cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37265606
Worse drivers, more boat, more “telemetry” (spyware and adware), and it breaks everything.
Why the FUCK would I do that? Just to give microsoft more money? Go and FUCK yourself.
Microsoft still can't convince folks to upgrade to Windows 11
Submitted 1 day ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://htxt.co.za/2025/09/microsoft-still-cant-convince-folks-to-upgrade-to-windows-11/
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SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Don’t forget AI shoved down your throat that takes goddamn screen captures without any care of what sensitive infor,ation may be displayed and processes it to reme,bet everything your do. It’s goddamn 1984.
TimeNaan@lemmy.world 38 minutes ago
Time to upgrade to Linux.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 27 minutes ago
they will try to force it for people that isnt saavy enough to use another OS,.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Mandatory secure boot is the thing. Before I get a new motherboard and CPU I’ll just get Linux. Gaming works great there, and those 3 things I actually need Microsoft for can be used in a VM
julysfire@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It was so unconvincing I switched to Linux
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
I’m talking out of my ass, but I believe they couldn’t really convince the non-techies to upgrade from 7 & 8 to 10 either.
The average Joe doesn’t give a shit. They simply booted their computer one day and oops, it had upgraded itself to 10.
Microsoft could have almost this entire userbase on 11 by now without them even knowing, thanks to 10’s automatic updating, but nooooooo they just had to push TPM and whatever.Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
That happened to my mother. Now she wants me to fix that shit and I just tell her I don’t know how to.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’m a little out of date in my tech knowledge, but I built my current PC, built them all, always had enough knowledge to just get my shit going. It’s a 9900k so I got a do the bios thingy to make it work with 11, but I just haven’t gotten around to doing it. I know it’s not a big deal, but here I am. I even did something in the bios not too long ago trying to use Docker to host a Minecraft server for my kids.
And so yeah, if I didn’t have to TPM, it’d be over and done, but I’m just dragging my feet, and will presumably continue to do so. Hey, maybe they announce a moving of the deadline, I feel like that’s been a thing in the past.
And let me just get out ahead of this: I have a proprietary software that only works with Windows. I’m in a niche field. I’m also not so aggressive about the whole OS thing, it works fine for me. I turn on computer (who am I kidding, it’s on 24/7 for literally every) and it starts up quickly, does what I need it to do, etc. I have laptops with 11 and they do the same. I turn off the stupid copilot features, do some light tweaking here and there, as I’ve been doing since XP, and it works.
I am admittedly interested in the Linux, but my interest in using my computer is not what it was back in my teens and early 20s, and so I just don’t care.
T156@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Even if I had wanted to upgrade, I wouldn’t be able to, since Microsoft needs hardware mg computer doesn’t have. I can’t imagine most people would care enough to even think about that. They’d just keep using the computer until it no longer worked, and in the modern day, that will take a lot longer than it would have a decade or two ago.
zerofk@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
The risk for both general and corporate business users far outweighs any minor inconveniences of moving to a new OS version.
Minor inconveniences like HAVING TO BUY A WHOLE NEW FUCKING COMPUTER.
These people live in a fantasy world.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 13 hours ago
Other minor inconveniences may include:
- AI spyware on systems (a very real issue with corporate and government machines)
- Legacy software not working in the new OS
- A drastic decrease in OS productivity
- Damage to hardware (potential as reported)
jj4211@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Left out being nagged to death about other products and services microsoft thinks you should buy.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
What? Don’t you guys have money?
Tja@programming.dev 2 hours ago
Just stop being poor, duh!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
The official support for Windows 10 ends on Oct 14, 2025. Switch now: endof10.org
BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
You can get extended security updates until October 2026
CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
You can buy extended security updates, if you are using a Microsoft cloud account to sign in.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
why should I pay for something that Linux gives for free?
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I sidestepped to Mint. Sorry, Microsoft, your shit’s untenable and disappointing.
Rothe@piefed.social 23 hours ago
That is what I am planning on doing as well. I am not going to install their ad-, bloat- and surveillance-ware.
biofaust@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I did the same and using Windows at work is slowly becoming unbearable.
