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Evidence That Humans Now Speak in a Chatbot-Influenced Dialect Is Getting Stronger

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨chobeat@lemmy.ml⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://gizmodo.com/chatbot-dialect-2000696509

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  • Auster@thebrainbin.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So... What about autistic people sounding like LLMs before LLMs were a thing?

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    • fl1p@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a very thoughtful thought! Here’s what I thought you could think about when these thoughtful thoughts come up:

      · Thoughts help thinking brain go poo poo every
      · Sometimes brain say “hmm” but actually “yikes”
      · When idea go bonk against skull wall, that’s innovation
      · Overthinking is just cardio for neurons
      · Deep philosophical questions like “Why am I?” and “How?” share 87% of the same ingredients
      · If you can’t stop thinking, try unplugging brain and plugging it back in (this is also called “a nap”)

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      • partofthevoice@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Is “a nap” related at all to “a napkin?”

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    • MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Using a larger vocabulary doesn’t make you sound like an llm, it’s more about the tone.

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  • Dirk@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well—that is certainly a meticulous observation! 🔍

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It bolsters my theory that LLMs are repacing brain usage by humans

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      • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The thing is, for most people that’s an improvement.

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  • 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I knew this was a clickbait when it’s gizmodo, but oof

    The mods in the Wired story explain how they detect AI content, and unfortunately their methods boil down to “It’s vibes.”

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    • Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hey man, if the vibes aren’t right, it’s probably AI. Uncanny Valley and shit, bruh.

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  • Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You are absolutely right!

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    • some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am horribly mistaken! :)

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  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a promotion.”

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So perversely chatbots are increasing people’s vocabulary because people read so few books anymore and most of their word usage comes from what they read online?

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    • TheMinister@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What’s more than that, chatbots use those words because writers use those words. That’s journalist vocab. And bots were trained on articles and written speech. I think you’re right, people just weren’t reading anything.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s kinda how I took it. Be funny if language evolved back into flowery Victorian speech.

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      • oppy1984@lemdro.id ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Indeed good sir, that would be quite comical.

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      • MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not flowery though, just bland.

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    • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Most likely, yeah.

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  • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have all these odd pauses in my speech and just realized they’re em dashes.

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    • vithigar@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m one of those deranged few who actually used em dashes in my normal typing habits. Not super often the way LLMs are prone to, maybe once a month tops. Alt+0151 or Compose, dash, dash, dash.

      Now a find myself reluctant to use what I felt was a useful bit of punctuation out of concern people might think what I’m typing was LLM generated. It sucks.

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    • pHr34kY@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I always liked the dramatic…

      …

      …

      …

      …

      …

      …pause.

      I’ve never used em-dashes to represent them. Am I doing it wrong?

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      People have been speaking with punctuation since language was invented. If you only now realize that pause is an em-dash, that’s on your schooling. :-p

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    • Krompus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pauses are much better than filler words.

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    • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Your brain runs on ChatGPT now. Better start eating a diet of NVidia GPUs.

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  • dukemirage@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If a development leads to the downfall of r/AmITheAsshole, I’m all for it.

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    • Saledovil@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What’s that, and why should it be destroyed?

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      • dukemirage@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s a subreddit mentioned in the article that is mostly used to claim moral superiority by constructing ridiculous fake stories. Its mods claim that they are starting to have trouble to distinguish genuine from generated responses, but this sub always sounded like one giant moralistic hivemind.

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No it isn’t, shut the fuck up

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    • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re absolutely right!

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      • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh—I’m sorry. Here’s the correct answer.

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Right, thats it. Switch it all off. Burn it down. Right now.

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  • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have found myself saying this phrase to people recently:

    “Summarize what you just said in a single sentence.”

    And so far, everybody has done it.

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    • GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Summarize that sentence into a thumbs up or thumbs down emoji.

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  • dontsayaword@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I bet this is true but also that a lot of the “human” sources they reviewed were actually written by LLMs anyway, not humans. This is reddit we’re taking about.

