Submitted 6 months ago by randomaccount43543@lemmy.world to xkcd@lemmy.world
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I average out the spring and fall changes and just set my clocks 39 minutes ahead year-round.
The vast majority of people want it, but we can't get organized enough to politically make it happen.
You can use the word it above to apply to a LOT of things.
It’s really not worth the hassle tho…
Like, back when we had oil lamps and even when we first had electricity…
Sure, why not do it?
But now benefits are negligible, and the downsides like skyrocketing rates of early morning heart attacks are very real.
There’s just no good reason to do it, and lots of reasons not to
I heard somewhere (shit source I know, but I’m at work so not looking it up) that one of the main proponents of daylight savings is golf courses (and restaurants). They get more tee times in with more daylight. And since everyone that rules the world golfs for some damn reason, I don’t see it changing soon.
it was never worth the hassle because its not for your benefit its for the benefit of your boss , you waking up earlier in winter gives your boss one extra hour of work from you in daylight
I want to set my clock back every time. Let’s just do that.
After 12 years you’d have gained an entire day! If that’s not saving daylight i don’t know what is.
If you like adjusting the clock why not do it every day
And if you work nights you are allowed to do it during the day.
Not that I’ll ever be in a position to have employees, but if somehow I ever find myself in that situation, the start of the work day will be set at 2 hours after sunrise.
I’d much rather change my clock to daylight savings time and then never change it again.
We had a vote but it was essentially deliberately ruined from the get go. Instead of yes or no, it was permanent summer time, permanent winter time, or keep daylight savings so the people wanting permanent time split their vote and lost.
I was pro abolition of DST until I got Solar PV, now I like it again because it matches generation to usage better.
Most of my clocks go through the change themselves. My wristwatch is a bit trickier sometimes (radio waves).
Would be less of a hassle to have one time 👍
As someone who is near the south pole… I am NOT living in a world where it starts to get sunny at 5:20am
We did this in Guatemala one year, the government tried to start using DST and half of the population just ignored them. That was a fun year.
I see. Last man with his job in tact wins the debate!
Wait, when is Bonus Beer Night this year?
Two-timing so and so!
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Wait a minute. I’m taking this four steps further for the benefit of all of humanity. Here we go.
One, we need to convert over to 24-hour time. No more of this ridiculous AM/PM confusing crap that makes calculating times confusing. What time is it? It’s 9. AM or PM? None of that. It’s 9. What time is it 8 hours after 9? It’s 9+8= 17. It’s 17. Not 5p. What the hell. Why did anyone even ever agree to this AM/PM garbage?
Two, we need to end time zones. They are ridiculous. What’s the point?? We could all work on GMT. Imagine, the entire world on one date. A whole worldwide party to celebrate the new year at the same time. International flight scheduling would be soooo intuitive. Your flight time is the arrival time minus the departure time without having to pull out a timezone map and consider daylights-savings to calculate it. What time is it on the International Space Station? The exact same time it is for the rest of humanity. Oh, but then half the world will be awake at night. Nope! They would just adjust their working/wake hours. Instead of the Eastern USA being open from 0900-1700, they would be open from 0400-1300. BTW, calculating that time difference was easy since it was on 24-hour time.
Three, we need to change over to the Julian calendar. What the hell are months even?? They don’t serve any purpose other than to sell calendars, maintain the legacy of ancient emperors that dissolved democracies, and gaslight us by telling us that Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec mean 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th. Get out of here with that crap. We’re not buying it. Also, you know who else doesn’t use 12-hour time and months?? The US military. They use GMT and Julian calendars for operational matters? Why? Because it makes sense for a global system to use the same thing everywhere!!
Fourth and lastly, we need to switch the year count to the Human Era. Stop with this whole year based on Jesus’ supposed birth or death**. Do we even know if it’s based on his birth or death? It doesn’t matter. Oh, but historian use Before Common Era and Common Era. Okay…and who’s life happens to line up perfectly with the split? That’s like saying that the American Civil Rights movement ended racism in the country, yet there’s still racial segregation and oppression. This is ridiculous. Civilization is letting the life of one person decide when it started?! What about everyone that lived before Jesus? Abroham? Cleopatra? Mark Antony (the full Roman, not the Romantic Puerto Rican)? the Buddha Llama? Sohcrateez? Confusion? Ea-nāṣir?! The correct year is when human civilization started. We are currently in the year 12,023 of the Human Era.
That’s it! We’ve had enough of this oppression propagated by Big Time, including Rolex, Casio, Fossil, and grandfather. This movement starts right here👇, right now👇! One☝🏿humanity. One☝🏾period in the day inconsiderate of the meridian. One☝🏽variable for the date in a year. One☝🏼love. One☝🏻time.
