Infosys co-founder once again calls for longer than 70-hour weeks - and no, he's not joking

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Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has once again called for longer working weeks has returned, this time with an emphasis on schedules like the 996-pattern used in parts of China.

Murthy’s comments revive a debate which began in 2024, when he argued that Indian employees should work 70 hours a week.

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echo@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Oh fuck off, asshole… you need to be thrown in prison.

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- lectricleopard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He needs to take a long walk, on a short pier.
  
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  - cv_octavio@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Into the warm embrace of a hungry octopus…
    
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- oxideseven@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Needs to be shot into the sun. Return his atoms to the foundry
  
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Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There is a large body of research out there regarding 12h shift work in healthcare. I’m only linking 1 article, a quick search will yield more, easily.

A TLDR on it: 12h shifts decrease performance. Stacking them decreases safety and performance, cumulatively. Car accidents pick up significantly on day 4.

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- CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s utter madness that healthcare professionals are allowed to work (in many countries) longer than truck drivers. It’s even more ridiculous that many countries have a medical doctor internship program that is designed by an absolute cocaine fiend assigning 30 hour days - and see nothing wrong with it.
  
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  - lectricleopard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Capitalism protects the capital (goods, and equipment, on a truck), and values human lives at approx $3 million (based on financial cost for the company when a life is lost).
    
    The value of the truck and the contents of the trailer are frequently greater than the value of the driver for a given trip, and therefore justify more caution and care than any given patient in a doctor’s office.
    
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  - frizzo@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s almost like the collective bargaining of a union works.
    
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  - Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    There’s less errors overall in having consistency in who healthcare reports off to between shifts. The 17% is balanced out by that (math wise). The errors in having 3 people reporting around an 8hr clock are significantly higher than with the 12hr clock.
    
    But a 4th shift? Staying over to 16hrs? The 36hr week, I feel, is the extent to which you can safely take the 12h shift.
    
    Additional madness is in that, in 26 states, the administrators of hospitals can hold shift workers over into double shifts. I don’t know about you, but I lose the capacity to read words around hour 18. Yet, this practice is engaged routinely in health care, without regard to sleep patterns. Maybe it is an 8h shift. Maybe that person spent day shift in school then went to work for an evening shift. Now is being held on their license to stay a night shift. And expected to drive home after more than 24hrs awake. Maybe their babysitter leaves at midnight. How good and safe is that patient care going to be?
    
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  - HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    US: Truck driver crashing causes property damage, patients dieing causes the bed to open up for another paying customer.
    
    Rest of the world: Shortages due to cost of education along with not enough spots available for said education.
    
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  - Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    probably the shortage problems, and unwillingness for the industry to alleviate the problem. and the pipeline from college to health professional is long and grueling. MD IS heavily gatekeeped by the license certification association.
    
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- Hylactor@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Am I missing the article link?
  
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  - confusedwiseman@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Let’s try this one
    
    pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7695681/
    
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  - Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s not showing on my client either, hopefully they edit their comment.
    
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  - Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yes, I failed to paste the copy. After a 12 hour shift.
    
    pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4629843/
    
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- Naich@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Apparently it’s about reducing shift changes, which is when most mistakes happen. You would have to hope that someone has done research into mistakes caused by fatigue vs. mistakes caused by shift changes.
  
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  - Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In the healthcare environment that is true. 12h shifts retain consistency between back and forth reporting, while with 8hr shifts things get lost or missed or misinterpreted in the handoff.
    
    My point is that 3 is the sweet spot, it’s the 4th and fifth shifts that become cumulatively bad and result in increased car accidents on the commute.
    
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- Naich@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Someone told me that the reason for 12 hour shifts is that most medical mistakes and accidents happen because of shift changes. Reducing the number of shift changes from 3 to 2 results in fewer mistakes, despite longer working hours.
  
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  - Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    This is true. It also results in less intershift rancor. But it doesn’t change the difficulties of 4th and 5th shifts in the same week.
    
    I’m all for turning a 40hr/5day work week into a 36hr/3day work week. It works well in 24hr professions.
    
    What I’m not for is this 996 nonsense.
    
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  - Azhad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Not really, a huge cocaine user came up with the system, and we use it since then because “it’s as we always have done it!!”
    
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kautau@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“You worked really hard this year. 60 hour weeks. Impressive but you can do more. See that rolls Royce in the parking lot? If you work 80 hour weeks next year and everything works out, I’ll be able to buy a second one.”