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  • hedge_lord@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What logically follows is that I need to be as weird and eccentric as possible in order to counteract the memetic contagion of a lovecraftian averaging machine.

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    • NedRyerson@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Summon the thorn character guy

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    • Robaque@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a catch-22 - try to be more unique, in an effort not to lose your humanity, but in doing so keep feeding the machine which subsists on creativity. A human-AI ouroboros.

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  • blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If AI is modeled after intellectuals, there will inevitably be a swath of non-intellectuals who conclude the post title… because the idea of intellectuals predating AI is unthinkable to them.

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    • ragepaw@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I used an AI to analyze a piece of writing I did years ago, long before AI was a thing. It determined that there was some huge margin of my work was likely written by AI, and when I asked why, it stated by use of sentence structure, words spelt using British spellings, oxford commas, and emdashes indicated I was AI — which I am not.

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  • Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hahaha, now even the source of new data is poisoned by LLMs…good luck trying to outproduce LLM slop to train LLMs…and ending up with goop real fast.

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    • rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Goop loop

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      • humorlessrepost@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ))<>((

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  • medem@lemmy.wtf ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Depressing, but not surprising. Even before the AS hype, I had long noticed that many people I regularly talk to (including a member of my immediate family who has been a teacher for decades) make horrendous spelling and grammar mistakes that they wouldn’t make if they picked up at least one book, at least once every few months. So: people were already forgetting how to write, spell, and even read coherently way before chatbots.

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “You know the saying, ‘Human see, human do.’” - Julius, Planet of the Apes

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The worst part - through human communication, texts on the internet, etc. - it seems to propagate towards people who don’t even use AI.

    I myself have strong aversion to it, but found myself using much more bullet points, cliché constructions, and yes - even em-dashes - when I don’t actively pay attention to how I write.

    I’ve always been sensitive to language around me, naturally adapting to the environment around - and now it backfires.

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    • Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As someone who has used dashes for decades, this recent trend bothers me.

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      • oh_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        My huge ADHD sentences love the dash action, but with AI using it now people think I use it to write.

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  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you read the actual article there’s barely any evidence that any of what they are claiming is even remotely true. They talk about vague connections through certain words being used on YouTube that are, in their own words, inconclusive. And a bunch of anecdotal instances on reddit in which mods use “vibes” to detect AI slop comments and posts. And then finish with more anecdotes about some real world encounters that they think are written by AI.

    I mean, no doubt that AI garbage is filtering into online discourse because let’s face it, people are lazy assholes who want easy karma and updoots. But this is hardly evidence that actual conversational language is being altered by AI.

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And I kid you not, AI likes to use “and I kid you not” a lot!

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  • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    AI is writing about itself.

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  • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What a bunch of trend chasers: many of us were doing that before AI. Posers.

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  • RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It won’t be long before the keyboard itself is minimized for online communication. Models will be personalized for you in the sense that your text messages, emails, etc can all be generated. Then you just have to select the one you want to use. Kind of like auto-completion now taken to the next level with “AI”.

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  • rook@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have never heard people say fluff this often before chatgpt came out. Now everyone uses “no fluff” 💀

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That may be regional. I’ve never heard those two words together in this area. Fluff used to mean padding or excess in 1970s ad-lingo, if I remember it correctly.

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  • etherphon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Doubtful since I’ve yet to use one, but whatever.

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    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You are not insulated from the effects just because you don’t use it. If you use the internet, chances are you’ve read bot output.

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      • etherphon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Undoubtedly, but cheery sycophant isn’t really my bag. I would suppose the people most affected would be the ones chatting with bots daily and not those reading articles. Regardless, I already behave like a bot because of my AuADHD I don’t think I need to start speaking like one lol.

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    • Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      ChatGPT alone has over 800 million weekly users yet you doubt this because you personally don’t use one?

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      • etherphon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It said humans as in everyone, just giving my anecdotal evidence. No I’m not speaking for everyone. What a sad statistic by the way.

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