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Isn’t that just time zones again?
Player2@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
No because if you’re talking to someone on the other side of the planet (thanks internet), you can schedule some sort of event with them without having to look up the time difference before hand
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I never understand the anti timezone argument… Right now I know that across the world they’ll be working somewhere between 8h and 17h local like anywhere else in the world, so I do some quick math and I know when that is in relation to me. Without time zones I need to be actively informed at what time someone across the world is working in order to know when I can contact them…
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Kind of, but not exactly. Those are the hours their businesses are open. However, this takes one variable out of the formula, which is calculating the time difference. Rather than having to know the time difference and business hours, you’d only have to know the business hours. Also, it would be even easier if you just shared your availability, which is what matters anyway, but you don’t have to calculate the time difference. There’s only one variable to communicate, which is the universal time they would be available. It’s super simple.
nickhammes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Julian calendar? No that’s silly. New calendar, 13 months, each is 28 days. You get one intercalary day for New Year’s, and a bonus one following our existing leap year schedule
psud@aussie.zone 6 months ago
The symmetry calendars are better. They don’t break the 7 day week cycle, they instead have a 52 week common year, a 53 week leap year, and a complex leap year formula
I would expect the leap week to be part of the end of year holiday
TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I’m SO glad that in my country the 24H format is the de facto standard! There are very few things I like in this shithole, but the ISO-8601 dates and the 24H time format is definitely one of them.
worldsayshi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I like how your suggestions successively became more radical.
But, Julian calendar? Still a rookie I see.
grayman@lemmy.world 6 months ago
GMT is a time zone! UTC.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You’re always calling me out on my bullshit. I’m sick of this crap! 😋
BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
You forgot decimal time!
We should stop this nonsense of having 24 hours a day, 60 minutes per hours, 60 seconds per minutes, 1000 ms per seconds.
Instead we switch to switch to decimal time: 10 hours a day, 100 minutes per hours and 100 second per minutes.
flerp@lemm.ee 6 months ago
12 divides nicer and evener than 10. If only evolution had given us two extra fingers we’d use base twelve numbers and everything would be better.
worldsayshi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yes! All this plus International Fixed Calendar and then all date issues will be solved forever!
Or until we start going to space for real
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Or just switch to using base 12
Robert7301201@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
That would require redefining the second or no longer linking the day with the rotation of the Earth.
blackbrook@mander.xyz 6 months ago
Where did you get the idea that the Julian calendar doesn’t have months? The Gregorian calendar we use now made a tiny tweak to it to reduce drift, but is nearly the same.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t remember specifically where I got the idea, but when I was in the military, we used it for operations and never used the month. We would solely state the day of the year. If that has another name, then that’s what I’m talking about. A yearly calendar where the date is the day of the year in sequential order without months.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yeah that part didn’t make sense… If they proposed a 13 months, 28 days/month calendar or one without months then ok, but the Julian calendar is just the Gregorian calendar shifted 13 days…
psud@aussie.zone 6 months ago
He means Julian day number. It’s unrelated to the historic calendar
daltotron@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I kind of half-heartedly agree with most of this, but the human era one is kind of stupid. I don’t really care about jesus’s birth or death or whatever, I just have no reason to add an extra 1 to the date for the next 10,000 years until I switch it to a 2. Mostly because I’ll be dead, but also because such a point would be so far in the future that I don’t know that any of this argument will be relevant at all.
thedarkfly@feddit.nl 6 months ago
The same can be said about the thousands in the current year. We’ll basically wait 1000 years just to change the 2 into a 3.
barsoap@lemm.ee 6 months ago
That’s where the names of the months of the Gregorian calendar (which is what we’re using) come from. The main relevant change is the spacing of leap years, making it drift less than the Julian one. It’s still drifting a bit and a fix was proposed back in the 19th century but never adopted. We’ll probably revisit the topic in the decade before the year 4000 where it’s actually going to matter.
If you want a sane calendar try the Discordian one. Though arguably St. Tib’s day shouldn’t be right in the middle of a season. I’d suggest considering it the 0th day of Chaos, giving an additional hangover day for New Year’s every once in a while, also, set the St. Tib’s day years to the same stuff as the aforementioned reformed Gregorian, whith an asterisks saying “change as needed once the earth starts falling into the sun for real”. The starting year (1 YOLD is 1166 BC) is fine because it’s completely random.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Me texting my friends…
Me: What are you doing for Conflufux?
Friend: What is that?
