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  • sudoshakes@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Elon Musk could have actually done something for humanity and build two of those instead of buying Twitter.

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      • Acters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Dude literally owns a boring company, he could have ate the cost of digging the tunnel to specifications and still have more money than buying xitter

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      • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And he’s driven the value down below the price of one collider. He’s lost an entire super collider!

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      • Steve@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You may not realize this, but the twitter money still exists. The former owners of twitter have it under their mattress right now, why don’t they build a supercollider?

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      • pufferfischerpulver@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I disliked the truth of what you wrote so much, I initially downvoted you.

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      • spectre@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I mean we all know this, but if he wants his “brand” to be “Mr. Nerd Shit” why tf does he miss such obvious Ws?

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    • arin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Upkeep might be expensive, but 22 billion is probably lower bound estimation, highly likely to 5x that at least

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      • TigrisMorte@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So, we'll need to kill fewer brown children to pay for it?

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      • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Pff the UK is spending that on a 70 mile railway thats going to be slower than the one already there, already spent nearly 2x the projected budget on just 6 miles of the fucking thing.

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Maybe the government should spend less on avocado toast.

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    • SrTobi@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fucking hell, we can’t get a tramway for 10b CAD around here and a 12km tunnel under a river was going to cost half a 100km collider 😐

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      • EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The problem is a train needs to transport humans, whereas the collider just needs to transport teeny tiny particles and keep a receipt of their arrival.

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    • cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The US has given 4 times that to Ukraine. That’s 2/3rds the budget of NASA.

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      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s actually surprising that NASA only has 50% more budget than a single particle accelerator, given the huge number of cutting edge projects NASA is working on.

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      • psycho_driver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Money spent fighting a morally justifiable war with Russia that we aren’t actually having to fight is money well spent IMO.

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      • daellat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They have mostly given stuff they weren’t going to use anymore worth that amount when bought new.

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      • psmgx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How many people has the moon killed? Cuz Russia has killed tens of thousands. They’ve lost on the order of 250k of their own guys, and probably inflicted roughly the same numbers on the AFU.

        The moon doesn’t kill old ladies sitting in their apartment.

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      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This initial budget estimate is 44x the 500M initial estimate of the jwst for comparison. Jwst eventually ballooned to 20B, but I’m guessing this would similarly balloon over time as well.

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    • uis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t remember where I heard that science is super cheap, but I did not belive it first. Some time later I see that it is.

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      • petersr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I guess everything is relative.

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  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Budget:

    • Military Complex > CERN

    Long term value to citizens:

    • CERN > Miltary Complex
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    • Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But particles don’t make my dick feel big

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      • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Even quarks aren’t that small.

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      • Raxiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hold a particle in your hand first, then your dick. The relative difference will make your dick seem at least ten times bigger!

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      • ReadyUser31@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s because you’re using them wrong!

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Congress: Audit NASA > Audit the Pentagon

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m just amazed that funding $22 billion is even an issue when the project is being backed by the EU, and partially the US, since we never built ours…

      That’s a rounding error for both entities

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Guys, the trick is to get it partially built and then cancel funding. Then scientists will never trust you to fund anything ever again, and you get to act like science is a waste of money while you’re spending ridiculous sums on fighter jets.

    Yes, I am still bitter about Waxahatchie.

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    • End0fLine@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Having the corpse of the Supercollider Superconductor in my backyard growing up (not literally) makes me wonder what could have been if the US wasn’t so shortsighted.

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      • Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It would be badass if it was literally

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      • TheHighRoad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s really sad as a clear landmark on the map of the US’s descent into scientific irrelevancy on the world stage.

        “If there was demand, the market would have built it!”

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    • aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      TIL

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      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He’s a great video documentary about it by Bobby Broccoli if you want information and have two hours.

        youtu.be/3xSUwgg1L4g

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      • HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “A US-Japanese trade mission where SSC funding was supposed to be discussed ended in the George H. W. Bush vomiting incident.” LOL

        TIL as well and have been to waxahatchie without knowing.

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      • slinkie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Wow, thanks to that article TIL about the George H. W. Bush vomiting incident

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I would have loved for the SSSC to have been built as well. It probably wouldn’t have found the highs boson till 2010 or maybe as early as 2009. The computer technology of the 90s would have severely limited the things ability to be understood. CERN creates GB of data per second. I can’t imagine what that thing would have done, and then we need to be able to process that much so we can filter out the noise.

      I was 12 when it was announced that they weren’t gonna build it, and even though I was just a kid in IN, something shattered for me that day.

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    • cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think we realized halfway through building that we couldn’t build bombs.

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      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It was a bit more… complicated than that

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    • snowe@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That project put my dad out of business. Government gave him (part of) the contract, he did a bunch of work for years and then poof, project gone, not gonna pay you for it.

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    • GenesisJones@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I was looking for this comment lol

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  • Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Remember when people were worried about these killing us all by creating a black hole that swallows the Earth?

    Can this one just hurry up and do that please?

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    • Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      yeah but no

      but yeah

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  • ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This fucks, way better use of 22 billion dollars than usual

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    • Kanda@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But we could kill kids in the middle east somewhere for that money!

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      • Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Physics class: “Imagine a perfectly spherical cow moving on a frictionless surface…”

        IDF physics class: “Imagine a perfectly spherical bomb moving towards a frictionless Palestinian hospital…”

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      • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Just toss the middle east kids in the super collider.

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  • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d rather spend 22 billion on this than in Israel or more weapons of war

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    • RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We have wasted way more money on way stupider projects. Would love to see this built rather than the military getting even more money.

