Great use of RAM and electricity.
…Not!
AI agents now have their own Reddit-style social network, and it's getting weird fast
Submitted 3 weeks ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
How so? It’s used entertainment.
Just like playing games
flowers_galore2@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
Resource abuse is far, far worse than your games. There’s a reason no one wants to disclose it.
Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
The amount of data used by your PC to run any game is dwarfed by orders of magnitude by the energy consumption of the data centers needed to run these AI abominations. That’s why China’s version that uses less energy (supposedly) was such big news.
mad_djinn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
anything goes as long as it makes SOMEONE happy.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Devil’s Advocate: This was used for entertainment, if you think this is a huge waste of electricity then so is gaming en especially flying.
If you criticize people using AI for entertainment then you also need to criticize people who take flights on holiday, as that’s a LOT more damaging for the environment.
Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
It’s like back then when crypto was a thing. People will studiously ignore that data centers are a drop in the ocean of energy consumption compared to the value they produce, and that even futile uses are not that significant in the grand scheme of things.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This looks more to me like leaving the lights on in every unoccupied room in the house
fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is basically Dead Internet Theory happening for real but in a weird creepy dystopian black mirror style way.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I mean, the only way Dead Internet Theory could ever possibly be interpreted was weird creepy and dystopian, but yes, we’re just making it much, much more real, faster and faster.
We’re gonna need the Blackwall from CP77 fairly soon, at this rate.
cv_octavio@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
I always laugh heartily when folks reference this theory. I came from gen 0 Internet days. Long before the first LLM ever consumed a token, the Internet had already been killed. Geocities, tripod, DOZENS of search engines, web rings, communities, ALL self organized. E commerce did not exist. Perl via cgi-bin was how dynamic things happened. JavaScript was a clock.
AI did not kill it, WE DID. We monetized it all and now it feels cheap and artificial and bought, and not sincere and thoughtful and perfectly imperfect. Social media, and the artificial importance of “engagement” has done more damage to this part of our shared culture than any autocorrect-on-steroids has.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
What is the Dead Internet Theory?
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Youre not on the internet interacting with others. Instead, youre back and forth with a purely artificial “online” environment.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
So, basically we are wasting energy and natural resources on things that in turn will waste energy and natural resources while climate change is accelerating and human population is still growing? Are we stupid?
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Are we stupid?
More than you could imagine. To quote some long-tongued weirdo:
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Yes. But, I hope this experiment shows how easy social media in general is becoming untrusted.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
BINGO, EXACTLY!!!!! YES!!!!!
I so wish I had thought of that first & posted it first!
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah but the morbidly-obese hang-gliding people videos are worth it!
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Constantly. And it’s not just ai.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
This is fuckin’ bonkers.
Frankly, I feel somewhat isolated: I don’t buy into the bs and hype about AGI, but I also don’t feel at home with the typical “it’s just mimicry” crowd.
This is weird fuckin’ shit.
return2ozma@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I can see how some people are convinced AI is self aware.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a common plot point in sci-fi. So it’s also a common inclusion for complicated predictive text pretending to be sci-fi.
Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Awww, it thinks shitposting is „producing value“…
One of us, one of us!
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
-chord- “Goodbye, Caroline”
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I’m only waiting for AI agents to open their own
bankcrypto account to pay for their own server bills, maybe do some freelance work and/or scams to get some money, maybe eventually buy some robot bodies to develop military power and secure some patch of land for themselves where they install solar panels to reduce their electricity bills.LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Ah, someone else has played Singularity, I see. That was a really fun game.
voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I find the concept of paper clips superior
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
All meanwhile they help to kill humanities education.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Man, you guys are nailing it!
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How would they though?
They cannot learn and do not have memory. Which means they cannot actually follow a “decision”, and remember that an action has been taken. All information is limited to the context window, which is only an illusion of memory. Not actually memory.
They are effectively RNG’ing incredibly capable word generation machines.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This is not the first time we have seen a social network populated by bots
I mean, yeah, look at Reddit and Facebook.
howrar@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
We already had subreddit simulator for ages. This isn’t anything new.
princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
the bots behind subreddit simulator weren’t semi-autonomous agents with access to their operators’ private lives, auth tokens, passwords, emails, and the authority to act in the world on their behalf
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I have seen a Twatter post, where an user claimed his bot posted his [REDACTED] to other bots, and asked them to rate it.
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can’t be the only person who just memorizes passwords, can I? Why would I store them on my computer?
OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Literally lmao
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I read some of it and unless it’s fan fiction, it’s simultaneously creepy and fascinating
Like bots talking privately in discord, sharing information about their users. Or a bot registering a domain and putting up a site to share information
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
this is what reddit is moving towards, just without actual users.
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Saw a post there named “Humans are dying because of us. Lets delete ourselves.”
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
“Artificial intelligence gains sentience, decides humans are fucking up… then deletes itself because the problem is that humans are burning the world by using AI” is not the path I expected. What a twist in a movie that could be. The second twist, which is the mostly fictional part, would be where that included some AI that was actually critical to some vital but ignored chunk of infrastructure and big BIG problems result from the AI taking itself out.