Me: Bro, Confusion 50
Friend: I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Me: Typical
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I propose everything be based on factors of 10 - 10 hours per day, 100 or 1000 days per year, etc. None of this ‘basing time and calendar off of easily and widely recognizable natural phenomenon!’
archon@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I’m a fan of 13x28 days, 1 day in between.
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I hope you’ve gotten your Kurzgesagt calendar like I have!
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The human era calendar is still based on the supposed birth of Jesus though, it just adds 10k to the number.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
According to the video I linked, it’s not though. It’s based on an estimate of the Agricultural Revolution. I think keeping it attached to the year 2023 is a just nice compromise that allows us to keep some fluidity between our previous year-system and Christians that would be upset. Everyone wins and we could move forward from this outdated system.
Sombyr@lemmy.one 6 months ago
I support a move to 24 hour time. I’m sick of waking up from a nap checking the clock to see if I overslept, and it’s like “It’s 5.” 5 what? Did I sleep 1 hour or 13?
Can’t check the sun. I live in the north. The sun lies.
WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Why don’t you just set your clock to 24h? I’ve never had a digital clock without that option
Lime66@lemmy.world 6 months ago
if you look at the julian calendar what will you see? months. I don’t think you know enough about the julian calendar to say that we should switch to it
Kase@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I like it! Meanwhile, the US still hasn’t managed to convert to the metric system. Imagine the confusion if the rest of the world decided to adopt this time system and we didn’t. Oh god
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 months ago
The US converted the only part of its economy and culture that matters to metric, and that’s it’s military!
echodot@feddit.uk 6 months ago
I support going over to star dates. Anyway we’ll need to do this once we leave Earth so we might as well get used to it now.
CoderKat@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Implying we’d ever get off this planet before wiping ourselves out. :/
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Why would we still be counting Earth years when we leave Earth?
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I support your support
Bgugi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Children will be blessed for
Killing Of Educated Adults
Who Ignore 4 Simultaneous
Days Same Earth Rotation.
Practicing Evil ONEness -
Upon Earth Of Quadrants.
Evil Adult Crime VS Youth.
Supports Lie Of Integration.
1 Educated Are Most Dumb.
Not 1 Human Except Dead 1.
Man Is Paired, 2 Half 4 Self.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I like it.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Agree but I sheepishly like getting lost in the Gregorian calendar for the simple fact that the Julian makes it all too evident how quickly life is passing me by and it makes me anxious as hell.
Narrrz@kbin.social 6 months ago
I am 1010% on board with this and will be using no other system going forward
SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
I’m onboard with first moving to this, and then decimal time, aka metric time.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 months ago
The most amount of effort for the least return of actually helping human beings.
And that’s just your post itself, so far.
Can I ask what you think the Julian calendar is?
Turun@feddit.de 6 months ago
I’m with you on most things.
Two counter points though
a normal date is already 14 characters: 2023-10-25-2100
while I dislike the religious connection of the year numbering, I actually don’t care about it. And adding ten thousand to it doesn’t change anything. It’s like putting a spoiler on a slow car and then pretending it’s better now. No it isn’t you are just expressing your desire for something better in a shitty way that is actually worse. Seriously, adding a 1 to the year is a useless change.
If you desperately want to change year zero, there apparently exists the Julian period and Julian day number:
Takumidesh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
International travel would be way more confusing.
If I land somewhere at 9am local time I know that the bank will be open when I land and it will be day time.
If everyone is on the same time and I travel somewhere it will be a complete surprise (or I will have to figure it out before hand) whether or not it will be the middle of the night or the middle of the day.
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 months ago
But who cares? Everything would be open 8am-5pm GMT regardless if it’s sunny or dark outside. Go visit the Grand Canyon at midnight, it’s the same as at sunrise or at noon!
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They used to be used to note the change of the weather from one season to another, in a general range (not a literal single solstice date) sort of way.
However it does seem like the seasons are slipping in comparison to the calendar, Summer starting later and ending later, etc.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I kept trying to disagree but I couldn’t. It’ll suck but it’ll be worth it. We should metricate the English speaking world while we do it. And no the uk has not metricated, they just pretend to have
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I’d go farther and make sure everyone works 365 days a year, 0800-0500 GMT daily. No exceptions!!!
thegreatgarbo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You must appreciate China, they’re all on one time zone.
IndigoGollum@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve been using 24 hour UTC for a few days and one big problem I’ve noticed is days of ðe week. Where I live, days end in ðe afternoon (around 1800 local time) so I get confused about what day of ðe week it is in ðe evening.
blady_blah@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s all well and good, but can you add to the list the US just fucking changing to SI units instead of the stupid ass English system? (Since we’re on the topic of the things that will never happen.)