I’m all for it.
Man, I’m just going to say it… I’m sick of all the Linux people saying it’s the solution to all problems in computing. Can we not talk about anything else here on Lemmy? This article is about Windows.
Petition Calls on Microsoft to Extend Windows 10 Support | PCMag
Submitted 1 year ago by OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.pcmag.com/news/petition-calls-on-microsoft-to-extend-windows-10-support
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Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
I mean, this is platform which runs on Linux and embodies the same spirit which drives Linux forward - the collaborative power of opensource software. Is shouldn’t come as a surprise that there’s a heavy skew of Linux and opensource enthusiasts here. If you’re sick of all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a propriety forum, perhaps one with a red alien logo.
This article is about Windows.
The article is about Window 10 becoming EOL, and given how many people are put off by Windows 11, suggesting Linux as an alternative is a reasonable comment, IMO. Feel free to argue otherwise if you feel so strong against it.
Secret300@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Sorry but the answer is Linux. It’s got great support for devices and is open source. If adobe and a few other companies would port their software for Linux there’d honestly be no reason to use Windows or Mac except for a few that prefer it.
If bsd was more popular than the answer would be that. We just need to have an open source OS as the norm
graymess@lemmy.world 1 year ago
100%. I’m very happy for the people in the Linux community who have collectively supported a free and open source operating system that is effectively as good or better than the two leading OSs with massive billion dollar corporations behind them. That’s unfathomably impressive, and deserving of all this praise and, of course, wider adoption.
However
I’ve spent my entire life on Windows, my professional career on Mac OS, and the last dozen or so years with my phones running Android. I absolutely do not have the patience and free time to become fluent in another fucking operating system. And I’ve tried. On at least two occasions, I’ve attempted to run a media server on Linux. The experience was utterly fucking miserable and made me want to give up on technology and live in the woods. I have no doubt that I’d have a different outcome with better resources or more time to learn properly, but I’m done. Hopefully the successes of Linux drive change for the better in the other two. Linux doesn’t need 100% adoption to make an impact on the way Microsoft and Apple develop their own systems.
Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You do know that Android is Linux right?
iegod@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Photoshop alone is worth keeping a windows or OSX device around.
gornius@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You just need to realize that Adobe doesn’t release their stuff on Linux, because it doesn’t allow them to, but Linux desktop market share is too small.
It’s a chicken and egg problem. Once Adobe would release their stuff, magically there would be a massive movement to improve HDR support, color accuracy etc.
And you need to realize Microsoft achieved such a giant market share thanks to illegal monopolistic practices in 90s, that still have huge impacts today.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
That’s an Adobe problem
Move to Linux and it will follow
d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Photoshop runs reasonably well under Wine now, if you follow this guide: github.com/LinSoftWin/Photoshop-CC2022-Linux
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Well, someone could develop a new OS or a mainstream-friendly fork of Plan 9. The problem is literally over-reliance on privately-owned, proprietary software during an era where enshitification is the norm. GNU/Linux is the most mainstream-friendly OS that is not* proprietary.
*Some bits that are regularly used are obviously proprietary. See: RHEL
KroninJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m strong on the Linux side and just swapped over my last PC from Windows. Long time it’s been needing it.
But I completely agree with you. 95% of consumers would most likely have difficulty just getting it installed. Basic usage, maybe a greater number could be fine using it but once something goes wrong, no one wants to use the terminal.
And this is also a Windows thread.
Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Based on my conversations with my clients, it seems like the 2025 date is going to result in the greatest Linuxing of all time.
nutsack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
as an avid multi-decades linux desktop user who has worked at a company before, i believe there is no way in fuck this is true.
Damage@feddit.it 1 year ago
Yeah, I work in industrial automation and I don’t see how it could be possible
Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You’re right in that this isn’t true of your typical working folks who use Microsoft 365, Sharepoint, or specialized design software.
There are a lot of folks who just use their computer for a web browser. When you tell them that their hardware, some of which is as young as 2017, will lock them out of security updates in two years, they’re pretty receptive to alternatives like ChromeOS or Linux.
For some of the older population, the simplicity of such options is a huge perk.
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
The year of the Linux desktop is upon us. The prophecy has been foretold by the sages of the code. A new dawn is on the horizon. A new era of freedom an power approaches as more and more disks are cleansed by the mighty forces set free by Stallmann and Torvalds. No more shall the users be enslaved by proprietary software and restrictive licenses.
The Year of the Linux Desktop is upon us, and nothing can stop it.
weedwhacking@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it’s not Windows 7
BudgieMania@kbin.social 1 year ago
Well it was replacing the tile-silliness of Windows 8, any OS that booted would receive some goodwill in comparison
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I wouldn’t count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model it will bd recieved far worse than 11 did.
salton@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It seems a little far fetched for a subscription model to take off after Microsoft basically turned the OS in to freeware with ads.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.
The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.