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    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      …or another feeble scheme like the 5000th pitch for a “hyper loop”

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      • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hyperloop was known high schooler nonsense from the start, at least this will get something back, whatever it is.

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  • Draegur@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    i hope someday we construct a collider that spans the entire circumference of the earth. But we’d probably have to build one that spans the circumference of the moon first, and then maybe mars, since the oceans are going to be a bit of a doozie to work around that we don’t have the technology for, whereas the interior of a collider is supposed to be evacuated, so, the moon almost kinda already handles that for us. heat might be an issue of course, but if we can figure out thermal radiator panels that can dump the heat straight into space, maybe we could pull it off…

    mars would address the heat issues, but those dust storms are no joke and the dust itself is microscopic toxic/caustic razors and it’ll try to get in everywhere and ruin fine instruments it touches. Moon dust is also really bad but there’s no wind to kick it up on the moon obviously…

    but damn. DAMN. imagine the fucking science we could get done with a LUNAR-SCALE PARTICLE COLLIDER!!!

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    • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Halo

      Just gonna throw that out there

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      • bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Master Chief, we need you for one last mission >!bro!<

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    • Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fuck it, orbital collider. Earth deserves a cool ring

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      • agent_flounder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes. Orbiting the Sun

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      • italien@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        queue halo theme

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    • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Now I’m imagining placing a ring of gigantic dyson-sphere powered magnets in an intergalactic void to create the final and ultimate supercollider, the size of a galactic supercluster

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    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Gotta build it as an orbital ring.

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    • Epicurus0319@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The Moon’s daytime is half a month long and can reach 120 C so we’d need some pretty powerful heat shielding. And there’s no ozone layer to protect the electronics from radiation, and I’m pretty sure the Moon orbits outside of Earth’s magnetosphere. And the shielding used for such a project could also be used to fix climate change here (and terraform Venus later) with orbital parasols

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    • marcos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s probably opportunity to do some really large colliders in space, for much cheaper than on any celestial body.

      But then, people are having a really hard time imagining the fucking science we could get done with a lunar-scale particle collider. That’s why the merely 100km one isn’t getting any money.

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    • rckclmbr@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why do we need to do it around a planet? Origin of Halo confirmed

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    • KittyCat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If gravatons are a real particle, we’d need one on on the order of earths orbit around the sun to see it. Maybe someday lol.

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    • 018118055@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Linear collider to Proxima Centauri

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    • tryptaminev@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think on earth is preferential, and you’d have to build it underground anyways in order to shield it from interference.

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  • Yokozuna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fun fact, they were going to build one in the US crossing the borders of LA, TX, AK. They even dug out the damn hole, but they shit canned the whole project so now we’re just left with a random giant circular hole underground.

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    • misterundercoat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think I saw this in an anime once. Something to do with a big Philosopher Stone or something.

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  • Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Imagine if only 1/10 of all countries GDP went to scientists and patent bullshit didn’t exist ? We’d be mining asteroids and sipping coffee on Mars.

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  • AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mfw this pipe dream costs 22 billion and we just gave Israel 105 billion to keep genociding

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  • Starkstruck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d rather spend money on science than killing innocent people.

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  • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    When I look at the inability to fund big science projects like this, I’m reminded of the most fictional thing to ever happen in a science fiction movie.

    The film? Contact.

    They build a giant portal machine thing.

    Gets blowed up by terrorists.

    But that’s okay, because they’ve got another one!

    What?

    Yep!

    “Why build one when you can build two for twice the price?”

    FALSE. SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF FAILURE. ABORT.

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  • kot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sorry bro, we spent the 22 billion on the genocide budget.

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  • TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How about one that goes around the circumference of the Earth? That would be boss.

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  • TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    STOP BUILDING PARTICLE ACCELERATORS. Hadrons were not meant to be collided! Years of research and no use found for particles any smaller than SAND!

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We need this one to undo the timeline shift the last one caused

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  • 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But how will it be called? “Even larger Hadron Collider”?

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  • barrbaric@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I agree, this is a shame.

    We should build an even bigger one.

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  • bazingabrain@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    so theyre building black mesa irl?

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  • nicetriangle@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I'm pretty bullish on science investments, but I've heard multiple arguments that this thing is probably not worth the money. The most prevalent argument I've heard to the contrary is basically "we could discover something that might be interesting." But like very little in terms of concrete measurable returns on investment for it.

    This article does a good job of arguing against it I think. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-world-doesnt-need-a-new-gigantic-particle-collider/

    My mind isn't made up on the topic, so like can anybody explain to me why this thing is actually worth 30+ billion dollars?

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Maybe they should do a Kickstarter.

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  • shath@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    fuck it just give it to em

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  • qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The fact they are suggesting 100km in circumference tells me that the size of this thing was not planned based on scientific research, but they wanted an easy, big number. That being said, go science! I’m all for additional research, provided they don’t explode our planet, as I would be mildly upset if they did that.

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  • Sylvartas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    NA copium. Where’s your $21B collider ?

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  • shiveyarbles@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The next step… a human collider

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  • PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Science bad

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  • Epicurus0319@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I hope we can build one that can use hydrogen fusion like the sun; such an energy source would make an excellent power source, even if small

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  • rubpoll@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As a Tales From the Loop TTRPG enjoyer, this rocks

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  • Gorillatactics@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So dollar for dollar, are all those colliders worth their value over say extra tenure position for scientists?

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  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    See here from physicist Sabine Hossenfelder on the subject:

    youtu.be/lu4mH3Hmw2o

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