements that will start the struggle again, while oppressing people who didn’t deserve, by any means, tp be oppressed.
perdvert@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
Won’t someone think of the poor disenfranchised white males.
CasualPenguin@reddthat.com 1 month ago
If you don’t see that many white men have been so privileged for so long that they act entitled to be shitty towards others (including to other white men) than you must be seriously delusional
yarr@feddit.nl 1 month ago
When will we, as humans of all colors, stand up against racism against whites (and especially males) that is strangely being more and more accepted as a normal thing daily?
You get 0 ‘progressive points’ for standing up for white males. One of the last socially acceptable punching bags. Look at the proliferation of the ‘dumb dad’ on sitcoms, totally acceptable.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 month ago
slate.com/…/not-all-men-how-discussing-womens-iss…
The race mention is signalling the privilege. We know that all kinds of people can be a bigot, but this ain’t it fam. This stuff hurts both you and me.
davemeech@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
White dude here. It’s super easy to read something like this without feeling disenfranchised or bullied. Sure we can do better to avoid it, but that should not at all be the main takeaway from this testimonial. Why aren’t you angry at the common propensity of women in places of academic and professional authority being looked down upon and disrespected like this? This is super common.
Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 month ago
One can and should be angry about both. I wouldn’t go so far as to call the person who posted this a racist, but it’s still not a good practice. Taking an example of a stupid thing someone did and directing the criticism at their race isn’t OK for good reason. (Yes, saying “a white male did ____” is directing the criticism at the group, not the individual.) It encourages people to form judgments about white males as opposed to assholes who belittle others, which is who she’s really having trouble with.
The same thing being done to minorities and women is a much bigger problem, but using the same attack in the opposite direction isn’t exactly a good solution.
azenyr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why aren’t you angry at the common propensity for women in places of academic and professional authority being looked down upon and disrespected like this?
Well, I am angry at that. Women and all races deserve equal rights and possibilities. We should keep fighting for that. But while males don’t need to be transformed into comedy punching bags in exchange for women/other races equality. Can we respect everyone INCLUDING white males?
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They could have simply said “post doc”. Race/gender adds nothing to the story and is unneccesary. Like they said if it was any other combo of race/gender it would be seen as racist so why add it?
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Shouldn’t it be “We are McCarty et al” and wouldn’t that make her have DID? Also /c/thathappened
TeddyKila@hexbear.net 1 month ago
AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 month ago
The @lemmy.liberals in the comments here being flabbergasted that straight white men in positions of power are privileged and embarrassing is very funny
Keep it up dorks
chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
ITT people baww at the mere mention of race and gender in a context they find disagreeable, and proceed to behave as if the problem is other people being too sensitive about race and gender.
stoly@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I had to scroll down to see what you mean. Shocking that people really still don’t understand how privilege works.
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 month ago
“It’s difficult to get a man to understand something when his paycheck depends on his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“I’m sorry you feel that way.”
Refusing to accept responsibility for their actions.
chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
oh look another triggered mayonnaise-skinned MRA type. ho-hum.
fidodo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re not kidding. The comments are so much worse than I was expecting.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 month ago
This funny story really brought a lot of great accounts out of the woodwork to block!
davemeech@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’m very sorry, but what is ITT and baww?
I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 1 month ago
In this thread
Whining
mysteryname101@lemmy.world 1 month ago
ITT. In this thread.
Bawww in this context means “cry”
boatsnhos931@lemmy.world 1 month ago
God damn crackers
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Why is ‘race’ relevant here? What the fuck is wrong with Americans and how did they become so astonishingly self flagellating.
That said… this sounds like one of those fantasy scenarios where “then everyone clapped”.
Just on the insecure posture of this tweet, I’m prepared to bet cold hard cash that he asked her for clarity or something with a informational challenge “but does x not come from y?” And then she manufactured his reasoning and the rest to feel good.
Allero@lemmy.today 1 month ago
While I perfectly agree with your position on that the “privilege” talk has become a weapon in and of itself, and that a lot of bullshit stories come out of it, I’d love it if you could change the tone of conversation.
Americans are different, and they may have cultural reasons to behaving this way. That’s not to say they’re right - but seeding anger this way is not gonna magically change their minds.
Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
They’re mentioning the race and gender basically to say “a privileged person”. Having privileges obviously influences your character. And race+gender correlate with privileges.
So, while there’s no direct causation, and us white males who aren’t chumps don’t need to be offended, it’s often good enough of an explanation why a particular white male might be a chump.
Allero@lemmy.today 1 month ago
It comes from an assumption that a person behaves that way because he’s a white male, and proliferates the assumptions that white males are normally behaving like that.
Should there be a black woman asking the question, this wouldn’t be mentioned, even though the act would be the same. As such, this is a vicious cycle of highlighting bad behavior in white males and then saying “look, they are like that” - something that’s been done in the past to justify racism and sexism towards black people and females.
vallode@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I agree that the usage of “white” is irrelevant here. That being said, are you in academics? It is not an unusual situation for people to not be aware of the “face behind the maths” so to speak. Granted, this is not entirely unique to women in science but it is exhaustingly common for women to be questioned more than their peers.
I think questioning this is fine as many people lie but I wouldn’t take this to mean this type of situation didn’t happen/couldn’t happen.
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I recognise that, I think it’s important to make very clear distinctions with no sweeping statements when prescribing value to demographic groups.
chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Why is ‘race’ relevant here?
