Submitted 3 weeks ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
Here’s the Politico article that this article from The Independent cites and takes the most sensationalist part of for its headline.
The nuclear threat that Balkhy talks about is mainly potential fallout from strikes on nuclear sites. She also mentions a nuclear weapon because both aggressors have nuclear weapons, but you can tell she’s plainly focused on the former.
Both aggressors . U.S and Israel both have nukes.
They’d be pretty inept if they didn’t.
They also probably thought about shit with Russia/Ukraine
I’d also not be surprised to see some more 9/11 shit in the US. They disassembled a lot of our security infra and put idiots in charge of things.
That’s true, he stole our spy police and made them race police
I’d also not be surprised to see some more 9/11 shit in the US. They disassembled a lot of our security infra and put idiots in charge of things.
I’m reasonably certain that was the goal. They need to manufacture a crisis so they can get as close to a full government bypass as possible. I only hope if it happens, it isnt nuclear or dirty… And if it has to be anywhere… Somewhere directly responsible for the renewed hate.
I honestly would be shocked if herr trump didnt use a nuke
he likely wants a GOLD plated nuke button in the oval office.
Yet begged for a Nobel piece prize. And was offered her’s by one of his sycophants. The fact he thinks it’s some kinda brag goes to show just how much of a joke the non academic Nobel prizes really are.
Yeah the nobel prize peace prize is fucking laughable, I believe the science ones are still legit, though correct me if I am wrong.
They’d be stupid not to prepare.
How?
So much for nuclear proliferation… even as a Canadian I feel we should pursue nuclear weapons now. Then I know USA wouldn’t just invade us one day when Trump gets mad about something petty.
You didn’t get the message that nuclear proliferation was over when the U.S. toppled Libya or when Russia invaded Ukraine twice?
Not boring. Like the sort of opposite really.
I think Trump will seriously threaten with nukes but he won’t actually use them because Russia will MAD back Iran.
Otherwise they would genuinely consider using tactical nukes for instant victory.
I hope you are right. And it makes sense.
On the other hand, that orange child rapist has the temperament of an insane toddler, and wants to be remembered. At the moment he’s remembered mostly for being in cahoots with Epstein and for protecting paedos etc etc, so what better way to change that than by using a nuke on Iran…
If history tells us anything that person is wrong. That was the same thought process in 1914.
I’m pretty confident Russia isn’t going to launch nukes on the US if the US uses them on Iran, unless I misunderstood what you said.
Not on the US but the bases it has surrounding Iran.
Spaceballs? Oh, shit. There goes the planet.
Just wait till 2027 please. I need GTA VI to curb this shit reality
2027 is China invasion of Taiwan. I think GtTA VI will release this coming 2050.
2050: Oops, all Skyrim!
Nukes should be treated like fine China. You only break them out when you have visitors. The visitors needed for nukes are hostile aliens.
“Dammit this planet has fire ants!”
I just know the orange and the drunk clown would get hard from the thought of using nukes if they still could get hard.
What wonderful news!
So what would you do if you ordered a nuclear strike on a foreign country and then you flew your private extortion jet liner to get to your bunker, you run out of the plane…there’s not much time left they tell you. So you keep running into the bunker and you tell the guard thank you for your sacrifice. He starts closing the door from outside for you. You keep running down the stairs and then you hear several hundred farts go off. Can’t pay attention but reach bottom of bunker. You hear the door final close after the farts. You reach the bottom to find an empty concrete room, epoxy coating finish. At the center there is a table and on it half a milkyway chocolate bar. You hear all sorts of banging. Then silence.
Hours later your sort of hungry so you eat the milkyway. Pretty good you think to yourself, considering the destruction you just unleashed. That’s until a few minutes later when you realize you got the runs! You can’t go opening the door! There’s fall out outside! So you poop in the corner. You also gotta pee! Fine just pee on the wall. But the floor is super level so it just spreads out along. Mixing with poo, the smell is mild, almost tolerable now.
