You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?
That’s because they’d rather you starve, but the mafia has soup lines waiting for you.
Hrmmmmm
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JanMayen@quokk.au 10 hours ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?
I remember getting extremely screamed at on Reddit when I posted “Bread Lines” and a line around the block at a grocery store on the eve of a hurricane.
Apparently, that’s not a “real” bread line because idfk free markets or some shit.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?
You do, they’re called food pantry lines, and they tend to be run by churches in my experience
yeather@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
If the food pantries are run by churches, then they are not state run, meaning you do not see state run food pantries.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
23 downvotes
People in the West absolutely can’t stand when you point out all the same instructions of poverty exist on their home turf.
It’s a sin to acknowledge poverty exists. Nevermind to suggest that westerners might be worse at alleviating it than their foreign peers.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
As a note, communism involves some ideas that are impossible or nearly so.
Imagine a society in which every person has exactly the same sociopolitical power as every other person; representatives and officials do not have additional power; that’s a property of a truly communist society. We don’t believe that can be done IRL.
Imagine a society in which everyone’s needs are met for an extreme body of needs (say as defined by the UN Universal Declaration of Human RIghts). The only transients that exist either are in a short line to be issued a dwelling, or don’t want one. Everyone is fed. Everyone has their own stuff. This isn’t impossible, but is difficult as heck to reach.
Communism is a goal that a society tries to reach similar to a zero homicide rate We don’t expect to get there, but we do want our society to ever get closer, as we discover new means to approach that limit.
We reach for the ideal of a communist society. We never expect to actually get there.
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
At this point, this joke is basically like kicking a dead horse.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Keep going an let’s make MAGA glue
yeather@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Umazing
Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 9 hours ago
You know, some people get really worked up about how some sodas are really good and others are horrible. Healthwise they’re all really just sugar water with some flavor and color sprinkled on top.
The flavoring and coloring are the least nutritionally relevant parts of the beverages and yet are what everyone obsesses over when discussing which of them is best.
The flavor doesn’t change the nature of all the sugar, despite how different they feel to the palate.
A very costly lesson many maya people and other enemies of the aztec empire learnt after the spanish came to the americas was that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
A very costly lesson many maya people and other enemies of the aztec empire learnt after the spanish came to the americas was that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.
See, I thought the lesson was more for the Aztecs. You can only commit so much human sacrifice before even a handful of foreigners with some novel propaganda can topple your empire from within.
Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 5 hours ago
Lots of lessons to go around everywhere if you look with thw right eyes.
eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 4 hours ago
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kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Whoma is dat?
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
To be fair, a lot of communist revolution did result in mass starvation.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Which communist revolution? Russia was having famines before the soviet revolution. Its more reasonable to say communism solved the famines in russia and created them in china.
tempest@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Eh the Soviets had plenty of their own man made famine (Holodomor, among others)
leftist_lawyer@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
To be fair, fat cat capitalist hoarding wealth have caused exponentially more. Counted the homeless in your community lately. Year in, year out. They might be invisible to you … but they are there. Millions of them – year in, and year out. Starving. Homeless.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
As a precursor, sure. The OG 1918 October Revolution was fueled by a string of famines, exacerbated by the World War.
The American Bonus Marchers of 1932 were also propelled by food shortages of The Dust Bowl.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Also, in a famine, it is grossly unfair to put all blame on a single leader/government. In USSR’s case, during global famine, the US insisted debt be paid in food, and the government had to react to extortionist farmer class (Kulak) pricing. It is entirely political to create narrative of opponents fault for everything, when they are faced with hard decisions that your country imposed on them.