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
Same! Even converted a couple of Surface tablets over as well. Id like to try Pop Linux on one of them just to see, but can’t get em to boot from USB.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 23 hours ago
I did too on my laptop but on pc I’ll probably just stick with windows 10, I’d rather deal with security vulnerabilities then ai in my OS
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Proton’s good, by the way. If gaming is holding you back, at least.
bobslaede@feddit.dk 23 hours ago
If you must use windows, and might want to upgrade to 11, lets say, for certain games, this project Flyoobe will help create a windows 11 install without all that bloat and ai
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Look into 0patch.com
Keeps you secure without having to pay Microsoft another red cent
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 21 hours ago
Take their ESU extension to get one last year of W10 update. At least it gets you time to see if you can migrate on linux maybe.
massacre@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Have they tried not being spyware?
Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Imo, even taking away the spying thing, windows design is just awful and they somehow manage to pile up fuckups and poor choices as they release new OSs.
Alatain@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
It pretty much comes down to wanting to monetize the user experience instead of simply wanting to charge for the OS in the traditional way. The user becomes the commodity instead of the software.
troed@fedia.io 23 hours ago
My elderly parents got the "your computer cannot be upgraded" and my somewhat tech-litterate mom asked me to move them to Linux.
Microsoft should've realised at some point that the only thing most people need today is a computer that can run a web browser and connect to a printer.
MudMan@fedia.io 20 hours ago
I swear to Torvalds, if the amount of old ladies using Linux because their Fedi relatives installed it on their laptops is accurate we are in the middle of an major demographic crisis.
fading_person@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
For every one, there’s the younger relatively who installed it for them, so things are in perfect balance in the end.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
the only thing most people need today is a computer that can run a web browser and connect to a printer.
I cannot the life of me get my Linux laptop to use my fucking Canon WiFi printer. It detects the printer, says it’s connected, but it simply will not send a print job to it. Windows, iOS and android all use it just fine…but this fucking Linux machine just won’t, I’ve spent hours fiddling with drivers and nothing works, it’s infuriating!
troed@fedia.io 23 hours ago
Yeah that sounds bad :/ All Brother here with no issues. Esp. Linux Mint just autodetects and sets everything up directly.
Damage@feddit.it 21 hours ago
Eh, my in-laws have the same problem… but on windows
anon5621@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
Can u tell ur model of printer maybe I can help I had fight a bit with canon printer too a bit but in the end it started working
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
We use a Canon at work, behind a print server called UniPrint, or some shit. I figured out how to use it to print from a USB drive long before I finally caved and mailed the guy who maintains it to ask how to get my KDE Neom machine to successfully send a print job. I figured out how to see it, I could check the toner levels, but I could not send a print.
Works now, because he changed a setting.
Bastard printers.
somenonewho@feddit.org 8 hours ago
Let me tell you:
I’ve been using Linux exclusively since ~2010 and moved my mum over back when XP got canned. Printers always have been and still are the bane of my existence. From what I know from other people working in IT printers are always bad, however of course the driver support situation in Linux is so much worse. My mum used to have a Samsung mfp that would print in Linux (most of the time) but I could not for the life of me figure out how to get it to scan reliably. In the end I’ve set her up with a dual boot with a simple “click here to switch to Windows” button so she could scan in there (saving the scans to a NAS)
From my experience printers mostly either work or don’t work in Linux. If you are looking for a new printer I’ve only had food experiences with Brother. If you already have a printer and it’s not working right I can recommend sxouring through forums for that one wisdom of the ancients that can help (and possibly sacrificing a goat)
I bow also have a Canon printer (it was a gift) and with the official Linux drivers it worked for years. Recently it just wouldn’t print from Linux anymore till I switched the drivers to the generic “Guteprint” now it’s printing fine again …
Tl;dr: printers are evil and Linux drivers are sometimes making them worse
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
Ironically my fedora computer connected out of the box, but my wife’s windows laptop breaks the printer each time it tries to connect.
If there’s a firmware update available I have to manually update the printer firmware after her computer tries to print.
Mac and Linux work fine 100% of the time.
hansolo@lemmy.today 22 hours ago
I can get mine to speak to my shitberg printer, but I went and bought bootleg ink cartridges and I have a half-day printer battle on my to do list to reset the ink levels and force the printer to accept non-HP ink into its heart.
figjam@midwest.social 22 hours ago
I’ve been trying to get my MIL’s printer working forever.
CommanderShepard@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Check if you selected the correct driver
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 18 hours ago
My old printer got better support on linux than modern windows. HP has long since took the driver off their website.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
I moved my MIL to Mint. It runs faster and she hasn’t had any issues accessing Internet and email.
selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Stop forcing shit no one wants on your users then!
