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Apple calls Android a 'massive tracking device'

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Jezebelley@lemmy.zip⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://9to5google.com/2023/11/02/apple-android-tracking-slideshow/

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  • Synthead@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pot, meet kettle.

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    • cyborganism@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      SOME hardware. I hope you’re not picky with your devices.

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      • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I mean, it’s a higher count than Apple with exactly…0

        Does anyone else remember that old project from many moons ago that was working on getting Android working on iOS devices

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    • hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hello from GrapheneOS 👋

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      • willis936@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The GrapheneOS kicked out of AOSP for being toxic and shady?

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    • BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Android being open source

      Hahahahaha. Good one.

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      • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes. LineageOS and GrapheneOS among other forks are some obvious counterexamples to the narrative that Android isn’t open source. Then there are the countless vendors that use it in China without Google software. I know it’s cool to hate on Google and I do partake but that’s simply a fact.

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      • elouboub@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Android is opensource. It has closed source components, but they aren't necessary to run Android.

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No kettle here, just a couple of pots. The kettle is shiny and reflective. The pot is seeing its own reflection in the kettle. Hence there’s no kettle in this scenario.

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      • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        🤯 Thank you for your service.

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  • bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Apple literally scans your photo galleries for illegal photos.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No they don’t

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    • Contend6248@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But only local, look into the source code, heh.

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      • bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Righ, just like how three letter agencies definitely don’t have zero-day exploits into your devices (until they remeber about that one they definitely did put in)

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    • Eggyhead@artemis.camp ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Source?

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      • nikolaioellegaard@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I assume they’re referring to the now cancelled CSAM wired.com/…/apple-photo-scanning-csam-communicati…

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      • bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        theguardian.com/…/apple-plans-to-scan-us-iphones-…

        It’s since been backtracked as cited from another article. I was unaware as I don’t use Apple products and only heard about the plans when they were originally announced. I will update my original comment to reflect the feature being backtracked

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    • snrkl@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then Australia’s Basic Online Safety Expectations made it required by law:

      “If the service uses encryption, the provider of the service will take reasonable steps to develop and implement processes to detect and address material or activity on the service that is or may be unlawful or harmful”

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      • Eggyhead@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Service” sounds more like something such as iCloud than my personal, on-device photo library to me.

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  • Paorzz@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lmao pot called the kettle

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    • NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Instructions unclear. Smoking pot from a kettle.

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      • thorbot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        task failed successfully

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    • June@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      P sure the only difference is that Apple hoards the data while Google gives it all away.

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      • Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Google also doesn’t give it away

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No kettle here. The kettle is shiny and the pot sees its own reflection in the kettle. That’s the meaning of the phrase. Just two pots, one of them pointing out the other is a pot.

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  • Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well yeah, as much as I dislike apple, the majority of Google’s income comes from advertising - and to be the best at it, they need to have more personal data than everyone else, which = lots of tracking.

    How do we open source hardware and make it competitive? If we figure that out, maybe we can break free of yet another 2 party system we’re creating lol

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    • BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You give them the freest phone with the most open operating system you can find and they’ll install spyware themselves.

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      • registrert@lemmy.sambands.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Give a person a privacy phone and they’ll install spyware on it.

        Give a person a want for privacy and they’ll get a privacy phone and never install closed source apps on it.

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    • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As opposed to Apple where advertising is a growing revenue growth that they’re definitely not gonna maximize because they have other revenue streams.

      Agree on the hardware point. That said you can buy a Fairphone or a Pixel today and install usable Google-free software on it, today.

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      • registrert@lemmy.sambands.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There are plenty of phones one can install notgoogled OS’es on, but it requires the buyer to look up the list of phones that are supported.

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      • BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m a little iffy on just how Google-free any Pixel after 5 is even if you run Lineage or something.

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hope eventually risc-v become the norm. It’s the closests to the open source hardware idea.

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      • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Unfortunately, no matter how open the hardware and software may be, for the vast number of people it will never be possible to verify that one specific peice of hardware is running a specific peice of software.

        And even if the tools existed to enable normal persons to do this, they would need to trust that the hardware/software in the tool has not been tampered with and that the tool is running it.

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah I’m laughing at the top comment which equates Apple and Google on this. Please give me a break. Apple sells ads within its App Store and some people would have you believe this makes them an ad company. Meanwhile Google collects data from your browsing, email, phone, and tried damn hard to hook us on its social media products, and they run ads on all of those as well as third party sites and apps. I mean FFS come on.

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  • AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’re absolutely right, but the last person who should be pointing that out is Apple, of all people.

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    • Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Kind of a “takes one to know one” situation here

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  • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Unless you use GrapheneOS this is true. But iPhones aren’t any better. GrapheneOS is the only solution.

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    • bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      PinePhone

      Multiple OS choices, hardware kill switches for connectivity/camera/microphone, expansion pins, etc. Modest specs but for enough functionality to be a daily driver, zero ads or spyware, and infinite customizability, $400 is a steal.

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Linux phones are not at a point where you can actually daily drive them. They even lack support for basic apps like Signal. The camera and battery on the PinePhone aren’t great either. These are concept phones, but nothing that anyone can actually use. Also, Linux distributions are much less secure than GrapheneOS or even AOSP. And good luck getting normies to use a Linux phone, it’s already hard with desktops, but impossible with phones.

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      • recapitated@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Mine was unusable IMO but maybe I didn’t try hard enough.

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    • deranger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      iPhones aren’t any better

      Anyone got a source for this claim? I see it repeated often in this thread with no supporting evidence.

      I’m not disputing it, I’d just like to know more.

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        www.tomsguide.com/…/android-ios-data-collection

        The full research paper: www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf

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    • elouboub@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just have to pay google 800$ to leave the google ecosystem. Seems legit.

