What if the Internet Goes Down? - 15 Jan, 7PM CET

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• Butterphinger@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Every year I see more on the map. Have a solar node, good fun.

  Ever useful? I doubt it, HAM would dominate in a collapse.

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  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In a true emergency? Yes, HAM is the way to go and I need to get around to buying one of those super sketchy Baofengs. In theory you can configure them to use without a license (which is also on the todo list) but it is super easy to tick into the licensed use. How much people will care will mostly depend on whether your local HAM folk are narcs. But, regardless, all bets are off in a true emergency and Baofengs are dirt cheap.

    But in a “the internet is out” situation? Or even a “please evacuate in a calm and orderly fashion” for a wildfire or a bad hurricane? That is where meshtastic (et al) shine and it is well worth convincing friends to pick up a t-deck or whatever.

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    • ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No wonder they’re insecure with you calling them idiots all the time.

      🫣

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    • ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You just can’t legally transmit without a license. You can own a ham radio and listen all you want.

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    • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Keep in mind that without working repeaters, the baofeng will only have a range of a few miles on level ground with nothing in the way. If the power goes out, most of the repeaters will go down too. Some have battery backups that may last a few hours to a few days. Depending on where you are, a few may be solar powered, but heavy use will drain the batteries. Some repeaters are also reliant on the internet for linking to increase the coverage area.

      What you really want in that case is a portable HF radio and a wire antenna you can string up over a tree branch or a support with a fishing pole. In the daytime, you can use the upper HF bands for long distance communication. That has a range of thousands of miles, but nearby stations won’t be able to hear you if they are beyond line of sight. Since the portable radio doesn’t have much power, you may need to use digital modes to get through. For more local contacts you can use NVIS propagation on the lower HF bands. That has a range of several hundred miles and can even be used to talk to someone on the other side of a mountain. Even 5 watts and an antenna strung 3 feet off the ground can work for voice contacts out to over a hundred miles.

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    • unphazed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You legally need a license for HAM, but there’s nothing really preventing anyone from configuring a radio to licensed frequencies. As for HAMs reporting you, if it’s an emergency the FCC rarely fines anyone if it’s for medical or safety concerns, were any amateurs to even report you. The whole reason for the Tech license for example is just to know laws and rules for operation. It’s damn easy, too. License exam was $25 a few years back, 8 year term. All the questions and answers are avilable online, they just pull (35? I think) from the pool of 400. Most is pretty basic rules of common sense and civility, a few laws. Most tech questions are just converting frequencies and basic math. They don’t require morse anymore (Thank god, or I’d never pass). And if you pass the Tech, you can go right back in for free to try the next exam level. I never use mine, but I do have an HT I keep charged in case of emergencies.

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    • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve been thinking about ordering some but I’m getting some analysis paralysis just looking through the options, any recommendations on a cheap unit I can hand out to some friends, I dunno if I truly need solar, but I guess it’s not a bad option

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    • circuitfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Licensing means nothing in an emergency situation. I never understand why it is even mentioned in these arguments. In fact, even if the world isn’t ending, you can ALWAYS use a ham radio in an emergency with or without a license (defined by the FCC as immediate dangers to life or property).

      More importantly, there are at least an order of magnitude more ham radios out there than mesh devices. It isn’t even close. If the world ends, find a ham radio. Ideally you will know what to do with it when the time comes.

      I wish this energy was just put towards promoting ham, tbh.

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Get a TIDRADIO TD-H3 instead of a Baofeng. Essentially the same price but a nicer feature set.

      Also, be sure to get the GMRS one. They’re all the same and can be reset to any mode, but the way the law with FRS/GMRS works is technically the part itself (the radio) needs to be certified.

      It’s very important that you do not reset it and use it improperly. I would never do such a thing and I suggest you don’t either.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you need to learn about how insecure all of those are.

      By all means enlighten the idiots. Start with meshtastic’s weak encryption.

