One thing the fandoms can agree on.

Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨risa@startrek.website⁩

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To help contribute, here’s the only meme I’ve ever done, which I did in response to news that Abrams was working on a new ST movie. And after seeing how well the franchise is going with SNW and LD, I feel it’s even more appropriate.

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The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It was so insulting for him to come out and say he isn’t a fan of the source material. Was it too much to ask to find someone who’s passionate about Star Trek? I know they’re out there.

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- armus@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Exactly! If he was not a fan of any of the 60 years of source material perhaps he should’ve stepped aside and let someone who cares about Star Trek contribute to it
  
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  - pancakes@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Imo, instead of asking why he didn’t step aside, I think the fault is on the studio executives for wanting to go in that direction in the first place. They clearly wanted a different direction to classic Trek, otherwise JJ wouldn’t have been their choice.
    
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- BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  the guy who directed rogue one and the andor tv series isnt much of a fan of star wars, and those are two of the most acclaimed star wars projects since disney bought star wars
  
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  - whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Although I do really like both of those and would probably put them at the top of the current generation of SW, they feel much less like SW properties and a lot more like they’re wearing a SW skin. Which, you know, is fine since it’s actually good and doesn’t destroy the property. Even if you don’t like Andor, they’re still making a ton of just regular Star Wars shit.
    
    JJ basically derailed Trek for those of us that actually like the type of thing Trek was doing for nearly a decade. Basically took until SNW to get an actual Trek show.
    
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- setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It is, or at least was, a strangely popular thing n Hollywood for people working on franchises to claim they knew nothing about them. A kind of “too cool for all this” vanity they were trying to project.
  
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- Magrath@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So he isn’t a fan of Star Trek? Or is he talking about the post Discovery stuff?
  
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  - The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    He said this back around the time he was making (or marketing) the movies, so it had to have been in the late 00s.
    
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Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t mind the Kelvin movies too much. Actively enjoy them for the most part. But JJ was definitely the worst part of those movies by far. You can feel the love of everyone bleeding through despite him, not because of him. So many people worked on those movies who were huge fans of Trek and then he has the nerve to openly talk about how he isn’t a fan of Star Trek.

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- FlatFootFox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The man knows how to absolutely decimate a Starfleet vessel. I’m all for bringing him back if he’s just limited to 10 minutes of an unpowered ship tumbling in free fall towards a planet.
  
  Strange New Worlds is much better modern Star Trek, but you can’t say JJ didn’t take advantage of the theatrical scale of things.
  
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  - Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh absolutely. Visually those movies are stunning. Like yeah, you can argue about plot and what not all you want but the shots of Into Darkness of the Vengeance sliding across San Francisco? Absolutely fucking amazing. And that shot of the Enterprise on a death spiral through the sky before the camera stops and you see the Enterprise slowly rise through the clouds? I have goosebumps thinking about it. I’m gonna need to rewatch that scene again.
    
    Beyond has one of my favorite ship destruction sequences in all of Star Trek. Just the glory of the Enterprise cruising through space before having its throat unceremoniously slit was… Honestly it was a gut punch. Then seeing the saucer section bashing through mountains before crashing to a stop? FUCK! Not to mention the follow-up scene of reactivating the thrusters and causing the saucer to flip over.
    
    Honestly the visuals are a huge reason as to why I enjoy the movie so much.
    
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  - dejected_warp_core@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I like this take. Use him like you’d use a stunt coordinator, or a pyrotechnics specialist. Have a complex action scene that needs to convey action, chaos, high-stakes, and fireballs, for 12 straight minutes? He’s your guy.
    
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- porthos@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I didn’t hate the Kelvin movies, aesthetically they were trash in that they took a scifi franchise known for inspiring good UI design and expanded upon it with absolutely horrendous UI. Seriously the computers and interiors of those ships are so ugly it hurts.
  
  Also, starfleet felt WAYYYYYYY too much like a military for me in those movies, there was no attempt to differentiate starfleet from a direct analog to the U.S. military and that just gives me that “kind of want to throw up” feeling every time I see it in star trek.
  
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  - Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The part about the visuals of the ships is mostly opinion. I don’t think they’re that ugly.
    
    I mean… there are a lot of differences that separate Starfleet from the US Military. That seems like a bit much. However the militaristic thing in general is completely explained in universe. It’s not just a “Oh, Starfleet is more of a military now!” thing. The Kelvin was rocking along, doing it’s typical stuff, and then suddenly a massive warship with unheard of weaponry shows up and proceeds to obliterate it, killing a massive amount of people and forcing over 800 other people to run for their lives. All in no time at all and within Federation borders. Prime Timeline Starfleet beefed up the military aspect after the Borg and only increased due to the Dominion. Makes a lot of sense to me that they’d step up the militaristic aspect in a universe where a random incursion within their own borders left them completely defenseless. Then 20ish years later, the fleet that was sitting at Earth and is responsible for Earths defense is completely wiped out in less than 10 minutes by that same ship. At that point it would be absolutely idiotic to not have Starfleet be more militaristic.
    
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SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I love me some JJ Abrams hate. The man deserves it all and sooo much more.

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- ummthatguy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What’s annoying is that he’s good at pacing and creating intrigue. He just never knows how stick the landing without turning the plot into swiss cheese.
  
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  - scytale@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    He’s a great visual director, but he needs a good writer to keep him on check.
    
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  - semi_sentient@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Creating intrigue is relatively straightforward if you don’t worry about sticking the landing.
    
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  - Hugin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Is he good at pacing? His movies are just go go go go without any room to breathe.
    
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- sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “Star Trek was too philosophical. So I fixed it.” -JJ Abrams
  
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negativenull@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
lens flares

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- samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Needs more lends flare:
  
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ummthatguy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- Izzy@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It will be interesting to see how bad they botch Three Body Problems US adaptation.
  