Because it’s extremely relevant in American culture. Every culture really, we’re just somewhat ahead on not lying to ourselves about it.
What the fuck is wrong with Americans and how did they become so astonishingly self flagellating.
Nothing and we’re not, you’re an irate ignoramus with a chip on your shoulder having an imaginary dick measuring contest because you’re super duper sensitive about race.
Just on the insecure posture of this tweet, I’m prepared to bet cold hard cash that he asked her for clarity or something with a informational challenge “but does x not come from y?” Or whatever and she manufactured his reasoning and the rest to feel good. She doesn’t seem to know what et al means either.
He was literally telling her to go read her own work. The “et al” part is very fucking clearly taking the piss, do they not have humor over there in Stuckupistan?
Allero@lemmy.today 1 month ago
“Because of the sheer scale of the issue and long history of institutionalized racism with lingering consequences, we, Americans, developed more vigilance on the issue, and I think this experience and this point of view should be considered across the globe. I do not appreciate the way you speak of it, and I’d rather have you respect, even if not immediately understand, this position.”
-Your comment, with personal attacks taken out.
I ask you to consider the way users express themselves around Lemmy, and keep this place nice and tidy. Personal attacks and flaming are better left to Reddit. What makes the Lemmyverse so amazing is the cooperation of kind strangers, and in the spirit of it, it would be amazing for you not to provoke flaming and aggression.
I’m no admin and no mod, but a kind patriot of the Lemmy space, and I sincerely hope you could listen up to this and be kinder next time, even to the people who aren’t perfectly keeping to the good conduct themselves.
zartcosgrove@beehaw.org 1 month ago
This is top some top tier mansplaining here. I detect no sense of irony. Chef’s kiss.
Gabu@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wow, so she managed to clone herself and use the clones to write a paper?
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Multiple clones. Otherwise the paper would be McCarty & McCarty.
Nacktmull@lemmy.world 1 month ago
She is McCarty for sure but I doubt that she is et al too …
theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Common misunderstanding - her full name is “Jessica McCarty Et Al”
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
She’s so prolific, one mere mortal body is insufficient for her bamfness.
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Taking credit for the work of people who are barely even credited in the first place is… a way of responding. If only she had disappeared behind the curtain for a moment, re-emerging with everyone there with big hair and guitars and eye shadow and screamed “we are McCarty and the Et Als!!!”
Oh well; next time.
otp@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
She drew attention to her being the/an author of the paper rather than just being a naming coincidence (or family relation, etc).
Adding the et al was likely for that effect, rather than an attempt to take credit for other authors’ work, imo
MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Et al” is a pretty funny honorific though
HollowNaught@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I always roll my eyes whenever I see a “you can’t do that because you’re a woman” character in a show, and then I’m always reminded that these people actually exist
Obonga@feddit.de 1 month ago
I find it interesting how writing “a male” instead of man is a good way of pointing out “sexist mansplaining” and writing “a female” is dehumanizing (which i actually agree on). I will not deny that there are many sexists out there who are mansplaining or see women as less knowledgable. Without knowing the person (“offending”) however, i think we would be wise to use occam’s razor which would lead us to the conclusion that this is a prime case of the dunning kruger effect (which would also apply if sexism is involved).
Mycomment however has to be seen as mansplaining because i sadly have a dick between my legs. Sorry for that.
humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Why’s she flexing about a paper that a white male couldn’t understand?
Also science is full of arrogant people, both males and females.
therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
What does skin color and gender have to do with this?
stoy@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Funny, but what does the skin color have to do with the situation?
Retrograde@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Image failing to load here :/
niktemadur@lemmy.world 1 month ago
…later that evening, that’s when this poor wounded white male post doc subscribed to the Ben Shapiro podcast.
magnetosphere@fedia.io 1 month ago
Any kind of interruption seems rude AF, and that’s without even considering the sexism and insinuation that she’s incompetent.
What’s the norm for the audience in situations like this? Raising your hand? Holding any questions/comments until the end?
radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 1 month ago
Not as confrontational, but had a similar experience with a collaborator. Due to the PIs’ old habits, our collaboration meetings were telecons (telephone landlines, rather than zoom or other video conferencing). So at a conference, I see a poster from a member of the collaboration, having never seen the faces of many members, and go over to introduce myself. This other grad student was in poster presenter mode, so as I approach he immediately asks “So you are interested in [collaboration project], how much do you know about [project]” and I point to my name on the author’s list and say “well, I am that guy”.
aport@programming.dev 1 month ago
That man’s name? Albert Einstein
Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
He really said “get back to kitchen” and she responded with “I am kitchen”
someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Is McCarty, not et al. (unless bipolar?)
downpunxx@fedia.io 1 month ago
at the table, after his question was asked, and her eyes squinted in delight, it was at that moment he knew he had fucked up, he just didn't know how yet
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Hilarious. I actually witnessed this online when someone tried to “well actually” another user and it turned out that user was the author of the paper they cited.
zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
That et al is the best scientist, they’re in all the papers.
nick@midwest.social 1 month ago
What does “human drivers of fire” mean?
player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
And then everyone applauded..
But seriously if I witnessed this, I might actually applaud because that is a pretty badass bit of trivia to get to whip out.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
et. al
I wouldn’t mess with her, she contains multitudes!
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
DEAR GOD! The patriarchy! A successful woman…who’s probably rich and living in a nice house and owns a nice car who may have not put her face out there that much wasn’t recognized for who she was immediately.
Also who was that guy? what are his qualifications? Has he achieved anything?