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ham radio played a massive role while the Internet was out following hurricane Helene. youtu.be/w8hSHq8dGsA

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  • chobeat@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I guess here the topic is more of insurrections, like what’s happening in Iran right now or how it went on in HK

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    • Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How fast could a group of 5 people that want to remove all nodes in the area need to do so? Are they all listed on a map with their location?

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  • chocrates@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is it meshtastic? I’m pleasantly surprised by how much it’s grown around me in just a year

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    • Butterphinger@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s cool yes. But my wonder is if it will be on anyone’s mind when things go south.

      In a lawless world, could you trust anyone that said hello back?

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  • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    HAM will work best for long distance communication but does not have enough capacity to support local short messaging for any major population sizes. Mesh networks scale in bandwidth and will not be overwhelmed as easily if tens of thousands of people suddenly hop on it at the same time.

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    • tal@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think that Starlink covers a lot of disaster scenarios.

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  • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yep its a fun hobby though!

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    • unphazed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I never could really get ahold of anyone to talk to, most Elmers in my area died. So I just use the license as an emergency line. Talked a few times on my HT, but most HAMs in my area use their cell phones nowadays.

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    • FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      how do i make it go?

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• circuitfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ll say what I just said on a similar thread: if the internet goes down tomorrow, mesh will mean very little compared to ham radio.

  Any quality transceiver built in the last 100 years will be more useful. It is purely about how many exist, how lineg they last, and their requirements for use (which are effectively, power and antenna).

  Yes, there is a license that you need in non-emergency situations. It doesn’t change much anything in emergency situations, and it certainly doesn’t affect the fact that there are already millions of radios out there.

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  • JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve come to the realization that mesh nodes are little more than a gateway drug into the world of ham radio. And for that I’m grateful.

    It’s not as good, and does everything worse than radio. The only real world use I have found is for when cellphone networks get overwhelmed at things like music festivals and large sports games. No one else’s texts go through, but I can toss by buds a node to put in their back pocket and we can stay in touch.

    our local mature club is building our local mesh network out now as an introduction to the ham world. And it’s working. It’s getting the younger kids and adults through the door. And from there, it’s an easy thing to get them interested in more useful and fun forms of communication.

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    • circuitfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Now that I like. And I think there is room for both – IF people know and understand the differences.

      Mesh against ham in an emergency is not even a competition, in my view. The numbers just aren’t there. But for random cellular failures etc, I see some utility.

      Personally, I’ve just seen so much more about mesh lately than ham, and it makes me sad. If it’s a gateway, as you suggest, then great. I worry that people see it as a novelty and not a gateway.

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I like the idea of a ham radio, but too voice shy to actually talk lol, so I don’t bother with it.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      our local mature club

      You meant senior citizens or content?

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I bring FRS radios (normal ol’ walkie talkies) to the local Renaissance festival which has awful to no cell reception. It works great.

      But yeah the barrier to even getting a technician license is too high. You get people that get excited and wanna do stuff and then they’re told they can’t. So things like meshtastic where they actually can do radio related things without a license are great.

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    • RattlerSix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve been fooling around with Meshtastic for a couple years and haven’t come up with a real world use for it yet, other than scenarios like you mentioned.

      What would be really cool is if cell phone makers could incorporate a mesh into their phones as a local public channel when the tower goes out. It would probably just be used by drug dealers or something, but it’s the only cool and functional idea I can come up with.

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  • ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    FYI if you’re ham licensed, you can boost the output power of your mesh radio. There’s a setting in most firmwares.

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    • JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If I recall correctly, you can, but it removes your node from the public networks everyone else is using because hams cannot use encryption for coms as part of the rules for ham operation, as the non ham network is encrypted by default. You would have to build a secondary network independent of the public node list.

      Correct me if I’m wrong. But that was my understanding of the difference.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But you lose encryption.

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  • random_character_a@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Here meshtastic has become part of the emergency information network initiative. If there is a coms blackout, intercity/town civillian communications are to be handled by amateur radio enthusiast with licence and communications whitin the city/town will be handled by licence free systems. Meshtastic has been spreading well among the general public, so it has become most viable system to use at lowest level in the chain.