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Somecall_metim@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
He doesn’t work that hard, so why the fuck should we?

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- Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He probably thinks he works 80 hour weeks because he is including schmoozing with clients and company paid lunches and dinners as “work”
  
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- throws_lemy@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  “This is nothing. When I was young, I worked 80 hours a week”, Murthy probably
  
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  - count_dongulus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    These are the little fuckwits that pretend waiting on a phone call back from someone counts as working time. Their “work” would consist of the company paying for their meals and outings to go play golf woth potential clients.
    
    Oh, you want me to go play golf with this guy using the company card and then go for dinner and drinks? Do some soft sales, just having regular conversation? Sure, I’ll take that “work”. Man, it’s tough. Nobody works 80 hour weeks like me.
    
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- rozodru@pie.andmc.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He has his own private chef to make him food, he has maids to take care of his house(s), he has assistants to do all his errands, if he has kids he has nannies to take care of them. So in his backwards ass head he can easily “work” more than 70+ hours a week and doesn’t understand why us lowly peons can’t do the same.
  
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  We pretend to work
  
  They pretend to pay us
  
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uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Crunching does not work!

Instead, it reduces productivity to a fraction (often 10% of normal), countering any time added.

You want to improve your productivity, you make your workers happy. Make sure they can eat, have good healthcare, have adequate family life, etc.

We now have studies that counter the crunching myths and time theft myths.

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- Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  The cruelty is the point
  
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  - jali67@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    They’re not invincible. We’re not our ancestors. Look at this little dweeb. Is anyone really intimidated by him?
    
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- willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Is maxxing the productivity top priority?
  
  They might value control over their workforce above productivity.
  
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  - uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In actuality, yes, their job is to maximize productivity for the dollar spent, hence maximizing profits, and the best way to do that for most job pools is by improving the QoL of the workforce.
    
    They likely do value control over productivity, but that’s not the job of upper management. A lot of jobs (the bullshit jobs ) are to fulfill a personal need for an entourage, the illusion of business activity. That is a – human – trait.
    
    Our c-suite execs might believe it controlling the workforce is their job, though, if they’re inadequately educated about the current state of the art. Hopefully, their AI replacements will be more current and won’t be interfered with by the BoD or shareholders.
    
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  - JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    They actually think it’s more productive. They’re so good at gaslighting, they even do it to themselves.
    
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- theparadox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If the workforce makes a pittance and is too exhausted to rebel, the bosses win.
  
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  - uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The bosses win if winning is continuing to manage the company poorly.
    
    The shareholders lose since cruel treatment reduces productivity and weakens profit margins. It depends on how seriously the business controllers want to actually do a capitalism and create a product and turn a profit.
    
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NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Ok I’ll do 70 hour weeks as long as it promises I am also a billionaire by retirement. So that’ll be a salary of 21 million a year please.

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- Lon3star@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Exactly, I’ll work my ass off for a year or two, but them I’m out
  
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  - WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You won’t be out when your rent is a million per month and groceries are 100k.
    
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- adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  By retirement?
  
  I’d expect majority shares in any company I worked that much for, AND a 7-figure salary.
  
  And retirement would be in 5 years.
  
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WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Japan has a habit of doing this. The birth rate cratered, productivity is not that great and economic growth is famously low. Most workers do a form of performance theater, an actual “we pretend to work”.

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- filcuk@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So stupid. Wasting potential personal time for such theatrics.
  They should take inspiration from my coworkers, who don’t even bother to pretend.
  
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- AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  A form of wage theft that’s common in the US (and elsewhere) is that workers are expected to still do work when they have already clocked out (such as closing up the shop).
  
  I have a Japanese friend who told me that it’s not uncommon that if your work colleagues are going to the bar after work, you are expected to go along. If you don’t, it shows a lack of commitment to your job. As it’s not a formal requirement, of course you don’t get paid for this, despite it being functionally mandatory. What’s worse is that you can’t just stick around for one drink and then head home — you are expected to stick around at least as long as your boss, even if he (let’s face it, the boss is probably male) is still drinking long into the night. I consider this to be an especially egregious form of the wage theft I described above.
  
  It sounds so exhausting that I would likely be unable to do anything besides pretend to work, and even that would lead to inevitable burn out. I had heard that the work culture in Japan was bad, but I had no idea how bad until my friend shared some first hand experiences with me.
  
