I'm not kidding when I say for the FIRST time I actually can grasp the size

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• Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sci-fi has issue with scale a lot of the time. Star Trek is no exception. Population numbers and scale of ships is often really bad.

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  • teft@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Look at Deep Space 9 and literally anytime a starship is near it. The scale goes way out of whack.

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    • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In the DS9 title credits you can see engineers repairing the outside of one of the pylons on a spacewalk and the scale feels really wrong

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  • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Oh agreed but I think there’s one major thing which is what really fucks up how your perceive it. There’s nothing to compare it to.

    When we see the ship it’s typically just by itself flying through space where there’s no comparison. Or it happens across a ship but same problem as the Enterprise so no reliable comparison. Orbiting a planet, surveying an asteroid, being yanked into a Pulsar, sitting in front of a Borg cube… All of these huge events have literally nothing reliable that humans are familiar with to compare it to. The closest you can say are the windows but the windows are such strange sizes for what we’re used to that it doesn’t help much.

    Honestly the biggest ‘events’ that I can think of in Trek media that demonstrate the size of the ship are usually ones where the ship ends up on a planet. Generations crash land, Into Darkness crashland, Voyagers Blue Alert sequences, Discoverys crash land, etc. The only other one I can think of is from Picard Season 3. The Borg cube in Jupiters eye. That thing is fucking massive and the cube took up an enormous amount of space in it. That really shook the hell out of me in seeing how big that vessel was.

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  • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s hard for people living on a planet to comprehend how huge space is.

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    • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space.

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  • Stampela@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ever played Eve Online? The “Noob ship” you get free when yours goes boom is bigger than a fighter jet, the battleships (fairly big) are about 500 meters and the capital monstrosity stuff gets to a plainly overkill 17 kilometers. And in all of this? It’s hard to figure out the small ships actually need a crew and aren’t just the pilot inside

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    • thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Zooming in and realising that little nubbin on your Rifter is actually the whole cockpit is quite the shock!

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• SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Have you seen container ships? They’re perpective-bendingly massive. 400m is a quarter of a mile.

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  • Hotdogman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s like, half of a half mile.

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    • soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I came to Lemmy to avoid this Reddit style comment

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    • Szymon@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s as if it’s two times half of a half of a half of a mile

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  • PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thanks because this image still didn’t help. Most people don’t see container ships very often.

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  • hitmyspot@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or 40% of a kilometre.

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nobody knows what kilometres are.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sorry, they use miles in Star Trek. Ha ha, America wins. Stupid Europe and your stupid metric system and stupid rail network and stupid universal healthcare.

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  • Album@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah but youre also saying that the bridge of the enterprise was about the size of a container, which i am not sure is accurate.

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Have you seen a container?

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We get oil exploration rigs docking in our little port downtown. Mind bending is right.

    Sat in the park and watched one roll in one day. Went from:

    There it is!

    Damn, looks pretty big.

    My. God.

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    • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      wait, exploration rigs?

      Those things that look like platforms rather than boats?

      they can dock?

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  • caesar_salad83@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    that’s the origin of picard’s famous saying “I live my life a 1.304E-14 parsec at a time”

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Parsecs are units of distance, Han.

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• lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Going by the caption, it’s the container ship they had a hard time visualizing. Seems weird because I’ve seen container ships IRL but never a starship.

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  • agent_flounder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve never seen either. I’ll have to convert this to “cruise ship”

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    • agent_flounder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ok… the one I am familiar with is Disney Wonder at 294m long

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• ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I used to work at a port and would see those ships out at sea. They look like they are just offshore.

  Then you see the fishing boats go out and all but disappear against the massive backdrop. You realize they’re many many miles out.

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• Drunemeton@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It seems bigger on TV…

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  • hitmyspot@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    TV adds 20 pounds.

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• ummthatguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yeah I’m not seeing how there’s several dozen people moving, working, and living in that.

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  • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A container ships crew is 20-30 people, and that whole thing is mostly containers. I bet they’d fit.

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    • ummthatguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh you.

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  • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But people mainly occupy the saucer portion right? Like they don’t live in the engines.

      Looking at OPs pic, that saucer is very small compared to the container ship.

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    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oxygen is an issue, but heat generation is also an issue.

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  • teft@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They sleep in hallways…

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • iyaerP@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      AS much as I enjoy some aspects of Lower Decks, that was one of the most phenomenally stupid decisions that they could possibly have made.

      The crew sizes for Federation starships are TINY compared to the actual size of the ships. SNW giving every crew member their own studio apartment is something that reflects the ludicrous amount of empty space that a Federation starship has availalbe to it.

      If you ever look at the deck plans, there’s just a crazy amount of space that’s unused.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maybe if they narrowed that hallway a little, they could all have their own quarters.

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  • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In Strange New Worlds everyone above Ensign apparently has their own studio apartment.

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    • jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In TNG and Voyager they all did.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Speaking of which, something funny I noticed about Discovery recently is that Burnham and Tilly continue to be roommates even after

      spoiler

      Burnham gets her commander rank reinstated

      . What’s up with that?

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  • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’d be stacking people on one another for sure. However the tight quarters then gives creedence to stuff like Cerritos and Voyager not having thick enough walls/doors to dampen sound. Then Enterprise-D is a whole different beast and it makes no sense for the opposite reason. It’s too damn big with not enough crew. You’d have people working in their own section never meeting another soul during their whole day.

    But that brings me to something else (because I have severely unmedicated ADHD and I apologize). Picard Season 3 got rapped for having the Titans bridge be really dark all the time. The lighting of the whole ship was way darker. Surprisingly I actually liked that. It felt like they were on a submarine or some small contained vessel, just then against the harshness of what was outside. That submarine quality really should be used in more shows. I know TOS had random people walking around the corridors (like the famous example of a dude who was turning an invisible valve on a wall) but I like those tight spaces.