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    • circuitfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But it just isn’t. Why not put those resources towards ham, where there are considerably more handsets already there?

      This seems like a solution in search of a problem thay was already solved, hidden by people who don’t want a $10 license.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll say what I just said on a similar thread: if the internet goes down tomorrow, mesh will mean very little compared to ham radio.

    For what purpose? Hanging out with friends? Watching porn? Getting vital information around?

    AFAIK, ham is really mostly geared towards synchronous voice communication, whereas most of the Internet is asynchronous communication in a variety of forms: text, voice, video, etc. In an emergency, synchronous voice is pretty important. But, for day-to-day life, asynchronous dominates most people’s usage of things.

    So, if the Internet goes down tomorrow and you need to know why, what happened, etc. your best bet is probably not ham radio but normal TV and radio broadcasts, not rumours being spread by other random people using ham radio. If you live in a country where a complete overnight shut down of the internet, and complete stopping of all news broadcasts is possible, then ham might be useful for the first few days / hours to figure out what’s going on. But, in the longer term, ham isn’t really a replacement for the Internet. For that you’d want asynchronous sharing of various kinds of data, which is more a mesh network, not ham radio.

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What good is ham radio in a “replace the internet” situation though? Can you send data over it? I read early that you can’t encrypt it. I’m not an expert on the subject but as far as I can tell from reading about it here, it’s not an answer to this topic.

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    • circuitfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It allows for worldwide comms, even in situations where entire infrastructures cease to exist. This is especially useful for emergency situations.

      There are many, many digital modes on ham radio. The encryption question is one of legality – not capability. But the short answer is yes, you can do various things with data on ham radio.

      I guess it’s a question of the level of disaster / political strife / etc which causes the internet to no longer be usable.

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So, I setup meshtastic.

  Put an antenna on my roof.

  Have a decent number of mesh radios. Put one in each car in relay mode.

  Setup a locally run LLM and made an interface to it.

  Working on setting up a BBS.

  I’m in the high density suburbs, I can, when the weather is just right, reach a single node that doesn’t seem to be able to reach any other nodes.

  If I go on a drive, I can see 5-10 nodes.

  Adoption in the mid-Atlantic US is just so damn low, it’s not really usable.

  We need some antennas up high, but there aren’t any reasonable options around me.

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  • sobchak@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In my area, some people put small solar nodes on top of high buildings (office, university, and apartment). The node on my roof can directly communicate with one of these nodes ~20km away. Pretty crazy tor something that can run indefinitely on a 18650 battery and small solar panel. I’ve heard some people just place “guerilla nodes” to extend coverage.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So, I have rolling hills, but every ideal spot has a cell phone mast, I’m thinking they’d notice. There are some power pylons, I think they’d notice as well. Either one of those would probably be a felony.

      None of the buildings are tall enough, it’s US suburbia. I have a drone, i could probably airdrop a small solar node on a roof.

      There’s a really large water tower a couple miles away, not LOS, but it would be amazing to help the cause. But again, I don’t think that would go over well and i’m not fond enough of heights to install it.

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  • swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Meshcore 😎 you could see if there’s more density of MC around you.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are 4 in my metropolitan area, and I don’t have line of sight to any of them :(

      There are about 30 meshtastic in the same area, but most of them are out of range to each other.

      I even stood one up at work on the other side of town and mqtt’d them together.

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• Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So much of our infrastructure uses the internet now that if it goes down I wouldn’t be shocked if electric grids, healthcare, shopping, public transport, etc also shit the bed.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Add some batteries to the meshtatic nodes. and even if all electricity and networks go down, you and your friends can still organize and plan.

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  • titanicx@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Internet outages happen all the time. Most of these networks can run independent for a time. And are designed to be so. Only smaller networks have issues because they are not designed as such. But things like toast make a small store feasible to run. If electricity goes out then it has bigger issues, but I’ve seen stores go to hand swipe cards before to keep from closing. 