In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.
scottywh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s been articles saying that’s disproven and it’s so far out I don’t get why people are even talking about it at all yet really.
Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 1 year ago
failed 11
By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?
Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.
We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.
Asafum@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Have any of the other relases had a hardware requirement that even 3 year old PCs don’t meet? I just built my PC in 2020 and win11 is telling me I can’t upgrade because of my basically new hardware…
My bet is on many many people simply can’t upgrade.
kuneho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
before 10, on 8.1 everyone was the same with 10, that it will be the next Vista, by the same logic that XP was OK, Vista was NOK, 7 was OK, 8 was shit, 8.1 was OK…
don’t forget, for several years, 10 was unuseable and lots of people - including me was not willing to use it.
for a few years, 11 will be the devil but soonly enough the migration will happen - it has to, if someone needs Windows…
isles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
10 became usable when they walked back most feature changes and made it closer to 7. I had completed blocked out the awful start menu at 10 launch.
festus@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I actually like 11 compared to 10 (so far as I like Windows in the first place - I only use it on my work-provided computer, Linux everywhere else). People rightly complain about the advertising and tracking for why they won’t upgrade but doesn’t 10 have that too?
weedwhacking@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I still have windows 10 on my work computer which is the only windows device I have, and it is riddled with advertisements, especially the start menu
Adalast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I remember Microsoft saying that Windows 10 would be the last version they would ever release and everything moving forward would just be iteration and improvement. Knew that was a lie immediately.
Metz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Microsoft never said that. Its a myth that refuses to die. A single developer on a conference mentioned something as a sidenote, the press misinterpreted it and the internet took it and ran with it.
argarath@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do you have a source for that? I’d love to read how that myth came about, I’m serious I’m not doubting you
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Windows 11 is just Windows 10 23H2. It’s just a number. Nothing stops MS from dropping support for older processor in an update for Windows 10.
cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
As someone once told , windows 10 would be that last version of windows.(I like to keep it that way , at least for me😅).
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
That someone was Microsoft 😆.
Jaysyn@kbin.social 1 year ago
Don't really care. Once this PC can't run Windows 10 anymore, it's getting Mint.
Senex@reddthat.com 1 year ago
My next computer will be Mint and open source programs.
hiddengoat@kbin.social 1 year ago
I've recently had to pretty much stop playing games due to repetitive stress injuries so that isn't even relevant anymore. The only thing keeping me on Windows these days is 3ds Max.
No, Blender is not an alternative for what I do, don't even start.
Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I know you said don’t even start, but I’m curious lol.
I’ve used blender a lot, I’ve never used 3DS Max though. What would you say are the biggest issues with Blender in your scenario?
e0qdk@kbin.social 1 year ago
Given the amount of progress on getting 3D games to work well under wine/proton lately, I wonder if it's possible/practical to run 3ds Max under it yet? The only test results I can find for it are ancient.
krayj@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
My system significantly exceeds all the performance requirements for Win11, but it doesn’t have the Trusted Platform Module 2.0…and therefore cannot run Windows 11. It’s disappointing that my system can run circles around a lot of newer devices but can’t upgrade because it’s running on an older motherboard. It’s dumb that Microsoft made TPM 2.0 a deal-breaking requirement for Win11.
squiblet@kbin.social 1 year ago
Apparently you can get around that with a registry hack that tells the installer the machine has it. Not that I’d want windows 11 anyway…
TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
IIRC if you use Rufus to make your installer USB it has a preset for Win11 with no TPM. Again, not that you’d want to go out of your way to install it but doing it that way is pretty seamless.
0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
Their pals in the hardware industry say thanks for the ewaste.
Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m curious what CPU you have that is on the supported list but doesn’t support TPM 2.0 in firmware. Or are you just assuming the CPU support list is decided by TPM 2.0 availability?
Because most of the CPU support list is actually about hardware-accelerated virtualization features like MBEC/GMET and the performance penalties of having to emulate them when not present – up to 40% performance loss using kernel virtualization without MBEC/GMET in particular.
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Laptop. He has a laptop. But, even if he had a TPM on a higher end Intel 6th and 7th gen Core i7, Win11 still wouldn’t install without workaround.
TheGuardianWolf@lemmy.pixelcollider.net 1 year ago
You can just disable that requirement with Rufus
bleistift2@feddit.de 1 year ago
Never mind the millions of PCs that don’t want to downgrade to this garbage.
SirStumps@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve been using Windows 11 for a while now and honestly I don’t understand the hate. Who needs personalized functionality? Who needs to be able to move their bar from screen to screen? I do. I’m moving to Linux.
rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
We had petitions for everything, Windows Phone, you name it a decade ago. That won’t do jack shit unless it somehow comes with some large sum of money (how much? who knows) for Microsoft or some bean counter decides “hmm, maybe the environment shouldn’t take another for the team” and gets the company to change course before they are canned.
elouboub@kbin.social 1 year ago
A nonprofit group has sent a petition to Microsoft, urging it to extend the end-of-support date for Windows 10 beyond 2025 to prevent “the junking” of millions of PCs.
