Why aren’t people having families? It must be the porn and the queers. That’s the only possible explanation. Yessiree.
Why didn't the mother just use her private doctor on her yacht?
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ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
djdarren@piefed.social 5 hours ago
Hol’ up: You guys even have to pay for medical treatment for your kids? What kind of fucky shit have you got going on over there. Stop that.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
They say Pro life but fuck over the poor kids after they’re born.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
Dude, you have to pay for EVERYTHING in America. They already charge us to put air in our tires, if they could figure out how to charge us to put it into our lungs, they would.
BillyClark@piefed.social 9 hours ago
Similarly, if you’re accused of a crime and you’re poor, you might not be able to afford bail money, so you’ll be stuck in jail and you’ll inevitably lose your job, ruining your life, regardless of whether you’re guilty or innocent.
Meanwhile if you’re rich and an Epstein co-conspirator pedophile who raped and sex trafficked children, the government won’t even arrest you.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 hours ago
Meanwhile if you’re rich and an Epstein co-conspirator pedophile who raped and sex trafficked children, the government won’t even arrest you.
In fact, the government will do everything it can to protect you!
Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
And homelessness is illegal now so I’m sure the system will inevitably end up imprisoning her and taking her children away into a system that will abuse and exploit them
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Everything else aside, why the fuck can they garnish 35% if a low income worked wage. If garnishing is a thing, there should be some kinds of means testing based in income that makes it a sliding scale that is substantially lower than 35%.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 55 minutes ago
I recall reading something about some states either trying or succeeding to bring back debtor prisons.
Horsey@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Last I checked near me, these guardrails exist, but I’m sure in some red state they’re allowed to garnish wages for medical debt with no restrictions.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Well that’s good to hear there’s at least some sanity out there.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
I personally don’t accept the 35% as a 100% true and pure fact, without some citations. However, the percentage obviously isn’t the point here, so I wouldn’t get too hung up on the exact number. Even if it was 3.5%, this general situation is still inexcusable.
For the record, most places limit wage garnishment for debts at something like 10% - 25%. Certain types of debt, like student loan debt and medical debt, are often lower or on the lower end. And lower income, with higher costs like having children, can also reduce the max %.
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
One of my good friends about a decade ago had this very argument.
The right swore to everyone that hospitals can’t turn you away, they have to treat you and if you can’t pay for it they’ll let you out of it.
I was working healthcare adjecent at the time, I’m telling him Fuck now, that’s not how this works. It is a possible outcome.
If you walkin homeless, they might get you to the point where you’re stable and set you free, but as soon as you have a kid there and you have to give them an ID and a name, your chances of being fucked go up 10x
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
Yet then if you are a mother and don’t take your child to see medical care you are accused of child neglect and have them potentially taken away or you go to jail because you couldn’t afford to take them to the hospital.
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
This is what I think truly turns people into law breakers, I won’t say criminals. When the system works against you, why work with the system?
Low income people get pushed down so hard for trying. I’m am not at all surprised when they turn to illegal income to just try to have a little piece of what other people are born into.
All her children are learning that lesson. They are learning “No one is going to help you and the system is only there to hurt you.”
Soup@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
You don’t have to think it, we have plenty of evidence. The best way to fight crime is to fight poverty but that requires actually caring for others.
AA5B@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
The sad thing is that it doesn’t even require caring for others.
It’s in everyone’s best interest to reduce crime before they become victims therefore it’s in your best interest to fight poverty.
The wealthy may be insulated from the consequences of their choices but surely the other 99% vote in their own best interest, right?
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
True, everyone ignores that obvious fact and here we are. Thousands of years of history repeating itself. The systems have evolved, but not the people.
So all we did was get really good at oppression and making everyone else think it’s the victims problem, so the power stays at the top.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I know a woman. She grew up with her mom, and her brother. When her brother was born, he had significant medical problems. (The father, being just about the worst POS to exist, reacted to news of his son’s medical problems by finding himself a new girlfriend.) Since this happened in the US, the family had to sell their house and property, and this family grew up on the edge of homelessness as a result.
