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• cryptosporidium140@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Was gonna say I vaguely remember when HP implied some level of quality

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    • dan1101@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      HP was indeed affordable and good. They made good laptops and laser printers for many years.

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    • DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I remember Carly Fiorina getting hired and almost immediately things started turning to shit.

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    • Godort@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      HP is still plenty serviceable as long as you’re getting HP Enterprise. The consumer stuff has been trash for almost 20 years now.

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    • egeres@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Actually, they are still ahead of the competition in industrial printing, their indigo and pagewide web presses are very good and reliable, but of course those products belongs to a whole different market segment

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    • ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Running Linux on a HP Victus desktop. The hardware is fine (I got it at a good price when my last home built PC crapped out and graphics cards were overpriced)… Bloat. Bloat everywher in windows.

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  • pfjarschel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As someone who works extensively with the spin offs instruments, I can safely say that they would be just as outraged. They are all bad quality, fail VERY frequently, and, guess what, you have to subscribe to be able to use all the features of the hardware you bought.

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  • IHeartBadCode@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Jokes on you. HP is moving into the energy sector with their spinning bodies with magnets attached.

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    • toiletobserver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Classic Dilbert

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• dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  At their “cheapest” 0.099 euro / $0.11 USD tier it is literally cheaper per page (albeit certainly not faster) for me to print documents as 8.5x11" 0.1mm thick single layer slabs of plastic on my 3D printer.

  An entire “blank” page, i.e. no cutouts for text or anything, would be about 0.754 grams of plastic. That’s about $0.0143 per page at a not-too-exorbitant retail cost of PLA filament ($18.99 USD for a kilo) and the material usage would be even less once the negative space for text is added. And I don’t even have to buy the paper.

  That’s mind boggling. Apparently I’m in the wrong racket.

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  • n3m37h@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s pathetic, hopefully they go out of business soon. Just think of all the filiment that could have been made instead of e waste

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• guacupado@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Get a Brother laserjet.

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  • forgetful_fox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I was highly considering a Brother, now I definitely will get one.

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    • teamevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Epson Eco Tank is the cheapest best printer I’ve ever had.

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    • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve had two in the span of about 16 years. Only reason I got a new one was because I couldn’t find decent drivers for it for Windows 8. Considering with HP and Epson inkjets they wouldn’t even last 2 years, 8+ years is a good deal. Brother printers are excellent.

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    • Alchemy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Mines been good. Light to medium duty use.

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  • Lev_Astov@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I got a huge office printing center thing from government liquidation out of my nearby military base for $55. It came with more toner than I could ever use in my lifetime.

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  • PurpleTentacle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also evil now. Latest firmware (~2020) outright blocks third party cartridges or, even more evil, accepts them and then secretly and intentionally, prints like crap:

    news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131

    Everything until ~2019 is awesome, though. Just disable firmware updates.

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• PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Holy shit, .15 euros per page? Why not just run to der Kinkos? I haven’t checked but I imagine it’s cheaper there. I get the convenience of having a printer at home but this is like if every cup of coffee you make at home cost you the Starbucks $8.25.

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  • Nommer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or just don’t buy HP.

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  • MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The correct answer, as usual, is: don’t buy HP.

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  • 50gp@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    probably cheaper to print with blood than to use HP printers

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    • PervServer@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Really cheap if you BYOB

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  • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In the US, if you print ~52(+) B&W pages a year, HP Instant Spyware is seemingly cheaper.

    FedEx Kinko’s:

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    Non-EU- lett Packard:

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    For color, HP’s cheaper once you print two pages a month.

    Printing is a good excuse to walk to the local print shop. Let’s say, though, you have to drive your Honda Civic a couple miles through Los Angeles - that adds roughly thirty cents of fuel (ignoring other vehicle costs). (That’s our bestselling car in our second largest city, because you wouldn’t give up your parking spot in NYC.)