"junking". Install linux on it you mugs!
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yup, putting this date on my calendar as the last time I’ll own a Windows machine.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Trouble is, to upgrade I’d need to do a mobo upgrade, and I’m not doing another mobo upgrade any time soon.
Windows 10 wasn’t great compared to 7, but I bit the bullet on that one because security updates are essential these days, and my workplace is microsoft-centric.
Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.
pycorax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.
For the more technically strong people, I can see that happening but I very much doubt the general public would do that. They probably don’t even know what Linux is.
alienangel@sffa.community 1 year ago
Yeah less savvy people are going to do what they always do, just keep running their old system but now with even more vulnerabilities due to lack of security update availability.
My dad recently asked me to help with his laptop, which turned out to be running windows xp.
After a lot of hair pulliing I got it kind of working but am gonna give him an old windows 10 (upgraded from 7) laptop, but he’s probably going to be on that indefinitely.
ours@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We know how this is going to end up: many people with obsolete Windows 10 machines full of malware. Botnets are going to live it.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You make a good point - it wouldn’t be a landslide since Linux does form a comparatively small share of the market. However, with the hardware gating, might we not see more companies shifting, which could at least boost public knowledge of Linux?
Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I’m not buying another windows OS.
SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It’s a free upgrade
Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Nah, I’m sticking with Win10. I wish I could’ve stayed with Win7. I have a huge backlog of games that will play great on Win10. Enough to last me for years (thanks steam sales.) And to be honest, I didn’t pay anything for my current Win os. I’m just tired of Microsoft drastically changing the os when they shouldn’t.
LogicalSpace@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I use Ubuntu for pretty much everything, but I would prefer to use 10 in the unfortunate event that I have to boot into Windows.
dlok@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not supporting intel 7th gen and back seemed pretty strong handed, even now they’re still decent processors.
And I know there are work-arounds but not for the average consumer
MrSilkworm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hopefully by 2025 gaming in Linux will be greatly improved even more. Until then I’ll keep using Windows 10 and I’ll start saving for an AMD card
_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 1 year ago
“No”
\ - MS
BudgieMania@kbin.social 1 year ago
The Windows XP/Vista story repeated to the last letter, damn
Windows 11 will be relegated to a footnote in Wikipedia
0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
I’ll stick to XP, 7 and 10 in my VMs then.
jigsaw250@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well, looks like it may be time to try and see what Linux is all about. Any good recommendations for a relatively Out of the Box experience?
I mostly just browse the web and play games (both single player and multiplayer, mostly AAA but also the occasional indie). On occasion, I also like to do some video editing in Davinci Resolve.
Smacks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because petitioning a company works, yeah
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Screw MS. Get a Mac, or use Linux.
Reptorian@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I would switch to Linux anyway. Does any one knows if SOLIDWORKS and Rhino can work in Linux? I know Maya can, and I only use that as a pipeline to convert NURBS to polygon whenever it is needed.
Krita should get better selection tool for foreground extraction, and it would be very easy to forget Affinity/PS as filters are easier to make with C++ there.
nostradiel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It has already long support if you’re not a sheep and use debloated ltsb…
wildcardology@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I thought people hated windows update? Now they want more windows update?
spudwart@spudwart.com 1 year ago
No. Stop.
This is the definition of interrupting your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
Let them kill windows 10, I have atleast 5 friends ready to switch to linux when Windows 10 hits EOL.
Sabin10@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As a gamer, proton/lutris still isn’t quite to the point that I am ready to make the jump. It’s very close though and I’m going to make the switch probably in the next 24 months.
spudwart@spudwart.com 1 year ago
Typically, imo, most people who aren’t ready to jump to Linux are there because their top couple of games are ruled by arrogant devs/publishers who balk at the idea of ticking an “enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.
From what I’ve seen Proton has hit a quality of compatibility that the games will just run, and typically better than Windows. If it doesn’t run it’s usually because it’s too new and proton needs a patch, or the devs/publishers did the aforementioned “no, i won’t tick the checkbox, it’s too hard.” bullshit.
Basically, if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
elint@programming.dev 1 year ago
Are you kidding? I made the jump a month ago and get better performance across the board gaming with proton/lutris than I did with windows.
Diplomjodler@feddit.de 1 year ago
I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I’ll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won’t work in Linux.
nutsack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
you’re a toxic optimist beyond saving if you think any of this
spudwart@spudwart.com 1 year ago
I’m no fool. I know Linux isn’t going to hit 100% desktop marketshare the instant windows 10 goes EOL.
But I do know many people who are willing to make the switch rather than to go to Windows 11.
Windows has been bleeding desktop marketshare for years. They are at a far cry from their 80% of the early 2000s.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah but i still need something windows to stick in my vm.