Submitted 10 hours ago by King@blackneon.net to [deleted]
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Actually “fuck off” to the above statement as well in many cases. “I’m a gynecologist. My religion says I can’t do an abortion.” Fuck off. Where I live (Croatia) pharmacies can refuse to sell you contraceptive pills if the person on the counter says it disagrees with their religion. Fuck off.
People’s values are never a purely private matter.
I’m a gynecologist. My religion says I can’t do an abortion.
I would say that if “you” won’t perform an abortion, “you” are not actually a gynecologist. Go study and practice urology, or proctology, or gastroenterology, or oncology, or neurology, or cardiology, or dermatology, or any other field where “you” will not be called upon to perform a simple, routine procedure.
“My religion says I shouldn’t vaccinate my kids” Fuck off.
You provided a good counterpoint. These self-imposed restrictions can become obstructive or even weaponized. It’s like a variation of weaponized incompetence.
These restrictions can also lead to people making onerous demands of others to accommodate.
I want to learn to give abortions by hitting pressure points. Ahem, hey baby ready for a back massage? Great, let’s do it in the garage or shed.
More honest:
My religion says I can’t do that.
I don’t care.
My religion says you can’t do that.
I don’t care.
That’s unfortunately not how it works. The religious very often use their religion as an excuse to control other peoples’ lives.
Indeed, all fun and games until they kidnap you from the streets because their religious laws prohibit the way you dress.
That’s definitely how it works. Fuck their god and fuck them too. They can worship who or whatever the hell they want but the minute they try to shove it down everyone’s throat that’s when it’s a problem…
I’m going to vote for the guy who shares my religious values, and he’s going to make the thing you’re doing illegal
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love how the bible literally says public displays of faith and prayer is wrong yet people who’ve never read the bible will claim otherwise.
Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
For what it’s worth, that’s not an especially relevant passage here, as it’s less to do with being open about your faith and moreso about intent. For example, those who would go to the synagogue to pray but who wouldn’t in private or who would give alms to make themselves feel better and appear righteous. The Bible is crystal clear that you should be openly expressing your faith to others should the intent be to spread the religion. Mark 16:15–16, for example, reads (NIV):
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Probably more relevant for your case are the passages along the lines of: “Look, give it the old college try, but if they aren’t willing to listen, don’t be a bitch about it; just move on.” For example:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Etc.
My brother was studying to become a Jesuit and there was this running joke amongst the Jesuits about praying where they would go “Why? God doesn’t exist.” This may sound hypocritical and it kind of is, but they consider the religion more a moral framework rather than something to rigorously believe in. That’s also why Pope Francis resonated with many non-believers because, at least the modern Jesuits, apply the moral lessons of the New Testament with a healthy dose of rationality (they are considered the intellectual branch of the church for a reason).
Very few, if any, Jesuit these days believe in the existence of a god, but they find value in the moral framework and how they can apply that to make this world a better place. It’s the only religious order I can stomach to have conversations with.
Uhuh, more from your Bibble.
“Let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.” Matthew chapter five verse sixteen
“your good works”
Doesn’t say a thing about seeing you preach or pray.
It’s the intent that matters here, not all public displays of faith go against the teachings of Jesus. But yeah, someone doing it just to draw attention is wrong.
lol, jesus said “do as I mean, not as I say!” “What do you mean, Jesus?” “Listen closely:”
Whenever I tell people I don’t drink tea or coffee because of my religion the conversation goes like this
“Your Mormon?!”
“Not really, not so much anymore”
“So why don’t you drink it now?!”
“Because it’s gross. It’s an acquired taste I never acquired “
“How do you wake up then?”
“Cocaine”
I think the disconnect comes from the phrasing of the first sentence. Perhaps combine it with the third?
No can do. I’m from the south. Conversation isn’t supposed to be efficient. I could be held legally responsible if a conversation last shorter than ten minutes.
I was never a coffee drinker for unrelated reasons, and also never acquired the taste for it even though the smell is generally nice.
But now I’m in my 40s and have multiple medical conditions (i.e., more than just the AuDHD, lol) that are treated with stimulants, so I will usually supplement my adderall with a cup of coffee in the morning and one at lunch time.
The nice thing is that I don’t have decades of tolerance and habit around the stuff, so it is still nice and potent. Instead of adding a bunch of junk to it, I just let it cool off then drink it quickly or add a chocolate protein shake to it for a few breakfast calories if I didn’t eat.
Plus even though I don’t like the taste I think the coffee at work is decent because it’s a machine that grinds whole beans, and the operations manager for our location fills the hopper with the beans himself. Some Starbucks somebody gave me recently tasted rotten in comparison. And that’s not “mischievous child” rotten, that’s carcass rotten.
I have pretty severe adhd. Going thru treatment options now because cocaine isnt the standard treatment lol
I drink a lot of soda and before cocaine I was up to 4 amp energy drinks a day plus the sodas.
I was totally one of those “don’t talk to me until I’ve had coffee “ but with energy drinks
Even the top part is not innocuous when it’s vaccines they say they “can’t” do.
innocuous
I see what you did there.
tbf religion as a whole is such an insane concept that trying to imput any time of logic to it is also insane
“My religion prohibits it!”
THEN DON’T FUCKING DO IT.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
My religion says to love and have compassion unconditionally, full stop
You can have that worldview without religion.
I don’t care.
If you can be convinced to believe in a god/gods that can never be proven to be real, you can be convinced of anything. Religious=gullible
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Not everyone who believes in entities and deities (and you're assuming gendered pronouns and, by extension, unknowingly reinforcing the Abrahamic machismo whenever you use the masculine noun "god" to describe any deity/entity being worshipped by a worshipper, ignoring that there are Goddesses and feminine spirits as well, such as Pomba-giras, Lilith, Shakti, Kali, Morana, Morrigan, Santa Muerte, Ereshkigal, Hekate, Isis, Sekhmet, Bastet, Naunet, Babalon, among countless other feminine entities and Goddesses) does so out of being convinced by someone else.