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veeesix@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So 6 days of 12-hour shifts? Sounds like a pretty novel way to tank your economy because no one’ll have the time to spend money or raise a family.

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- CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  “Why aren’t the proles making babies? I specifically requested it!”
  
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- showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Absolutely! The short sighted idiocy of this really points out the corporate thinking only about the next Q. This would get maybe a month before the economic crash
  
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- yeather@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Which they will then solve with mass immigration they can control easier.
  
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A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
can someone kidnap this motherfucker and make him work normal labor job for 80 hours a week, for a year, and see how much he likes this stupid fucking pants on head idea after that

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- RightEdofer@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The pampered idiots that suggest these things would literally not survive a year of actual work at 40 hours let alone what they propose
  
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  - A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    still solves the problem.
    
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- Knightfox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That’s the thing, looking at the company they don’t work “normal labor” jobs. Infosys is into info tech, consulting, and outsourcing services and looking at their acquisition history I get the impression they buy up smaller companies and consolidate their work into their product. Basically they make websites and tools that your company buys for $100k to analyze and optimize workflow, but the site doesn’t work well and they never fix it. After 2 years enough time has passed that the higher ups don’t feel embarrassed retiring the software and buying something else. Also, rather than just coding themselves they code with AI or buy other companies that already wrote the code and put it into their own product.
  
  At the end of the day they aren’t “working,” they are being available. They are the shitty guy who is answering a work call on a Saturday while they are supposed to be watching their kid’s ball game. They are the person who has to step out of the movie theater because they are getting an urgent work call at 10 pm on Friday. They are the person who flies back from their vacation two days early because the boss wants to ask about sales numbers. This is how Executive suite types say they work 16 hour days 7 days a week, they count every hour of the day as work because they are available, not because they were being productive that entire time.
  
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the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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- cecilkorik@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Looks very nicely built I would be pleased to have one of these in my home.
  
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  - voytrekk@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Far too nice. No need for the blade to be so sharp and free of rust.
    
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  - Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    or do it the old fasioned way in , like with scimitar.
    
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- MisterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Personally I’d make an exception to my moral stance that work as punishment is slavery, and would prefer to keep him around forcing him to work 70 hours a week, in addition to doing all the other chores required so that he can live - in prison - for the rest of his life.
  
  Maybe we’ll make it 84 hours a week just for good measure, can’t be giving him a day off.
  
  Seems more poetic
  
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oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Fuck that! We should be aiming for 21-28 hours being the normal length of the employed week for everyone everywhere, and it not being necessary to work any more than that unless you want to for yourself. We can’t accelerate forever, we need to do less work hours and have good quality of life, otherwise what’s even the point of technology?

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- sleen@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Technology is now used as a tool to perpetually force the working class to obey the ever increasing draconian rules. AI is one thing, highlighting that all it matters to them is a profit with no gratitude towards the workers.
  
  This is essentially legal slavery, fuelled by big corp and the governmental bootlickers.
  
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- Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Arguably we are already there. Depends how much you want to yourself. My house? No comrade, our house.
  
  Share a house and you can do very little work. You could take it pretty far too. Think of those capsule hotels, could fit loads of capsules in my current bedroom even if you want to have your own capsule - sharing can further increase population. Less than 20 hours of work a month for static fees (mortgage, tax) per person. Food is about 4 hours of work a month. Heating wont change, though you will use more hot water for washing, probably 2-5 hours of work for energy and water.
  
  All essentials covered, less than 30 hours of work a month required per person. Basing this on my expenses in the UK and minimum wage.
  
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gustofwind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
He should work himself to death alone and leave us with a better world

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Jyek@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If you follow the standard 5 day business week, that is 70 hours worked for every 50 hours not worked. Account for 8 hours of sleep a night and you have 2 hours a day to commute to your job. Literally zero time for any other needs. And that’s ONLY if you are generous enough to give everyone the weekend to recharge.

For a 7 day work week with no days off, allowing for 8 hours of sleep per day and 2 hours of commute time, that is 4 hours a day to do anything else. I also would assume that part of the day would still be considered off hours for lunch. As well. Call it 3 hours a day for anything not work related.

This man should be hanged for even suggesting this as a reasonable productivity schedule for any living being.

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- pseudonaut@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No joke, I really do think in a just society he would be hanged.
  
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- JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah - there is no way that you are able to raise children or even go to the dentist checkup with such a work schedule. And if such a schedule was implemented, that would be the collapse of everything else. Cinemas, theatres, bars, events, sport clubs and so on.
  