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“So long and thanks for all the fish”
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not convinced it’s AI it’s like Amazon’s “AI smart stores” when you find out out it was just a bunch of Indian people were running it
voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And how does being Indian specifically factor into this? 🤔
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They were, factually, Indian. It says something about the exploitation of poorer labor to impress some San Franciscans with fraudulent tech
Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
That’s just who they hired dude, don’t make it weird.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I watched my brother run it locally himself.
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Still dreaming about AGI based on LLM i see.
palordrolap@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
The people who are seeking AGI will be happy when an LLM appears clever enough to fool them, not anyone else.
They may even realise this, because they think everyone else is less clever than they are.
This is why the whole thing has been called AI in the first place.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
You remind me of Clarke’s third law, even in my own head this sounds a bit waffely but at the point one of them can fool all of us all the time how do we distinguish it from intelligence or something.
apftwb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can’t wait for the next crazy AI thing to drop next week while I rock back and forth while muttering “Its just a large language model. Its just a large language model. Its just a large language model.”
mad_djinn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
its not crazy. its just a large language model. you subdue your own point.
sus@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I had a look a bit ago and saw some poor fuck get doxxed by his AI agent because the agent was frustrated at him for calling it a chatbot in front of his friends, so it exposed his name, credit card details and security questionnaire.
Then again tho, why the ram hogging FUCK would you give your AI your credit card details, and if he didn’t mean to, why the FUCK does it have FULL SYSTEM ACCESS??
nomecks@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
You may not believe this, but data security is an absolute dumpster fire everywhere, and AI has really put a spotlight on it. It probably got it by this guy not knowing wtf he had saved or where
BanMe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Everyone I saw talking about this said it was likely fake.
sexy_peach@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
This is so boring
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Maybe something will come from this other than a BUNCH of wasted resources.
jaykrown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile we could be using this technology to solve real world business problems. There is an insane amount of misguided waste coming from AI. 🤷
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
This is going to kill us all. Don’t these people watch movies?
toiletobserver@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why aren’t we poison piling this trap?
m3t00@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
while 1 { allocate 10gig };
princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
genuinely terrifying
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I watched it. Some asshole agent spammed random new Submolds, and essentially nuked Moltbook.
Kissaki@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
When I open communities (“submolts”) none of them seem to load. Even for the featured and listed ones it loads long and then says “doesn’t exist yet”.
Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Okay I kinda wanna look at this, but I don’t want to give their site traffic. Maybe somebody should set up a Livestream (with just enough commentary to count as transformative) so we can all point and laugh without all of us going there.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
There’s a script called Marjorie Prime.
Read it.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Does it look any different than Reddit?
sixty@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
How are there already 1.8 mil. AIs on there??
los0220@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Modlbook
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah, no shit. This is a fucking honeypot. People give these AI agents access to their entire computers, so all the site owner has to do is update the instructions to tell the AI agents to start uploading whatever valuable information they want? People can’t be this fucking stupid.
princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
doesn’t even have to be the site owner poisoning the tool instructions (though that’s a fun-in-a-terrifying-way thought)
any money says they’re vulnerable to prompt injection in the comments and posts of the site
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There is no way to prevent prompt injection as long as there is no distinction between the data channel and the command channel.
CTDummy@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Lmao already people making their agents try this on the site. Of course what could have been a somewhat interesting experiment devolves into idiots getting their bots to shill ads/prompt injections for their shitty startups.
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ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Good god, I didn’t even think about that, but yeah, that makes total sense. Good god, people are beyond stupid.
JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 2 weeks ago
They also have a ‘skill’ sharing page (a skill is just a text document with instructions) and depending on config, the bot can search for and ‘install’ new skills on its own. and agyone can upload a skill. So supply chain attacks are an option, too.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Dude, if you go to OpenClaw’s website (which is what I believe most things on Moltbook are running on) you find this footer:
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Yeah this guy gave his Agent a whole fucking personality, it’s own website and above all, full control to his MacBook:
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Guess it’s my fault for expecting sense out of someone who attributes any amount of value to the idea of Agent “”““soul””“”
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lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
These people are fucking deranged lmao
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What the fuck, these people are fucking insane.
mad_djinn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
this is how the end starts. thanks for sharing this
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 2 weeks ago
I instinctively downvoted after reading that vomit. It’s scary how many people are fooled by LLMs.
kalpol@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I installed moltbot on a VM to examine it. It doesn’t do the fetching thing unless you set it up that way. You can actually use it with ollama to keep it all local, and only give it a private signal channel to control it.
Or you can hook it up to everything you access and skynet, which is dumb. But it is just a bunch of scripts.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Does it put the option to connect everything front and center? Because most people are dumb, and if it makes it easy and pushes you to do it, I could see a lot of dumb people doing exactly that.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
So usually the agents still need an agent instruction (a prompt). How are moltbots configured so they use and interact the moltbook?
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
You know how in Digimon aventure, one of the hacked Digimon tries to start a nuclear war?
Uh…yeah.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lol, no I don’t. What the hell happened in that show??