To use my own experience as an example, I began worshipping an unified and syncretic Dark Mother Goddess without being convinced by anyone else. At that time, I used to be a member of a Luciferian sect, whose worshipping was centered around the male aspects of Lucifer, not the feminine aspects of Lilith, for example. Unexpectedly even to myself, I got this uncanny call of a powerful feminine spiritual energy who suddenly took me like a thousand hurricanes and became the epicenter of my entire existence, even though it happened to the disapproval of the Luciferian sect I was part of. I left the sect and, since then, I've been following a very personal (and quite lonely) syncretic belief system built of entities and concepts borrowed from and based upon several different systems, none of which I really belong to.
So, tl;dr: not everyone who believes in entities and deities does so out of being convinced by others, in fact, some (like me) even does so against any convincing from others, out of strange phenomena such as gnosis and synchronicity. Perhaps She is the one convincing me, thus validating your point about "one being convinced to believe"? Maybe... but humans aren't the ones convincing in this specific situation.
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Cringe
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Sometimes I wonder if all the people (six by now, and two on my other reply in this thread) who are downvoting my two fairly respectful (at least trying to be respectful to the OP) counter-arguments are, deep inside, machistas/misogynists, downvoting me because I dared to remind people that there are feminine Goddesses and I dared to mention some of Their names... Your people's current lack of counter-counter-arguments doesn't convince me otherwise.
Metal is my religion.
And Judas is my Priest.
And Dark my angel!
What in the name of Judas-Rockin-Priest is going on here!
Welcome to what it’s like being a practicing member of the LGBTQ+ community in the USA.
Although usually in my neck of the woods they phrase it as “I don’t believe in…” For example, I don’t believe in gay marriage, I don’t believe a man should lie with another man man, I don’t believe in Halloween.
I mean seriously, you don’t believe in Halloween or gay people? It does explain a lot, but I can’t even take people seriously when they say shit like that.
Yoo r reeding rong.
“She lusted after her lovers, whose flesh was like that of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.”
Ezekiel chapter twenty three verse twenty
My “religion” says you shouldn’t be religious. Oh, you’re suddenly offended? Too bad…
idk I think people shouldn't be able to sell their children into marriages at 14 years old just because they don't share my beliefs that that's horrible. Meanwhile they think that an abortion harms a child in a way that outweighs b the mother's right to decide whether or not her body gets used as life support and I don't. I think whether or not it's important to meddle in other's private and family lives is actually a fairly complicated question.
Nuance!? In my Lemmy!? XD
Jokes on you, my religion says you can’t do a triple backflip. I dare you to prove it wrong.
what if my religion says you can’t do that but so does the law because they share their core moral system?
A law isn’t necessarily bad just because religion might agree with it. Murder is wrong, and religion agrees with that. We can’t allow murder, simply because it violates a religious code. That’s taking a worthy concept - purging religious influence from government - and turning it into the same incoherent dogma which describes much of religion.
I’m confused, where did the murder implication come from??
I don’t need religion to tell me murder is wrong. And that’s a dangerous line of thinking there as I’ve heard so many fundamentalists say “well how do you know what’s wrong and right without religion?!”
Are you talking about murder? Because if anything legal morality is far better than most religious when it comes to killing people. And that's even with capital punishment still practiced.
They keyword when it comes to any religion is fundamentalism.
No, the key word is Religion. It’s all fundamentalism, just different intensities.
Not really. Secularism is fine in all regards.
Carriers matter too
So real.
The first panel should be “My religion says I can’t do that but I do it anyway”.
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My religion (or, to be more precise, one of the religions composing my syncretic belief system) says "Do what Thou Wilt, shalt be the whole of Law" (Liber AL Vel Legis, Aleister Crowley, Thelema).
I get a lot of heat whenever I say this, but I keep saying it nevertheless: the problem is that anti-religious people often mistaken "religion" for "Abrahamic", while there are literally tens of thousands of different religions, as well as countless different personalized syncretic belief systems, especially left-hand path beliefs, which are nothing remotely close to dogmatic religions out there. Pro-science people unknowingly attack those who could be their best allies in the pursuit of "forbidden" ("forbidden" in the eyes of Abrahamic and other paternalistic religions; for us, it's a must-pursue) knowledge of scientific and philosophical inquiry.
my religion’s “whole of law” is: “be excellent to each other” and “party on, dudes”
like, half of the cults i’ve started have had a foundation in billandtedology
Yeah people love policing what others do :3. I’d return the favour but I can’t think of any good rules in my religion to throw at them, when the situation comes up lol
Given they're all made up... at this point we're better off making up a religion that enforces actually good behaviour like taking vaccines and not bothering people with different sexualities/gender identities/etc.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf7Or7AYXxc
GOAT position.
Dilligas
Signtist@bookwyr.me 3 hours ago
The issue is that the vast majority of people don’t view religion as “what I should or shouldn’t do.” They view it as “what should and shouldn’t be done.” They can’t just follow the tenants themselves; in order to follow their religion - at least not the way they interpret it - they need to make sure the tenants are being universally followed. That’s why religion is always at odds with society as a whole unless that society is already overbearingly religious. It will never change unless there are no major groups within society with different beliefs than the norm.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
What about the landlords? Are they also universally followed?
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 hours ago
Be cool if we could convince them that there were a limited number of souls allowed in heaven (say, 144K) and it was to their benefit to steer other away from the righteous path to enhance their chances (of course that could be what they are doing now, for all I know).