Fine! You tell yourself… I must open the first door and knock on the outside just to see if anyone is still alive. I’m kind of hungry actually… Open the stairs door…pew! It stinks like a god would smell wet and smeared in rotten eggs. Dam! Now the entire place smells of fart! You must escape! Get fresh air and food! Fall out won’t be here for another 30 minutes! You can make it! Run! Fucker! Run! Pant a little your fat ass! Run! Shit, these stair are steep! Finally the vault door! Turn it! Except you can’t… They’ve locked you in there! LOL
Everyone is in on it. Everyone watched you eat the rancid milkyway! Everyone saw you waddling on your own poop. They saw your face when you got the farts. Yes! It was us all along! Now festivities! Or maybe we’re all dead. Give up for now. You’ll get stronger tomorrow and maybe, just maybe you’ll be able to open the door and get pizza.
by the US. the only country to have ever used them before too.
You can’t get Geiger’s counter into Lebanon to see if the big explosion from 2024 was nuclear.
Izrael will drop one if it feels cornered or being pushed back.
The Lebanon explosion was not nuclear. Conspiracy bullshit.
The fuck are you talking about? You really believe that there are no ways to measure radiation in Lebanon? The health damage from the radiation would also be way to wide-spread to hide.
I like that conspy theory, sue me.
I don’t think it’s going to be like last time. It’ll be a volley.
Personally I think the most likely scenario would be a big dirty bomb, not an actual nuke. Which might actually be worse honestly.
The danger of nuclear weapons isn’t even the explosive power. It is actually the fallout and radiation it releases.
Nuclear winter is a real thing.
IvyisAngy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Huh.
You know, I was aware about how fucking stupid and awful things are but it never once occurred to me that yes Trump and his yes men are in office and they do have access to nukes.
Like yeah. I knew that, that’s obvious. But it never once occurred to me that thier use would ever be in play. I never thought anyone, no matter how stupid and depraved would use them.
I’m not surprised. But at the same time. I am.
sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Tbf it could be Israel that drops a nuke, but same difference.
wheezy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Honestly, unless they do it without Trump’s knowledge, I don’t think Trump would pass up the opportunity of being the one to press the button.
Obviously, geographically it would come from Israel. But Trump would definitely want to be given the “glory”.
altphoto@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Cancer for you and I and malformities of our grandkids.
eatCasserole@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think if anyone is going to use a nuclear weapon, it’ll be israel.
The US can pull out, president man-baby can write a fanfiction about himself winning the war, and all his thugs can turn their attention to some other debacle, but israel will always be within range of Iranian missiles.
Without US support (and many Americans, even some of the really evil ones, have had enough of israel at this point) it could end up facing an existential threat. They’ve shown again and again that they have absolutely no regard for human life, and they don’t even seem to consider blowback most of the time. I believe this is by far the most likely nuclear scenario.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Nuclear weapons are great at leveling cities, but not so great at destroying military infrastructure. On a per-dollar basis they actually kind of suck as weapons of war. From a purely rational strategic perspective, they’re most useful as a deterrent (which is how Israel has been using them). Netanyahu is an imperialist genocidal maniac but he’s not dumb.
Whereas if and when Trump does get his wish to pop a nuke, it won’t be for strategic gain but because he just couldn’t be restrained anymore. This absolute moron wanted to nuke a fucking hurricane FFS. It’s only a matter of time before he gets his wish since the US military has lost all ability to tell him no.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Iran at this point is likely going to be forced to make a sprint for the bomb. What else are they supposed to do, just accept that Israel will periodically bomb them every few months and kill thousands of people each time? The only path Iran has to security is nukes.
At the same time, it seems now that Israel and the US really don’t have a way of preventing Iran from getting the bomb. The US, let alone Israel, doesn’t even have a military large enough to occupy Iran. And any attempted occupation of Iran would be Iraq times ten. Wave after wave of suicide bombers and IEDs.