    Oh and to prove the ADHD? The Crossfield class is 900m long. Roughly. I mean she’s 2/3rds nacelle but still.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Here’s some more perspective. The aircraft carrier pictured apparently carries almost 2000 people.

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    • FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This video has a rendering of the Enterprise D's crew standing in a group on top of the saucer section, to give an intuitive understanding of how ridiculously huge the ship is in comparison.

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    • CarlsIII@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Picard Season 3 got rapped for having the Titans bridge be really dark all the time.

      Have these people not seen The Motion Picture?

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    • ummthatguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Speaking of submarines, SNW s1e4 Memento Mori does a great job with the “flying blind” trope. They even use the “depth charge” trick.

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  • Neato@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If we check this image, use the 947' total size, we can estimate the rest of the dimensions. That would put the deck heigh at about 8'. The saucer widest deck lengths at around 450'. Definitely cramped but doable. There's only about 100-150 crew on this version as well. It's essentially a weirdly shaped cruise ship and nearly the size of our world's largest.

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    • SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      youtu.be/3QF-8n1-3qI

      This one goes in detail. They’re are a few floors that are just sleeping quarters.

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  • Rud_1UP@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought in NG 1000 people lived on it?

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• xantoxis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Honestly thought it was way bigger than this.

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• SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Container ships are fucking massive. The Enterprise only held like 1000 people which is only a small portion of a basketball arena.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well damn, how tiny was Voyager? It only had like 1-200 people IIRC.

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    • VindictiveJudge@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Voyager is just a hair longer than the classic Enterprise, but it’s also chonkier so it has more volume. About 150 people on an Intrepid-class, 200 on a Constitution-class.

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  • ursakhiin@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This Is the 1701, Kirk’s. It only had 430 people on it.

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• ladel@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • brianorca@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Then how about this one: a large container ship carries 24,000 TEU which is about 12,000 40 foot containers.

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• Wilzax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Per kilogram-meter of cargo transported, container ships actually have some of the lowest emissions of any form of transportation!

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  • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d wager that just accounting for emissions in the production of said electric vehicle will make it entirely unable to compete with container ships. Boats are crazy efficient.

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    • Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What kind of emissions are we producing to build the ships?

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    • Wilzax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Good point, I wasn’t considering production.

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I remember many years ago seeing a size comparison between an aircraft carrier and the TOS Enterprise. The aircraft carrier was bigger. I didn’t even know how to process that because of how big the Enterprise seemed to me.

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  • Ryumast3r@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    305m is 1000 feet. The USS ENTERPRISE was 342m or 1,123 feet.

    A modern day FORD class carrier is 1092 ft or 333m.

    For personnel comparison, ENTERPRISE held ~5000 people and a FORD class has between 4-5000 people.

    The fact that NCC-1701 only had like 1000 people is…a big difference.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can understand that on a mathematical level, but on a more emotional one, it’s hard to process. Just like I know that the speed of light is 186,000 mps, but I can’t really fathom how fast that actually is.

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• ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This made me realise you could probably fit an entire small town including all it’s drama on a container ship.

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Star Trek: Evergreen

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    • supercriticalcheese@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Stuck sideways in hyperplane!

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  • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Should’ve done that with Flint

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    • Twipped@artemis.camp ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Flnt is NOT a small town

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• livedeified@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  the Enterprise “D” (632.5m long) held 1000 people IIRC. crazy!

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  • aeronmelon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Even crazier, the Galaxy-class has the capacity to evacuate an additional 10,000+ humanoids.

    When you watch videos like this, you realize that 1,000 is not that much against the actual size of the ship. The entire crew can comfortably gather in the main shuttlebay at the same time.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwx5uB0pyhQ

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• AndyLikesCandy@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I know we only ever see a handful of rooms, that’s fine, but with over 100 crew they always all have personal quarters that are probably the square footage of 3/4’ish containers.

  150m in diameter is one way to think about it. But then it’s also 8 containers long, or 25 containers circumference at the largest point down to no more than a few in circumference at the bridge.

  You know, that seems tiny, it’s like there’s no volume left for the hardware that needs to be between every room and all over the hull

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• Nurgle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  More context, Empire State Building is 380m without the spire, 443m with spire and antenna.

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• TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It helps that containers are a standard size.

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  • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “I literally can’t fathom”

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• supercriticalcheese@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Or this sort of a boat at 488 m !

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• CoolBeance@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Should we start having villages on boats?

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  • NickwithaC@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Those are called cruise ships and they suck.

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• BlueKittyMeow@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I really hate/love that is is what actually put the size of those container ships in perspective for me. I’ve seen the massive liquid natural gas tankers and those things are terrifying big but like… I still didn’t get the scale of these. Thanks sci-fi (look you guys that box set of TOS pays off irl!!!) 🤪

  (Fr tho, anyone else have that set with the plastic curved cases with one of the uniform colors for each season? Prtty curves, infuriating snag-the-case,drop-the-DVD-on-the-floor-and-swear-and-snag-the-insert-pamphlet-closing-it-up-every-singlegoddang-time. But prtty curves)

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• MrShankles@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s what she said.

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• brown567@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I grew up near the coast, so this actually helped me conceptualize the size of the starship more XD

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• CCF_100@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What’s the Enterprise-E look like in comparison?

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  • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Enterprise-E is 685ish meters if I remember correctly (previously my favorite Enterprise/Starship). So its not that much longer than the cargo ship.

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