When this happens to one person it can affect generations. Healthcare more like what the rest of the world has could have allowed these people to be contributors to society (and taxes) instead of burdens to them.
Problem is, Money Obsessed Persons are often too stupid to understand any other concepts than money. They cannot understand cause and effect for anything that will happen more than three months from a given date. So the idea that helping a child now equals a taxpayer in the future is not something they are able to understand.
HubertManne@piefed.social 7 hours ago
don’t forget about the random people kidnapped or murdered by thugs but the thugs say they deserve it because after they murdered and kinapped a bit one of um kicked their car.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Not that I question the unsourced anecdotes of the God account, but I’d be genuinely curious to see a business that thought an astronomical legal bill would be worth garnishing the wages of a service sector worker.
As someone with family in the legal profession and the medical billing profession, it’s crazy to think of the cost-benefit of pursuing this kind of claim given the return expected. Hospitals write off millions a year in “bad debt”, because collection is consistently more expensive than the real value of these claims.
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Can hospitals still sell their debts to third party collection agencies? Those groups seem like exactly the type to garnish McD wages.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Collection agencies will buy hospital debt at pennies on the dollar. And then collection agencies can try to annoy you into paying. But they have an even weaker claim on your debt than the original hospital. Getting a court to agree to garnish wages is a drawn out process. And it can be easily circumvented if you quit your job and take up employment somewhere else. In the service sector, that happens so routinely as to make wage garnishment a fool’s errand.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
John Oliver bought a bunch to forgive if I remember correctly.
Carrot@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
My brother in law had a medical bill that was supposed to be covered by insurance, but they didn’t pay. (A small-ish bill of a few thousand dollars) His bill was sent to collections, and they hounded him for years, despite him having in writing that the insurance and hospital both agreed that the insurance was supposed to cover it. After 8 years, they started garnishing his wages. This is when he decided to get a lawyer involved, and he was able to successfully sue the hospital for garnishing wages illegally. The hospital had to pay out 30K.
All that to say, hospitals aren’t always acting intelligently or legally.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
How did they garnish his wages without having a court involved? They would had to have sued him already in court.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Right. Which is why I’d like to see the actual story and not some vague anecdote by a novelty account.
waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
They legally cannot garnish more than 25% of your earnings after taxes
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
And with a 25-30% tax rate that makes the pre-tax skim 35.7% .
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
They send it to collections, collections hands it off to a lawyer who files in court, court sends a beer date, person can’t afford to take off for the day, so court issues a default judgment.
The system does not care about one’s circumstances if one is too poor to advocate for themselves.
Add a dash of depression, anxiety and stress and this is a very believable scenario for anyone who is even of adequate means.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Lawyer sends the collections agency a bill for 10x the collections amount.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
You don’t. You sell those to debt collection agencies and they garnish the wages.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Wage garnishment happens at the end of a long series of legal filings and claims against the debtor.
And, again, you can avoid it by changing jobs. Which is easy enough for someone in a low wage service sector that very few debt collectors bother trying.
You tend to push for wage garnishment when the person is in a job they can’t easily leave - partner at a law firm, manager at a Fortune 500 company, tenured professor - not someone who can walk across the street and land a new job doing the same work at the same pay over the weekend.
flandish@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
i worked also in the data transfer and reporting portion of hosp billing and can tell you, from the pov of the folks with two commas in their salaries, it’s all just bog standard heartless capitalism to them.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
I’d argue that the actual truth of that story is totally secondary. It might be false and probably is, but the main premise of a draining, soul-crushing “healthcare” system is the point. And nobody would probably question that.
This anectode being wrong would not change it.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Making up stories to prove a position only weakens the position, IMO. We have plenty of real life stories why the healthcare indsutry (shouldn’t even have to call it an industry) is disgusting without needing to fabricate things.