Israel and the the US have put Iran in the position where it really needs to push for nukes. At the same time, Israel and the US really don’t have any good way to prevent Iran from finishing their weapons program. They already have highly enriched uranium, and it’s a giant country with countless places to hide centrifuges and bomb-making equipment. The US and Israel are really good at hacking communications and locating potential targets, but I imagine the Iranian regime is quickly moving entirely to analog methods of communication. Literally bringing out the typewriters. I really don’t see how the US and Israel can really stop the Iranians from getting the bomb.
No way…except one. If Iran really wants to push for nukes, the only way to really stop them would be to use nukes against them. You might not be able to find a bomb program divided and scattered in a hundred locations across Tehran, but that doesn’t matter if you simply make Tehran cease existing in its entirety.
That’s what has me so worried about this. The US and Israel are simultaneously forcing Iran to rush for the bomb, while at the same time, the US and Israel have no real conventional method to prevent the Iranians from finishing their nukes.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I can think of an effective way to keep iran from getting nuclear weapons. Agree to and honor a treaty.
What do you mean we tried that and it was working until dipshit donny interfered
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There’s always a way out. Iran could pull a crazy and offer to let oil through if the US stops supporting Israel, builds as much power generation as they want, and enters a defense agreement to protect Iran from unprovoked foreign attacks.
There is always room for diplomacy.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I’ve been thinking they’ll use the bikes since they started this thing.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Same. The rest of NATO would condemn it and kick us out, but they’re not going to retaliate. Russia and China aren’t going to retaliate. It’s a chance to do it and get away with it to the sounds of condemnation but no direct consequences to the people who order it. It allows them to project their power and willingness to go to the extreme. I don’t even think it would be a move of desperation as much as a “because we can”. They love to be perceived as intimidating and project strength.
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I’ve been waiting for this particular shoe to drop since 2016.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The US dropped 88,500 tonnes of bombs in Iraq. That was over twice Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
wheezy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
You must be a well adjusted person and don’t follow his speeches or interviews a lot.
If you’re as brain rotted as me you’ll learn his “jokes” or “I’m not saying buts” are him testing responses to actual things he wants to do.
He has been talking about “the N word” (Nuclear) for awhile. He wants to be a president that is remembered. He doesn’t view history as a person with morality would. He does not care if he’s remembered as a Hitler. He definitely would drop a nuke if the opportunity presented itself.
The only thing stopping him is the restraint of people in his admin. Not the people we see on TV. But the actual military leaders. And these military leaders are not moral either. They are simply concerned with whether is it strategically helpful to use one. Nukes are really not useful in warfare. I think this is literally the last line of sanity that keeps it from happening. We are all relying on war crazed genocide supporting military leaders to not see it as a good strategic option.
However, Iran is different. Trump cannot admit it was a mistake. His ego will not let him. And the military cannot secure trade routes without boots on the ground and hundreds of thousands of American military deaths.
So, well, those military leaders are being put in a corner. My only hope is that a military coup would be much more reasonable to them than dropping nukes.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I hope someone can convince him that dropping a classic would be best and then we have a sideshow Bob situation Image
tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
The threat has been there since Trump said he wanted to resume nuclear weapon testing even though every expert said it was an absolutely terrible idea.
He wants to order a nuclear strike on something. He’s been trying to find the right excuse.
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m honestly surprised the threat of such hasn’t come up before this.
sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I think it has and we just haven’t heard about it.
flandish@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
the US has used them before…
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Im the opposite, it was the first thing i thought of when he made that speech in january, when he became president again. I hope there are people in America who will refuse to use nuclear weapons, because otherwise they are more insane than i realized.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ya I WAS in that boat, till I found out he a pedo bb eater. Now it’s very probable, he has to win. If one goes down, they all do and they know that.