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My Pixel 6a was 300 bucks

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    • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And if you don’t buy Google’s Pixel you’re just fucked?

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      • SandbagTiara2816@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I believe LineageOS has a wider selection of devices

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      • thorbot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No, Google does the same shit. You just decide which big company you give your data to. Or use a Nokia on 2G

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    • Gekoloniseerd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’d like to do this but it looks a bit complicated. Maybe there’s a video guide I can follow so that I don’t fuck it up.

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s actually super easy. This guy makes great videos about GrapheneOS. This is a video install guide, it’s really not that hard. You really don’t have to be worried, there’s nothing that you can really fuck up. If something doesn’t work, you just try again.

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    • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No? There are many other ways to ensure privacy on Android.

      1. Best option: Use a Custom ROM (which Graphene OS is an example of). However, going via this route is almost always a headache, as all devices don’t have specific, stable builds, etc. Also, going this route poses a very real risk of bricking your device.

      2. Easy and safe option (I would recommend this): Buy a device with stock android instead of the crappy MIUI and other variants. Disable all google services and apps and install all your applications from Fdroid. Install a firewall like TC from Fdroid for additional protection.

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        all devices don’t have specific, stable builds, etc

        GrapheneOS is actually very stable and has specific builds for all the devices they support. It only supports Google Pixels, because these are the reference devices that AOSP is built for. They also have great hardware security features like the Titan M series of secure elements.

        Also, going this route poses a very real risk of bricking your device.

        Not with GrapheneOS. Their easy-to-use web installer makes is basically impossible to break your device during the installation process. It’s really easy and maybe takes 15 minutes.

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  • Asudox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not wrong but ironic coming from apple.

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    • icedterminal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      From their own privacy policy they outline what they do:

      For research and development purposes, we may use datasets such as those that contain images, voices or other data that could be associated with an identifiable person.

      To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple and our partners and licensees, such as maps data providers, may collect, use, and share precise location data, including the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device.

      Apple’s websites, online services, interactive applications, email messages, and advertisements may use “cookies” and other technologies such as pixel tags and web beacons.

      We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising

      At times Apple may provide third parties with certain personal information to provide or improve our products and services, including to deliver products at your request, or to help Apple market to consumers.

      Literally all of this is what Google does. The only thing Apple does differently is hinder 3rd party apps to a greater degree. But to be fair, Google has been improving the Privacy features of Android with each version.

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No kettle here. The pot sees its reflection in the kettle, kettle being shiny. Just one pot calling another pot black.

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  • sbv@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    tbf Androids are about the same size as iPhones

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    • elouboub@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Googled Androids yes, not degoogled ones. There's a big difference.

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    • Live_Let_Live@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pot calling the kettle black.

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Pot calling the pot black. The kettle is shiny and the pot is seeing it’s own reflection, at least in the original meaning of the phrase.

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  • yrmitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Surely Apple won’t steal any of your data when they just say “trust me bro” 😊

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  • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Ignore those AirTags”

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  • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And, what is an iPhone?

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    • HW07@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      iPhone is the same thing, but you don’t have a choice.

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    • zingo@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      IPhone scans photos on your phone even!

      LOL!!

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      • WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Laughs in GrapheneOS and Immich.

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    • TheLobotomist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The same, but for rich cool people

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    • Mustard@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A miserable little pile of secrets!

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      • Ew0@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        iPhone is Dracula?

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  • AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    At least with stock AOSP I can look into what’s going on and see what creepy things are going on. I try to do something similar with apple and I can kiss the air in my lungs goodbye permanently with the way they’d probably hound me.

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  • jcdenton@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s ironic

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  • Norgur@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just because Apple hinders tracking by others doesn't mean they don't do it themselves. Just because they can't decrypt your phone when the FBI comes knocking doesn't mean they don't track you.

    Think about it. What was Apple's privacy advertising all about? It was never "we don't track". It was about encryption and how they prevent others from tracking. Yet, my wife's Siri can always find the nearest whatever and suggest stuff based on my wife's "preferences". Curiou, ain't it?

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  • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s rich.

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  • mlg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure both iOS and Android are probably permanently backdoor-ed by the NSA, or at least they have a nice list of 0-days to whatever they want lol.

    On top of Mobile OSs being the most heavily targeted by nation states, especially back in the early days of cellphones, Android is a massive source tree of java junk garbage with way the hell too many versions. I really would not be surprised if something is discovered a decade from now.

    Aside from nation state actors however, Google is probably even worse because they effectively feed on FOSS and force OEMs to do random bs like requiring a crap ton of garbage if you want access to google play, or pretending they actually care about RCS and not about pushing their equally useless gapps.

    It really is its own spyware.

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  • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Android is made by a marketing company, iOS is made by a computer company.

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  • snrkl@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For those interested in privacy respecting android, check out GrapheneOS on Pixel: De-googled android that is strong on security and rips google out of your device… Ive been using it for two years and won’t go back. ::: spoiler Title

    :::

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  • Poggervania@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As opposed to the iPhone were Apple is definitely tracking what people do on their phones and their information via Apple ID?

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  • danielfgom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Juan already answered this on another thread

    lemdro.id/comment/3314038

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  • skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I use a pixel with graphineOS and it’s more while apps in my work profile are awful, apples in my main are all open source. I think the issue is the all mobile devices are tracking devices out of the box

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  • WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s “fuck you” money talking. Apple knows thst it’s audience is basically a cult that would never leave and eats everything the Apple says lol.

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  • nostradiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, sure… youtu.be/nQ9LR8homt4?si=q7Lhe9a67DO_0IXY

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