Submitted 3 weeks ago by mereo@piefed.ca to technology@lemmy.world
There is a vital question coming up. When the machines do all the work, does that mean everyone eats? Or no one?
Right now it is “no one” roughly speaking. That must change. There is no future for anyone there, just nightmares unfolding and unfolding.
It‘s phrased „warns“ because it is just assumed that no one will eat. Because apparently that‘s a normal thing to assume in our society. That we‘ll all just starve to death soon.
I don‘t think we will but it‘s telling that a lot of rich and influential people do and are not only letting it happen but actively supporting it.
Because apparently that‘s a normal thing to assume in our society.
It’s just very difficult to think outside of society , to think of a working society without the organizing power of money and labor. And even more difficult to think about the path to get there.
The good news is that the guiding document for the AI robots will be called “How to Serve Man”. The bad news is it’s a cookbook. :)
Touche good sir! ))
Sounds good to me.
I get to keep the same salary and just use AI to make my work easier, right?
Right?
That’s what I do. Used it to replace a shitty boss and then use it to make my work easier. My new boss is so high up in the clouds he has no idea how much work I actually do and how long it takes, as long as whatever they want eventually gets done.
Microsoft can’t even make a good operating system anymore. I don’t trust their ability to make an operating system work on a weekly basis.
What’s that got to do with bill gates?
He used to be the CEO and M$ is pushing AI every way they can, regardless
He’s still a huge influence on the company.
1000000% correct
So it sounds like he’s saying no one will work enough to qualify for employer sponsored healthcare… Or at least be able to afford it.
So congrats, don’t ever get sick or lose a job! Plus your taxes are going up. Fuck you, you should have been a rich pedophile of your wanted differently!
Don’t forget HIV, which the US is no longer supplying aid for
Earlier this year, Geoffrey Hinton, dubbed the “Godfather of AI,” highlighted the severe wealth disparity that AI developments could generate.
“We’re talking about having a huge increase in productivity. So there’s going to be more goods and services for everybody. So everybody ought to be better off, but actually it’s going to be the other way around,” Hinton stated during a panel discussion. “And it’s because we live in a capitalist society.”
“And so what’s going to happen is: this huge increase in productivity is going to make much more money for the big companies and the rich, and it’s going to increase the gap between the rich and the people who lose their jobs. And as soon as you increase that gap, you get fertile ground for fascism,” he continued. “And so it’s very scary that we may be at a point where we’re just making things worse and worse.”
This seems spot-on to me. All you downvoters obviously didn’t read the article.
Far be it for me to point out that the “godfather of AI” has a vested interest in AI being seen as more capable than maybe it actually is. But more to the point we know that AI systems like loose on an environment cause absolute chaos and fail disastrously.
There was an experiment a couple of months ago where they tried to get an AI to run a small business and I think at one point it ended up sending emails to the FBI claiming it had been defrauded because a product it ordered didn’t instantly materialise.
Always feels like it’s less that ai can’t do the things we keep trying to make it do. But that we are acting like we have had another 20 years of development in the tech.
So everyone’s just playing make believe and pretending it’s 2045 in 2025.
Unfortunately, this place became just like reddit.
Problem - They’ll want to pay you for 0 days a week.
A true man of the people… looking out for average man, absolutely no vested interest in hyping ai to the moon.
No clue why this article is being downvoted to hell. Is this not relevant to c/technology? 🤷🏻
Worked at Lowe’s last year. No AI is going to replace what any of us were doing except maybe making the scheduling lady’s life easier, but we would still need her.
Until we have relatively inexpensive, multipurpose robots, much of this talk is moot. Humans are the AR-15s of the animal kingdom. Not the best at anything, weak in many ways, but we’re reliable, tough and suited for many roles. I cannot imagine an AI powered robot that could work all the tasks I was faced with.
No clue why this article is being downvoted to hell.
The title has the word “AI” in it - the hivemind is practically trained to reflexively downvote and leave a mean comment anytime those two letters show up.
Fucking ridiculous around here. Seen 20-yo images, “Is this AI slop?!” It’s the cool kid thing to do now I guess.
“I’m so smart! I hate AI and can spot it anywhere!”
The Express is not a reliable source for information. It’s a shitty right-wing rag that just makes shit up.
Most anti AI posts/comments get downvoted.
Probably because the bulk of people on here work in some shitty IT job that can easily be replaced by AI?
Or they think people who are anti AI are Luddites?
Who knows
Are we on the same website? Lemmy as a rule hates AI with a blind passion and will downvote anything that isnt frothing at the mouth hatred of it. Hence the downvotes on this post, people see it has AI in the title and isnt calling it slop or saying its cooking the planet and so it gets downvoted.