    Conventional wisdom is to buy a Brother laser printer, but there’s a bit of upfront cost for the color models, which are a little larger when comparing versions with scanners to inkjet all-in-ones. Who wants to do the math on those :)

    …whoh they have their own subscription!

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    Anyway I think this is more like having a printing-press-barista in your closet instead of going to the print-barista down the street. It could be anywhere from 76 cents more expensive to $5.80 less expensive a month. Compare to a Mr. Coffee which you’ll pay off right away by skipping Starbucks.

    tl;dr let HP siphon your data, what’s the worst that could happen? 😈

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    • friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Does that include the price of the printer?

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    • Mellibird@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You forgot about that beautiful thing also known as your local library!

      Mine is around 2 miles away from my home and only charges me 10¢ per b&w sheet. Its absolutely perfect for any printing needs I may have.

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  • TheFriar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My thing is…they can dictate how much you use YOUR OWN PRINTER??? Like…how? Why? What.

    Like…

    WHAT.

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  • LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    $8.25 for a Starbucks? Man, it’s like £3.55-£4 here in UK.

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    • RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Depends on the drink. Get a super-frappa-extrashot-sugar bomb and yeah, it’ll be $8-9 easy. A regular medium coffee is $3 or so.

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    • romano@lemmy.shtuf.eu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve got a whole 0.5kg bag of coffee for that much in Germany, and that’ll last me almost a month (~25 cups). What’s so good about Starbucks that it costs as much per cup?

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  • tomasz@lemmy.sieprawski.pl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The cheapest plan 0.099 Cents for each page 10 pages in the month. 1500 pages per month 54.99 € respectively.

    Yeah, depending on where you live, it may be cheaper to go to your local printer shop. Plus minus cost of transport and your time.

    I did not check HP’s prices to Poland. Table lists 100 pages as 0.07EUR/page. Krakow, Poland, nearby printer shop takes ~0.02-0.07EUR per A4 page, and there is no subscription. Nor doing 100 pages.

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• yoz@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Brother printer gang printing with their tears of joy.

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  • Facebones@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I got a Brother with the big chonker carts, I usually only print once every 5-6 months and I’m still g2g like 5-6 years in.

    I gotta run a cleaning cycle each time usually but that’s perfectly understandable haha.

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  • PurpleTentacle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Here too, just don’t update your firmware (and turn off auto-updates). Brother went evil around 2020, too.

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    • yoz@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What !! Really? That’s sad

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• anarchyrabbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Easy. Ever buy HP. Their printers are shit and so are their laptops.

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  • Plopp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What’s wrong with their laptops? I’ve never had any issues.

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    • baked_tea@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      For starters you don’t need a heating unit if you keep their laptop running inside

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    • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Their consumer line has very poor build quality. Cheap everything. All of the plastic is flimsy and breaks easily, inadequate cooling, etc. They’re built about as good as Acer, but at a price that you’d expect from a much, much better brand.

      Then there’s how dedicated they are to screwing you. I won’t touch them again for any reason after how malicious they were with the nVidia failures.

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• crystalmerchant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Jesus fuckin Christ I was today years old when I learned about HP Instant Ink. Good gracious what a scam

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  • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The whole company is a scam. I’ve seen a couple of big companies get nice bulk discount contracts.

    $1600 off of laptop workstations. Who the fuck can afford a bulk discount of 50%?

    I don’t think they even used HP printers.

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    • CollisionResistance@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The whole company is a scam

      HP laptops also come with spyware installed. Hp touchpoint analytics, that you can’t remove.

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    • RunawayFixer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While I do agree that HP is a very scummy + awful company, their pricing system is not worse than that of many other companies. Many many companies use an inflated listed price system in combination with very large discounts, often fixed discounts per customer.

      There’s several benefits to this. One of the biggest is that it allows their vendors to give nice “discounts” to entice ignorant customers. Ignorant people are more likely to buy a $2000 computer with 50% discount than a $1000 with 0% discount. And occasionally someone will come along and be scammed out of paying full listed price.