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wonder if that fancy bed company that saw it’s beds freeze 'cos no AWS ever sold to hospitals…

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  • massacre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can only speak for the US, but our electric grids and production are supposed to be air gapped for critical infrastructure. Healthcare? I doubt it based on the continuous leaks there - and medical supply chains are tightly integrated with internet/cloud… Shopping still has a fairly sizeable local accessibility for staple items, certainly food distro where the internet wouldn’t matter for at least a short while, but it’s also tightly integrated for Supply Chain Management, much like Health care - so there could be a run on it.

    I’m not sure on public transport, but most are goverment led, so probably air gapped.

    There’s also a shitton of dark fiber laying about. Internet infrastructure COULD be brought back up depending on the damage that triggered outages in the first place.

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    • LePoisson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Literally all the ordering for stores uses the internet now; we’d be absolutely fucked for a good while if the internet actually went down in the USA.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I can only speak for the US, but our electric grids and production are supposed to be air gapped for critical infrastructure.

      Do oil pipelines count? 'Cos Colonial got hacked and everybody thought they were airgapped.
      I think some water facility was too but no serious values were changed - 'cos and admin preferred to sit comfy at home.

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• msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m just here to cheer on a Jitsi link in the wild.

  Go Jitsi!

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  • Toldry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    For others who (like me) never heard of this before:

    Jitsi is a set of open-source projects that allows you to easily build and deploy secure video conferencing solutions. At the heart of Jitsi are Jitsi Videobridge and Jitsi Meet, which let you have conferences on the internet, while other projects in the community enable other features such as audio, dial-in, recording, and simulcasting.

    jitsi.org/about

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unfortunately I had to remove Jitsi after they started requiring a “moderator” to start meetings.

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• Jyek@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This tech would be great if we had high power nodes all across the globe. But we do not. Maybe a cool idea could be encrypted data over FM radio. The radio stations already exist and are a dying business. Nonprofits could buy up radio stations and rebroadcast data broadly and only those with the encryption keys could decrypt. Cut the ISP out entirely. Like the difference between a local call and a long distance call.

  Meshtastic communication would prioritize local hops where they are available and then where there are spans of area without nodes, they could hop across radio broadcasts.

  Primary issue would be speed. Next to no bandwidth on a signal like that. Kbps not Mbps. Perhaps an incentive for much better compression as well.

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  • Jyek@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    For anyone reading this currently, it appears that regulation bans any form of encryption over HAM radio broadcasts. So I guess that’s one reason this won’t work.

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    • MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How would they find out ?

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    • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s also slow AF. It’s potentially faster to have someone read you text than get it by packet over radio.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think you’re going to be downloading a linux distro over this system. It’s probably just going to be text and the most basic data,

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Packet over radio does exist, and it’s sloooooooooooooow and there’s tons of loss. Imagine the first modems over phone lines, then slow it down more.

    Legally, in the US, it can’t be encrypted, either. A single geostationary satellite would be faster, especially if latency wasn’t an issue.

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  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sounds like a better idea to implement as a reticulum medium.

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• rustinmyeye@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I love Meshtastic. Had a nice convo with a stranger last night while I was LoRa wardriving to test out the range of my new rooftop antenna on my house. 

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• dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The internet will get back up if it goes down. It is very decentralized. DNS is where most of the centralization occurs, and DNS going down is not at all the end of the internet.

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  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That won’t help for situations where a government shuts down access to the internet.

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There are normally only a few points at which traffic enters the country. Shutting them down will effectively cut you from most of the Internet, and the rest that remains will be fully in the jurisdiction that oppresses you.

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• qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If this is something I can setup with no need of complex licenses, it would be interesting.

  I live in a small town and it could prove as a useful city project for cheap, reliant, local communications.

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  • paequ2@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    setup with no need of complex licenses, it would be interesting

    It doesn’t seem like you need any licensing, it’s like a walkie talkie.

    it could prove as a useful city project for cheap, reliant, local communications

    I’m not sure if that’s the right usecase. Meshtastic seems to be for short-range, line-of-sight-ish communication. Apparently, you can set up repeaters to expand the coverage area, but it seems like buildings, trees, etc will dramatically affect the signal strength.