In this case, it is especially eggregious to not only force starvation by executive decision in times of relative abundance, but to further provide IRS directives that would collect less (minimum corporate tax rules) from oligarchs, so that budget/revenue is further reduced, and excuse to continue starving people becomes a manufactured crisis.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
USSR leadership absolutely used forced requisition (sometimes leaving nothing to the farmers) as a tool of power and control and to punish the farmers. The leadership in USSR was pretty vitriolic towards the agrarian population and treated them like shit at least until later in the Union’s life.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
AFAIU, there were 2 farmer classes in USSR at the time. Collectives getting fixed price for their crops, and Kulak private farmers getting market prices. Famine makes those prices extortionist, and USSR chose to fight extortion.
yeather@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
I cannot find a single source about US insisting debt payments be made in food. Most of the kulaks were also imprisoned or deported in the late 1920’s during collectivization. The USSR in the early years had targeted food shortages in Ukraine and the Caucuses to starve the population into submission. There was later a union wide food shortage because Stalin increased the export of wheat without adequately increasing production.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
The wikipedia article (holomodor), unless it’s been nazi washed recently, has/had all the points I made even if it’s balanced to “always hate Stalin”. I don’t know what caused Stalin to not repay US debt (explains food exports), but that too would have led to complaints about his handling of famine. Holomodor is a Ukrainian word, and its enthusiastic eastern cooperation with nazi Germany, including administrating extermination camps, colours its history/politics to this day. Still, they had fewer famine deaths than other parts of the USSR.
Recently, famine/drought in Syria was a great opportunity for the empire and its Al Quaeda and ISIS proxies to rise up and eventually overthrow the long time leader. It is not in demonic evil scum’s nature to assist people’s survival through cooperation with their government, if a narrative gives them more control over the world.
Eldritch@piefed.world 5 hours ago
Also Stalin's promotion of Trofim Lysenko and his crackpot ideas on agriculture that mirrored the crackpot ideas of Leninism. Exacerbating famines and helping to kill millions.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
In my country, one evil of communism I always heard was “not being able to buy Adidas shoes and Levis jeans”. But if capitalism makes it a de facto luxury product through devaluing your work, then it’s tough luck.
fakir@piefed.social 9 hours ago
A greedy sociopathic leader with lack of empathy will always cause starvation, be it capitalism or communism or any other system anywhere. Shitty kings, dictators, and colonialists have always caused this since the beginning of time. It ain’t about the system.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
The trick is to lock in a sustainable situation where power is spread out more than it is centralized. Democratic republics achieve this but, if your goal is simple “efficiency” (e.g. your personal political faction not restrained by rule of law) and you ignore the benefits of freedom of expression and movement that democracy gives you, then centralized autocratic control is tempting.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Defensive Democracy, but with added Socialism entrenched into the constitution.
fakir@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Yes, idea is to spread power and not allow greed to take over. A Democratic Republic, i.e. a representative democracy is a good start but not good enough - we already have that in America & most countries worldwide, but that didn’t do much. What we need is widespread democratic socialism, i.e. market socialism i.e. co-ops, credit unions, open source etc.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
But it’a their fault for being poor. - Republicans
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D_C@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
No no NO! It’s only starvation when the russians do it.
However when the orange kiddie fiddling reality TV ‘star’ failed businessman convicted criminal/rapist forces it on to his people then it is called sparkling mandatory dieting.moakley@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Two things can be true.
Cruel@programming.dev 6 hours ago
With a centrally controlled food supply, a misstep can lead to there literally not being enough food. You know this is different and this post is disingenuous.
More people die from obesity than starvation. There are tons of options for free food. Nobody is going to starve to death.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 hours ago
Because capitalist authoritarians never try to use starvation as weapon.
leftist_lawyer@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
Make it trend for a month.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
lmao please make this the new meme format
Etlaris@lemdro.id 4 hours ago
Hmm…
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
What game is this?
jalkasieni@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
Based on the ears I’m guessing Umamusume
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
Oh, horse girls. Still better than ship girls i guess.
TommyJohnsFishSpot@lemy.lol 8 hours ago
I know this is a shitpost, but anime is a disease.
Etlaris@lemdro.id 4 hours ago
Anime is not a disease. It is a part of culture no matter the fact if you like it not. Smoking cigarettes is a disease, drinking is a disease, etc. This is not. I agree that 18+ anime can be considered dangerous in some cases, but other than that anime itself is harmless. Harmless can be plot or ideas of a certain project, but not all in general.
rarsamx@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
The reason of the confusion is clear.