The article presents a couple of different perspectives: Gates’ comments and Hinton’s counterpoints at the end. Maybe the downvotes are assuming it’s only promoting Gates’ perspective because they didn’t read it?
“Warns”
Why is it that every time they say stuff like this it always sounds like an advertisement.
“Our product is going to bring about the end of days, buy it now!!!”
Good observation. I think part of it is, that’s just how these business douchebags talk about everything.
Sure, pal
Don’t worry, he will be saying the opposite after he dumps whatever stock he’s trying to pump.
So now it’s AI that should allow us to profit from the efficiency increases you assholes actively siphon off for youraelf??
That’s possible.
That being said, Maynard Keynes also made a similar prediction:
The economist John Maynard Keynes once wrote an essay titled “Economic Possibilities For Our Grandchildren.” It was 1930. And in the essay, he made a startling prediction. Keynes figured that by the time his children had grown up, basically now, people might be working just 15 hours a week.
The specific quote:
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes
For many ages to come the old Adam will be so strong in us that everybody will need to do some work if he is to be contented. We shall do more things for ourselves than is usual with the rich to-day, only too glad to have small duties and tasks and routines. But beyond this, we shall endeavour to spread the bread thin on the butter-to make what work there is still to be done to be as widely shared as possible. Three-hour shifts or a fifteen-hour week may put off the problem for a great while. For three hours a day is quite enough to satisfy the old Adam in most of us!
“Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren” (1930); appeared in the Nation and Athenaeum (1930)
Basically, had we decided to leave our standard of living where it was in 1930, we could have worked two days a week. But…that’s not generally what people wanted to do. We wanted to take advantage of new stuff that people produced to appeal to us, jack up our standard of living.
In the past, we’ve always managed to come up with new, appealing things that wind up making use of that new productive capacity. Climate control or anime video games or more space per person in housing.
Is it possible that in the future, we will be unable to make use of scarce human labor to provide something that humans want? Maybe! And that’s something to think about. But simply the fact that human labor is finite, that things that involve human labor can be used like a status symbol, might itself fill the problem. We shall see.
One thing that I do agree with is that transition from the world of to day to a world with AGI is going to be a very disruptive transition.
The one thing that this whole analysis is missing is this: There is a ton of work to do. The oceans are dying. The planet is boiling. The garbage is stacking up, endless and endless. There are crimes big and small going undiscovered, or un-processed and dealt with in a trustworthy fashion if they are discovered. There are wars, there are dangerous materials that need to be removed from the soil and the rivers, and the policies need to be set up and enforced to stop their cousins from replacing them within the year. WE’RE NOT FUCKING DONE. This illusion is wholly wrong, that capitalism has created that it is fine to drive the car off the cliff, as long as we keep paying salaries and dividends up until the moment of impact comes
Yes, we’ve gotten more effecient and powerful in our ability to translate a human into an effective change in conditions at the earth’s surface. But the problems have gotten bigger, too, and more urgent to the point that they threaten our entire species. Just because we can now keep growing the food and doing layout for the advertisements with only 15 hours a week, doesn’t mean that’s all we need to fucking do.
OK but Maynard James Keenan said that some say we’ll see Armageddon soon; certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bullshit three ring circus sideshow.
If this post has a score of -23, why is it in the top ten items I’m seeing on Lemmy?
Don’t fret peons!
The billionaires will become trillionaires and you will become poorer.
Win / win.
“640k parameters should be enough for anyone.”
^ PERFECT
so he’s gonna give us money for free?
So like 10 guys will have jobs. Each with a $1,000,000.00 salary to incrementally continue feeding the rich. Below them everyone will be totally jobless so robots will be made to scrape them off the streets. The “garbage” (us) will be then tricked out to the generator “rooms” powering the AI turbines.
Warns?
This is great!
Not if you only receive 40% of the wages too because the gains go to the capitalists.
No it won’t.
Race to retire in 5 years. Got it.
Where were you when the bubble burst, Bill?
reduced two-day work week
Lol, it will be more like “Soylent Green is people”.
Well, he too needs to stay relevant somehow. Making ragebait statements is one way.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Bill Gates is full of shit
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Always has been *astronaut meme *
Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
He also partied with Epstein.
DrFistington@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Bill Gates a lucky autismo with a privileged upbringing that never gets mentioned. If he knew what he was doing, be would have nuked davos and the G7 decades ago
shalafi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s common knowledge that his parent’s wealth opened doors for him.
I think you’re 20 or 25 years out of date on that one.