Every fucking update… Hey let’s backup your stuff. Hey wanna backup your stuff? Let’s backup your stuff! We totally won’t hold it hostage if you stop paying us lol!
🤬
Mvlad88@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I successfully upgraded from Windows 10 to Linux Mint.
ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
I’m upgrading to Debian 13 instead, since 13 is bigger number than 11 so obviously it’s better
Matriks404@lemmy.world 49 minutes ago
Jokin’ aside, I am thinking to upgrading to forky (14), if it gets newer Nvidia drivers, because of a single issue I have with Wayland on Plasma (that is X applications flickering like crazy).
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
My first pc had windows 95 and it was indeed vastly better then todays corporate shite
MNByChoice@midwest.social 19 hours ago
Remember how much people HATED Win95? They still moved to it to escape DOS, but still. Loads of hate.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Way ahead of you on Mint 22 or something like that
TechnoCat@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
Fedora 41 is like being decades in the future.
dublet@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
This is why I upgraded my Windows 10 laptop to a Fedora 42 one. 42 is obviously the biggest. And thusly better than Debian.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Just wait until you learn about Windows 2000
wordmark@mas.to 21 hours ago
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
You’ll likely need to purge your Nvidia drivers after upgrading to 13, I had two machines fail to start NvidiaPersistence.d.service (or something like that) which caused the machines to fail on boot-up.
Reinstalled the drivers with
sudo apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-cuda-dev nvidia-cuda-toolkitif you’re looking for raytracing don’t forget to installlibnvoptix1.
FarrellPerks@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
Microsoft ‘Convinced’ me to move to Linux, best move I’ve ever done.
Gamoc@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
They’re not trying to get me to upgrade my OS, they’re trying to get me to buy a whole new fucking system for no good reason. Every last one of them can die in a fire.
And that’s before we consider that Windows 11 is actually a downgrade.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Microsoft was successful in convincing me to upgrade to Mint however.
daddycool@lemmy.world 50 minutes ago
Me too. Had been wanting to switch to linux for some time and Windows 11 gave me the final push and it went a lot smoother than expected.
Chivera@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
They allow you to enroll in extended updates so you can get more time to upgrade 🤣
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
Looking at it from a perspective other than “Windows shit, use Linux”, MS’ biggest issue here is that the vast majority have no compelling reason to upgrade. Currently.
To the average punter, W11 offers nothing that W10 doesn’t already have. There’s no new technologies that they care about, no new tentpole software that they’re dying to try. Nothing. It has copilot running rampant through it, but most people don’t know what that is or don’t give a shit.
Give Apple their due, when they announce an OS update, they focus hard on the ways it improves over the current offering. Ways it can interact with your other devices, for example. Or even just a whole new design.
But MS advertise nothing beyond “This is new, come get it!”, then wonder why no one cares.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
The biggest problem Microsoft has is that the biggest selling feature of Windows is its ability to be backwards compatible and run on older hardware. The fact that a good number of PCs that aren’t even 10 years old yet can’t even run it is the issue.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 18 hours ago
Maybe it is worth saying that it isn’t that it can’t run on it, it is that Microsoft is trying to stop it from running on it. Two registry keys and 11 replaces 10 on anything 10 works on. But they don’t want to tell anyone that.
But the premise is sound: to the end consumer they hear “buy a new computer” while the old one works fine, and the new ones price is starting to climb…
Cricket@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
The biggest problem Microsoft has is that the biggest selling feature of Windows is its ability to be backwards compatible and run on older hardware.
Absolutely, a gazillion percent this. My main desktop doesn’t have TPM. I bought a cheap micro form factor Lenovo that I thought would run Win 11, but it didn’t. It had a 6-year old CPU and that wasn’t supported by Windows 11. 6 years old. I realized then that this eliminated one major reason to get a Windows PC over a Mac. I think that both Mac and Linux are going to make huge gains in market-share in the next months and years.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
I genuinely couldn’t tell you what the current gen Xbox is named, though to be fair I don’t really pay that much attention these days.
But yeah, Windows can’t really have much of a default theme update when there are a good four different window styles throughout the various settings panels.
thetrekkersparky@startrek.website 17 hours ago
A lot of people are also questioning why they even have a home PC now. Their Win 10 machine is “out of date” and they need to replace it or else, but their cell phone now does much of what their PC did. Instead of installing Linux and learning a whole new OS, they just cut out their PC and just use their phone.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
the biggest selling feature of Windows is its ability to be backwards compatible and run on older hardware
Really? I thought it was supposed to run older software, I don’t think hardware comes into it.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
And also, please correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I know whenever Apple releases a new MacOS version they don’t put fullscreen nag messages on your machine…
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 42 minutes ago
They do not. Yet.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Great point. Their strategy at this point is holding a gun up to your hard drive and saying “upgrade now or your data gets it.”