      Inflating the list price is just very common and 50% is not even one of the worst offenders, just look at American health insurance prices for a much more egregious example. Construction building suppliers also systematically use it and “discounts” of 40 to 70% are common.

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    • kalleboo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The big companies like that get the laptops at cost because they sign up for juicy support contracts, which is where the real money is

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• notannpc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Breaking news: Printer company behaves like printer companies always have. User hostile.

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  • Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This just in: Capitalism works

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• sagrotan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you still own a HP printer, it’s your own fault. Sorry. Got an Epson with liquid refill, loved it, equipped my company with it & recommended it to everyone I know. It’s not even expensive & the quality is impeccable. Plus: no problems whatsoever over Linux.

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  • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wait till you find out it purges the lines every print, and while you can replace the purge sponge, the system doesn’t always have a “reset the purge sponge” option. And the ones that do use a rather unknown button combination that may or may not work.

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  • disconnectikacio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have an ecotank, no linux support.

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    • sagrotan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sorry, that happens when you do too many things at the same time. Canon. I’m talking of the Canon G4511 liquid refill.

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    • Librenautik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My epson ecotank l6490 works like charm with Linux…

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  • overzeetop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My FIL owns an HP with a subscription. I’ve given up on the things he wastes money on; most of them he’s not really technically savvy enough to implement anyway. (And, yes, buying a printer and getting it installed may exceed his technical abilities)

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  • pankkake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have one of those, it won’t work with my Linux though :/

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    • sagrotan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Now I fucked it up, my finger wrote "Epson x while my brain thought “Canon”… I was talking the Canon G4511.

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  • dog_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I only use it for scanning now. I was mad when my parents bought a new one.

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    • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Education is the key.

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• wosat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It amazes me that there are so many people who buy a printer, are offered this “pay $x a month for Y pages” type of plan, and say yes. I mean, sure, HP sucks, but they wouldn’t be able to get away with such slimy business practices if there weren’t so many people willing to pay.

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  • Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am obligated by my work to offer this to customers when they buy an HP printer and I make it really clear that it’s a bad deal for most customers. There are some edge case examples, like a lady with a small business who always prints exactly like 3 pages a day. The other customers who agree to buy it are almost always the super old people who don’t want to have to come to the store to get more ink. I think it’s a shit program that should be scrapped entirely, but some people really don’t care if it’s a bad deal as long as they get the convenience. No different than 7-11 up charging shit because it’s easier to buy it at the market down the street than the Walmart a few miles down the road.

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  • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Spend a bit more and get a laser and have it last exponentially longer. That’s how I’ve been rollin.

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    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I keep saying it around here - my 1996 Lexmark laser just died in July.

      Almost 30 years old. And I think I can fix it.

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• thejml@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just making it easier not to buy one!

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  • perviouslyiner@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “buy”

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• YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So the plan dictates how many pages you can print each month? Feck no! I own a Brother laser printer and I’m so glad I escaped the HP madness years ago.

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  • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes and no. If you exceed that, I think they just bill you for the next tier.

    If you cancel, they immediately remote disable the perfectly working cartridges already in your printer that are still full of ink. Even if you’ve fully paid for the remainder of the month.

    It’s a complete scam. Just don’t buy an HP printer, Instant Ink or not.

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    • beyondthegrave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Of course they disable the cartridge. You’re paying for ink on a subscription. If you didn’t pay for cart in full, why should you be able to use the rest of it? That’s literally what you signed up for. Otherwise everyone would get a full cartridge for $1.

      If you don’t want to do ink-cart-layaway, don’t sign up and buy the cartridge.

      Disabling mid-month is a scam though.

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• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ink subscription is a bad descriptor

  You pay per page, if you have extra ink leftover then you don’t have access to it

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  • blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Isn’t that worse? It’s hard to say at these levels of corporate nastiness but I was surprised they could go lower

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, the ink subscription is their corporate speak

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• Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Being boycotting this shitstain company since Carly Fiorina turned it into a perfect example of peak 1990’s MBA management style (the kind that killed companies like GE) and, once again, I get to pat myself on the back for it.