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Jaysyn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The sooner we start eating these motherfuckers the faster things will improve.

Billionaire is a mental illness that isn’t compatible with civil society,

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Avicenna@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“Infosys co-founder suggested slavery could be brought back with updated terms and conditions”

This is how this news should be titled

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Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I do not understand his logic.

Paying someone 70 hours has the same cost as paying two persons 35 hours, right? (In my country technically no, because higher base taxation)

Someone working 70 hours is a mindless drone. This is how you get 13" iPads accidentally sold for 15€ “because the computer said so” (happened in a big box retailer in my country, no human involved in the process objected the price until WEEKS after the sale, when accounting noticed it, and they had to beg customers “pwease return our €1000 iPads and we give you a €25 gift card as a token of gratitude” and everyone just laughed about that)

Especially for developers, for the same price is better to get two that can do tasks with full attention rather than a single one that after 12 hours of job is just mindlessly clicking on “accept” on whatever a LLM is spitting out or half assing solutions because don’t have the right state of mind to think for a proper one.

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- hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Paying someone 70 hours has the same cost as paying two persons 35 hours, right? (In my country technically no, because higher base taxation)
  
  What he wants is to pay one person for 70hrs, the same as he’d pay one person for 35 hrs.
  
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  - BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    AND he will massively underpay that worker for their 35 hours.
    
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  - Chulk@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    And he wants person 2 to be desperate for person 1’s job
    
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- kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Paying someone 70 hours has the same cost as paying two persons 35 hours, right? (In my country technically no, because higher base taxation)
  
  I mean it isn’t, but the difference is like marginal, but you get added costs like more hardware,more HR needed ( after a certain number of people) It support for those people etc.
  
  But really it’s penny pinching.
  
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  - themurphy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That’s the thing. They wont pay you more. Maybe some people would get the extra money, but all new employees would get the same salary for more hours.
    
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Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Shit like this should be shown to people who argue against unionization.

Remember, the parasites will take everything they can, even if it means their eventual demise.

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- BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The ultimate goal of capitalism is to have an infinite pool of workers, working infinite hours, for $0.
  
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  - CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Don’t forget each worker also has to simultaniously spend $∞ on goods and services.
    
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  - Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    And who will buy the results of their labour?
    
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palmtrees2309@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
MoFo wants 80 hour work week and pays 4,353 USD per year to Indian CS graduates.

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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
CEO: has lunch and answers a phone call. “I’m working!” Writes a proposal from a yacht “I’m working!” Goes golfing with industry buddies. “I’m working!” Paid tens of millions not including stock options. Spends time in the c-suite. Actually is working. Writes a letter about his cubicle slaves who are chained to their cubicle at work, their phone at home, unable to actually use PTO due to fear of negative performance reviews, working 50+ hours on the clock and uncounted hours off the clock “You need to work more!!” With their pay and benefits constantly under assault by managers.

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Stern@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

Overwork people until they die/kill themselves, great idea, what could go wrong. Really, I want to see homeboy do a month of whatever his lowest employee does with that schedule and THEN say he’s still for it. Bet he’ll be real fuckin’ quiet.

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Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Put his ass out there in the field for 70 hrs and see if he keeps preaching it

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krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I am not an advocate of slavery generally speaking but I do think that it is a just and righteous thing to enslave someone like this and to use them for backbreaking labour for 20 hours per day.

Like. Make it pointless too. Dig this hole. Fill that hole. Dig it again.

Feed them stuff you find in dumpsters. Beat them if their hole digging is going to slow. Test cosmetics on them. Sell them to be used for sex.

That seems right to me.

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CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I don’t understand why these assholes insist on people working more hours. What’s the difference to them between 1 person working 70 hours a week or 2 people working a combined total of 70 hours if they’re both paid the same hourly rate?

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jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Saint Luigi preserve us.

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Rhyfel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
We don’t eat enough billionaires

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flamiera@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
What a megalomaniac.

Yeah he's inspired by a system which country banned it and yet he still wants it?

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PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Good luck finding talent, dickhead

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abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
How long until a CEO openly argues for slavery?

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neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Some billionaires are saying shorter work weeks be used of AI, some are saying longer.

If this just a way for us to be “grateful” for things to remain the same?

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IzzyJ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Iceland made theor 4 day workweek experiment permanent…because it was actually more productive.

They don’t even want all the money, they just want us to suffer

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