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
I thought it was “we are upgrading now and your data gets it”
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
As a non windows user, I don’t get to interact with Microsoft systems an awful lot, but to me windows 10 felt like a complete system while windows 11 always feels like an early beta for some reason. It has some kind of unfinished, wet paint quality to it.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
Ironically, Windows users have generally felt that way with every new Windows version after 7. Vista was painful for a lot of people and 7 was basically Vista but with the problems finally fixed, and every version since then people have complained that the newest version feels unfinished.
And in a lot of ways they have been. In 10, there are at least 2 different UIs for navigating the system and settings. Some options have been migrated over to the newer one, some only exist there, and some still only exist in the old version of the settings. And then 11 made it even worse by moving a number of frequently used options in the right-click menu into a second menu that you have to open after you right click.
People hated 10 at first, too, but by now they’ve gotten used to it and Microsoft has ironed off most of the rough edges people hated. But it’s been building for years and this pattern has seemingly hit some kind of breaking point with the present-day circumstances.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Help! Our unsustainable behavior of screwing over customers in the name of quarterly profits has finally caught up to us! Turns out there are long term consequences of our behavior, and now Linux can truly go toe-to-toe with Windows on a home desktop!
solrize@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Makes me miss windows 7.
TheBat@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Windows 7 was peak. I still miss it.
witty_username@feddit.nl 18 hours ago
I ran vista from release, never had any probmems with it. Admittedly it did help that I ran it on a brand new pc. Does show that the problem wasn’t the os but rather their aggressive push to get it on PCs that weren’t suitable
tomkatt@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I upgraded from Windows 11 to EndeavourOS. No regrets, it’s a huge improvement.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
How much of this is people not wanting to upgrade vs not being able to upgrade because their PC isn’t supported?
justsomeguy@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I’m a sys admin in the public sector and the hardware requirements of W11 are a great blessing. I couldn’t have convinced thousands of workers to switch to Linux and get used to another GUI but this forces it on us because there simply is no money to replace all that hardware. Rolling out Mint clients and between this and mobile operating systems Microsoft is finally losing its monopoly on the OS market.
Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
I have been called by friends, family friends, and their friends to help with this and so many have hardware that is not supported, and some are not able to afford a new PC right now. That’s my limited and personal experience about this.
I have reservations about installing Linux Mint/other for these people because I don’t have time to help right now and you do need sometimes help if you are slightly tech aware but not enough to be able to troubleshoot yourself or search for right info. For folks who barely touch any settings and just use it for docs + web it’s easy, but for others not always.
Microsoft is such an ass for doing this.
wshrader@lemmy.today 14 hours ago
Had to use Rufus to even install it on a ThinkPad which works perfectly. Drivers and all.
Maybe they should stop trying to be like Apple. You can’t limit upgrades then complain about no one upgrading.
altphoto@lemmy.today 12 hours ago
Replace that with “will never”…except at work because CEOs are stupid.
ThermonuclearCactus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 hours ago
The virtual machine I installed windows on to play games with kernel-level anticheat and other such spyware apparently isn’t compatible with windows 11. That’s a positive for 2 reasons, which are:
- It can’t run Windows 11, so no risk of a forced upgrade
- Windows won’t constantly harass me to upgrade.
10/10 experience, would not give give Windows access to bare metal again.
Xed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
I’m glad I’ve done away with Windows and Word/ office products for a very long time. Good riddance
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 12 hours ago
I mean… they force to upgrade people to OS with critical SSD issues.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I mean, it’s windows 10, but worse
If you have 8gb or less of RAM, it’s constantly swapping and trash your SSD
It always needs to automatically install the fucking updates in the background hogging the CPU and SSD time when you actually need to work/play
When they introduce bugs, they take years to fix them. The taskbar took 3 years to be restored to features that were present since windows 95. One year ago they introduced a new bug that with some display port monitors, when it goes in standby, the resolution switches for a second to 640*480, trashing all windows and desktop layout, super infuriating. Probably this will be fixed in windows 12
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
It’s the new Windows 8.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 minutes ago
At least we could skip w8