The US propaganda has always equated Communism and totalitarianism.
It is bonkers that people in the USA cannot distinguish between an economic system and a political system.
Those two are distinct things. True communism is very democratic. But reading the Communist manifesto is heretic in the US and you are left with what your leaders tell you.
The Russian Revolution was communist but the USSR was never communist.
Right wing totalitarian dictators also use starvation of their own people as means of control.
What you are experiencing in the US is totalitarianism and while it hasn’t gotten to USSR levels, it is going on that direction.
Food for thought: study the political system in China, you’d be surprised how it’s actually more democratic than the current USA. Yes, the CCP controls the nominations. Now, tell me if there is true plurality in the US, two right wing parties selecting their candidates without any real popular input.
Really you’ve been bamboozled to think there is real democracy in the US.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 minutes ago
At some point, you have to get passed “true whatever” and accept certain institutions already exist.
Also helps to recognize that communism as a movement has been anti-colonialist first and democratic only as it serves the former cause. Communists aren’t receptive to a liberal democracy that allows half the people to sell out the other half.
Folks love to get lost in the sauce talking about what Marxism really truly means, as an ideology, without asking why people adopt it or how they apply it in practice.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
You are missing an important point.
Yes. But what does that mean? If I have a recipe for potion of immortality, but anyone that drinks the resulting potion dies instead, it’s a bad recipe even if the promise of immortality sounds good.
If every time you have a communist revolution, it ends up being authoritarian, what does that say about the communist political system?
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Ill be the patsy: You can’t make rules to eliminate human greed / lust for power?
I’m very simplistic with this stuff and haven’t studied it, but that seems to be the fundamental limitation with communism. Would work great with robots but we’re more ‘complex’ with our subconscious bias, unexamined motives and insecurities driving our actions.
BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Every time a capitalist system is implemented the oligarchy grows and seizes power and some corrupt oligarchs usurp the power of the people. What does that say about capitalism? I think your generalized question is terribly bad faithed when every can point out the US system and straight capitalism is a failure also. Rather then generalized ideas and theory we look at all the systems and see what does work and how we can keep the power in the hands of people
I think the issue is corruption, power, and control. To have a capitalist society you must allow businesses do what they want or they will seize power. In a communist society power is centralized when it is focused on the state as a communistic in which power and control when questioned or control loosened gets cracked down.
Democratic Republicans are great but there is a few problems when they move so slow. One, what if the charter is never fixed when we add more rights. We just tack it on as precedent and never amend the charter.
Second,if the population is growing is it still representing people properly. I think having a representative for every 1 million people is to huge. And the fact we have disparities as large as 1 to million but then some have as low as 1 in 250k. Is unequal.
Third. I don’t think as long as businesses hold power over an individuals life businesses should have political power. They hold to much currently. Also the fact through a business they can unlimitedly donate money but i as an individual can only spend $2,500(somewhere around there is the campaign cap)on a candidate is insane power wise.
Fourth a mixed economic/ business system would be wonderful a more planned economy by what citizens need would be nice. Also economy and business shouldn’t be running the country. The individual people should.
Fifth States are stupid unless they can leave. The lines/borders are arbitrarily stupid and the fact the power federal is based on the lines fucks us up. If so chooses states should be able to break apart and make local states of the people so it is easier to have democratic control over your local area. Yes this means almost every state would become major cities and then the rural areas. Unless they want to partner with a city.
save_the_humans@leminal.space 2 hours ago
More like every time there’s been democratically elected socialists or communists, western powers intervene with staged coups, assisinations, or embargos.
untorquer@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
More like you have a simple and easy to follow recipe for cake. You and a friend are following it dutifully. Just before the last step of the recipe your friend gets a call from their partner. Your friend then pushes you out of the kitchen and locks you out. The cake is served frosted in your friends freshly cut hair clippings.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 1 hour ago
The USA is a massive country of 330m+. Literally tens of millions of us have no delusions about this.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
Call me naive if you want but I think we might want to aim for slightly more than another flavor of illusory democracy.