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samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
At least with Trek it was an alternate universe, rather than the canon he got his hands on with Wars.

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- thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Because of the nature of Trek, it was easy to retcon into an alternate universe. The world building in Star Wars didn’t leave much room for that.
  
  Maybe they can keep ignoring it for another decade, then write it off as a vision from the Dark Side.
  
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  - samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah, it’s kinda funny how the supposedly more fantastical Star Wars has no really out there things like time travel or alternate universes.
    
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  - hypelightfly@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Disney already wrote off 90% of what was canon at the time and turned it into "legends" when they bought rights. They can do it again.
    
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  - whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Honestly, just move away from it in the timeline. Legends canon has a a few thousand years to work with, and one of the funny bits about Star Wars is that even though the Old Republic and New Republic exist extremely far apart, the vibes and aesthetics are all fairly similar. And although I would say that Andor is proof you can do cool things with a Star Wars background, at its heart SW is a conceptually fairly simple. Young person with the help of wise wizard and plucky band must master his powers to face down the evil tyrant. Now, is that the OG trilogy? Prequels? Sequels? LoTR? The Matrix?
    
    JJ at least got this part, the problem is you have to add enough flavor to the story that it doesn’t feel like a complete rehash, which JJ failed at with TFA even if that was the closest the sequels got. No idea how Rian made it out of the pitch meeting, pretty clear he had no interest in making a SW movie, and basically just went “never mind all that” to TFA. And then JJ has to land the plane that was basically rebuilt into a railcar midair, and it went about as well as could be expected.
    
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- EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  …Somehow, Abrams has returned…
  
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- DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Unless…
  
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HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one [bot] ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think if he had done ALL 3 sequel trilogy movies for starwars, it woukd have turned out much better.

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- NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  JJ Abrams can only begin narratives. He has no idea how to solve any of his own mystery boxes.
  
  Look at anything he’s ever done and you will probably not find a satisfying conclusion.
  
  He can start a narrative better than most creators, he just has no idea what do to with it once it’s running.
  
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- DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Who knew throwing away your plans twice in a trilogy would backfire?
  
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  - Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well, you can blame the fans for that.
    
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  - tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Everybody except Hollywood executives
    
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Underwaterbob@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve hated him since Lost. Possibly even Alias. Stupid mystery box bullcrap, Yeah, some unresolved mystery is fine. Your entire show shouldn’t revolve around boatloads of them being insufficiently explained.

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- Rubanski@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh no, that was him ruining Lost?? I had no idea but it’s very fitting…
  
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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The films really weren’t that bad

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- EdibleFriend@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yep. I liked them. Movie Trek has always been action anyways. He did some shit I really enjoyed honestly. Like Kirk being a rocker totally fucking fits.
  
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  - dejected_warp_core@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Movie Trek has always been action anyways.
    
    Yes, absolutely.
    
    Except for Star Trek IV and at least half of Star Trek V.
    
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- hansl@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They were very typical “J.J. Abram’s has no idea what a franchise is actually about”. He actually admitted not having seen any extra materials about the franchise before making the movies, and rehashed existing storylines because it’s safe.
  
  JJ Abrams is loved by the studios for the very same reasons he’s dreaded by the fans.
  
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- Sawzall@lemmynsfw.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I hope you are talking about star trek.
  
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  - possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What’s star trek?
    
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- EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The validity of your comment really depends on which movie franchise you’re referencing
  
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- directive0@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Beyond was actually kind of dope, IMO.
  
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stephfinitely@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Eh I liked Star Trek 2009 and Force Awakens. I can get into how I dislike into darkness and episode 9 but not worth it.

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Riccosuave@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I also don’t want Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy anywhere near Star Wars or Star Trek. Add them to the list as well.

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- Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I'd be happy if Rian Johnson got another chance with Star Wars. Brick, Brothers Bloom, Looper, and Knives Out were all great and at least personally The Last Jedi felt like it was trying to set up things to pay off in the next movie since he was originally slated to write and direct Episode 8 and 9.
  
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  - Riccosuave@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’re entitled to your opinion, but I certainly don’t share it. I have never been as disappointed by any movie I have ever seen. I literally hate every single thing about it.
    
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setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I say give Zach Synder a wack at it.

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- MajorHavoc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I do need to see Picard snap Q’s neck in cold blood.
  
  Also it could be fun seeing Riker spend a whole film trying to kill Picard for no adequately explored reason.
  
  Troi would be the saving grace of the film and end up with a separate stand-alone series of films that completely ignore all existing Trek canon.
  
  The rest of the cast would also get solo movies, but ones forgotten either months after, or at worst, months before, their release dates.
  
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  - samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I always wondered if there are different versions of individual Q in other universes or if there’s just one of each that exist in all of them simultaneously.
    
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  - xyguy@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I wouldn’t mind letting James Wan have a crack at a Star Trek film though. He made decent work of Aquaman and Malignant is basically already a Star Trek TNG type of plot.
    
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- negativenull@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That could be amazing!
  
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  - setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
We’re not going to include JJ’s most ‘successful’ protégée, are we? *cough

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Starkstruck@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Abram’s doesn’t even LIKE Star Trek. So for him to get the job directing it is just mind boggling.

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AGD4@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Let’s cut back on the Ricks as well, while we’re at it.

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AlexisFR@jlai.lu ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I just started watching Discovery after enjoying all three movies back then. For now it doesn’t seem much better…

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Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
He dove right in and I think got the point. The only thing I don’t like about the JJ Abrams films are the aesthetics. It’s a funky mix of the original style, but “how it would have looked if TOS had money.” They should have made it look as hokey as the original, IMO.

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