  Almost 20 years of regular smug self-satisfaction for free is a pretty good investment.

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  • ratzki@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Any reliable recommendations for ink jets, in that case?

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    • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Last time around I needed a new printer a couple of years ago, I looked around for decent inkjets and couldn’t really find any brands which weren’t undergoing enshittification, so as I only really need B&W I decided to pony up the extra money and bought a “cheap” Brother laser printer instead.

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    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      None.

      Go laser. It’s worth the difference in price.

      I have a 1996 Lexmark laser that just quit on me in July. It’s 14" wide, about 9" tall and 9" deep.

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• _number8_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  hahahaa i recently dumped them for a big, sturdy, traditional, offline Brother laser. it’s ridiculous how much more satisfying it is to print, especially without HP breathing over your shoulder counting how many pages you’ve printed in the last billing period

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  • LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Satisfying isn’t the word. We have to generally use HP for SAP purposes so unfortunately I have to buy HP for work. Guess what? Every fucking month a few clients need printer support. Just HP bullshit time and time again…

    I have brothers, kyoceras and others that just work and work without any issues. But HPs are just nagging offline fucking pains in the ass.

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• Heavybell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If like me you don’t print much but still need a printer occasionally, get a laser printer (possibly a scanner multifunction, since it can be handy to scan your receipts), and just buy your cartridges normally. Laser toner won’t dry up like ink does, so you end up paying less for your infrequent prints in the long run.

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• BrownianMotion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  At this point, I am positive the HP printer marketing department, have lost their collective minds.

  Most marketing departments are retarded, but this seems to be a new level of dumb. Bricking printers, blocking 3rd party, messing with firmware, price gouging…

  Brother are simple, reliable, low cost and dependable. Every one I have used in commercial or watched in home use have been straight up boss. I don’t own one, but it will be my next printer when the Epson runs out of ink, mark my words!

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• weew@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  HP actually has a brilliant business strategy.

  1. First get a huge customer base via cheap ass product

  2. Remove the customers who care about quality

  3. Remove the customers who care about reliability

  4. Remove the customers who care about price

  5. Remove the customers who pay attention to their monthly bills

  voila, you have like 3 people left who you can charge infinite money for a lump of shit. Infinite profit margins

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• pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Seriously, fuck HP.

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• th3dogcow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wow, what a scam!

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• Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve seen a lot of recommendations for Brother, I want to add one for Ricoh.

  I bought a B/W laser printer from Ricoh (213w IIRC) a decade ago for under 40 bucks and a new generic, no-name Amazon toner refill for 25 like 5 years ago. Printed thousands of pages, just sitting in a corner under the stairs.

  Bonus: it uses Wi-Fi (so anyone in the house can print) and is compatible with generic PCL drivers in Linux.

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• rickdg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The only thing that still might save printers is competition.

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• academia_sucks1024@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Are these posts about HP just a way for Brother to advertise in the comment section

  I mean I’m definitely cancelling my HP subscription, but still. It’s a lot.

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• mrfriki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Who the fuck keep buying HP in 2023 when there are lots of other brands available in the market?

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• LinusOnLemmyWld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The number of papers that subscribers are allowed to print…

  hahaha

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• UFODivebomb@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My brother laser jet still happily prints.

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• Fake4000@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am guessing people aren’t printing as much as they used to and the prices will just go up eventually.

  Also, fuck printers, and HP specifically.

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• Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  in the year of our lord below 2023, it is so easy to just go to a print shop the 0.5 times per year you have to print something

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• RandomPancake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is yet another reason why I would not buy or recommend HP printers anymore. My ancient laserjet from 10 years ago is still going strong, but if it ever kicks the bucket, I’m getting a Brother. They seem to just work without any hassle.

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• dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s literally cheaper for me to drive to a local printing shop, pay for parking, and drive back, than buy one of these dogshit HP printers, and then get scammed by their ink cartridges

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