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• eager_eagle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Other timezones

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve not been recycling my tin cans and I have a whole shitload of string. Happy to share.

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  • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll take 3 bags full. One for the master (coordinator) and one for the slave (endpoints), and one for the little girl who lives down the lane (Fitgirl Repacks)

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• ryan213@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Queue IT Crowd episode…

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• sefra1@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Meshtastic sounds great in concept but IMO it’s useless in most parts of the world due to it’s extreme low power.

  If all your neighbours have one or there aren’t many buidings around blocking line of sight then meshtastic has great potential. Otherwise I would stuck be sending messages to myself.

  Now, they made boards with more power that operated and crossed at several different frequency bands, specially shortwave, then meshtastic would be an incredibility powerful too. However illegal.

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  • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Antennas and location.

    I can see one node on top of the tallest building around here and it allows me to connect to nodes 20-30km away.

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  • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Even if this is a very specific setup, I still think Meshstatic could be used as an external internet pretty much anywhere if there are enough nodes scattered around. Could be like a LAN network. Also, probably would be used by bad actors too.

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Now, they made boards with more power that operated and crossed at several different frequency bands, specially shortwave, then meshtastic would be an incredibility powerful too. However illegal.

    Sounds like you should look into getting an amateur radio license!

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Now, they made boards with more power that operated and crossed at several different frequency bands,

    Some nodes have up to 5 watts, but you have to put them in ham mode with your license, it also disables encryption (ham requirement)

    You can stitch together several different cheap radios in different frequencies using MQTT.

    TBF, I’d be super happy just to move back to APRS, (i’m a ham) but the equipment is stupid expensive.

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• toiletobserver@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• Noodle07@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I should download classic wow servers game and addons for long term storage in case of WW3 🤔 and wikipedia too

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  • Zippythezigzag@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    wow before wiki… priorities.

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• Danitos@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What timezone, OP? Could you please also share the link in plaintext, please

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    CET

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• MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is there a map that shows where are using them? It looks like a fun idea, but I don’t want to get something and no one is using it in my region. (Outback Australia)

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• droning_in_my_ears@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Huh? Can anyone explain what all these words mean? Mesh? Ham radio? How does this work is it like toy walkie talkie?

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• mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Check out !meshtastic@mander.xyz

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• anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m really hoping this takes off.

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• foggenbooty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How resilient is something like Meshtastic? My understanding is that anyone can configure their device poorly so that it can become overly chatty, congesting the network. Even in ideal an ideal scenario with properly configured nodes, could this actually survive if it saw more than hobbiest adoption?

  I think it’s really cool and i like having this idea of a backup communication system, but if has serious range limitations and is likely to be overwhelmed in a no-cell scenario is it even worth it, or is it just fun to play around with?

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• IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I am literally building a network in my town. Love this project, so much fun and useful

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• utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Lot of complex discussions here about Ham radio operator, new hardware or protocol like Mestastic, SDR, etc so I’d start with “just” what people already have at home and only AFTER go there, if need be.

  If you have WiFi Mesh at home or IoT via ZigBee or Z-Wave you already are doing mesh networking. Sure you might not have Internet access this way but the principle is already there via your existing relative affordable infrastructure.

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• phar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The meshtastic website has a getting started guide that assumes you already have equipment first…which is odd. Is there a reason to go with Bluetooth only? Does it make more sense to get a Bluetooth and WiFi device?

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• frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What time zone?

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• Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  😭 Image

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• sol6_vi@lemmy.makearmy.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I got a visa gift card for Christmas I’m spending on LORA today. Western NY here. Probably gonna build some decent nodes at home and office. Will add to the map to help encourage others.

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• artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I just saw a node pop up from my local disaster relief network. I’m not sure if it’s legit…

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• hemmes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Answer: Build another Internet

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• psoul@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just installed two Bluetooth mesh messaging apps on my phone, just in case. Is there one y’all recommend? Are BIT and Berkanan ok?

  I already have too many hobbies, not going to get into amateur radio. I guess I’ll go buy a battery powered radio receiver when I get a chance, or one with a crank.

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