cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37265606
Windows 11 blue screens on my desktop on the very first boot right after installation.
Microsoft still can't convince folks to upgrade to Windows 11
Submitted 6 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://htxt.co.za/2025/09/microsoft-still-cant-convince-folks-to-upgrade-to-windows-11/
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agelord@lemmy.world 6 months ago
minorkeys@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Only Microsoft wants to upgrade. A product without a market in a monopoly is capitalism end game.
Victoriathecompact@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
tried to upgrade, it knocked me back to w10 and broke my sound driver
Damaskox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m still on win10. Planning on hopping over this one Linux-based operating system for gaming specifically (can’t remember its name) once the updates for Win10 run dry. I’ve heard so much bad stuff about 11 that I’m going to try again with Linux (years ago I jumped in Ubuntu since a friend recommended it but I needed to jump back because games didn’t work well).
Burninator05@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I ran POP-OS for about six months a couple of years ago and ended up switching back to Windows because there were too many compromises. Recently I tried it again with the same problems but jumped to Bazzite instead. It fixed most of my issues but I didn’t like the limitations imposed by the guardrails it put in place to make things easy. I then switched to Fedora since that is Bazitte’s base and haven’t looked back. The only issue I’ve had is the video drivers didnt install right automatically but the fix was three well documented commands.
ksigley@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Debian, I believe.
MadameBisaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Bazzite and nobara are the two I think. I am using Bazzite and am quite happy. Good luck
Damaskox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yes, it was Bazzite 😊 It was recommended by a friend.
JTskulk@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Bro they couldn’t convince me to upgrade to Windows 8.
maplebar@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Speaking of which… What’s the least invasive way of installing Windows 11?
My main desktop has a Linux and Windows 10 dual-boot setup, but I was thinking about switching to something like Windows To Go when Windows 10 hits EOL, only to find that WTG is no longer supported. I’ve heard that it’s still possible to make a bootable Windows 11 USB using Rufus, but that it’s somehow finicky or buggy…
I’m not sure if using a VM is a viable option for me, as I would probably need GPU passthrough and I really only have space for a single GPU in my current case (that would be used by my Linux host).
Am I stuck dual-booting?
generic_computers@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
My gaming computer runs Windows 11. I honestly couldn’t tell you the difference between Windows 10 and 11.
ArtificialRyan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Windows shoving AI down everyone’s throats lead me to Linux. First Debian, then Fedora. BTW I’m using Arch now. I love AI, but giving Microsoft full access to my entire file system by force rubs me the wrong way.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Same. I run a dual-boot with Linux Mint, but have a windows installation for gaming. I do 99% of my computing on Linux now.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
This happens every time there’s a new windows version
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 6 months ago
Part of it is just resistance to change, but the hardware restrictions and AI encroachment are legitimate impediments in this case.
RawDog@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I mean, who wants to buy a brand-new computer to be able to run Windows 11 anyway? Besides,most folks aren’t tech-savvy or care enough to go through the hoops just to install this dumpster fire of an OS.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My work computer had to be upgraded to 11
Why does my fucking file explorer stop responding so much?
I don’t understand how they fucked this up so badly
ShankShill@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
GUI elements in the taskbar on a shared work computer or any of the new UI style like to just disappear on hover. Or at random. Or only appear on hover.
Its a pretty recent Lenovo system with a Quadro, a 4k scaled and 1080p monitor. It doesn’t do it when IT remotes in, ever.
adavis@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I more surprised by how slow the start menu is. It’s absolutely incredible. Windows 7 start bar was faster on my core 2 duo with spinning hdd both to open and search than windows 11 on my 9800X3D with nvme ssd.
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Work upgraded my computer from 10 to 11 and now switching between desktops is noticeably slower
Katana314@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My work computer is on W11. Notifications got much worse, and moved to a harder-to-reach shortcut. There’s a persistent bug with maximization, in which many forms of apps will suddenly take over the region normally reserved for the taskbar (no, I’m not referring to full screen modes) that so far as I can tell can only be fixed by logging out.
The UI is worse, making settings pages even more confusing. Windows Explorer has dived deep into iconography, while still not being clear about what those icons mean. The new context menus are missing options, so they need an extra one to go back to W10’s options.
This is of course setting aside their blatant lies about “It’s not spyware we promise we promise”, among so many other hundreds of problems. I’m doomed to stay on W10 for now to finish a project, but afterwards, I’ll be finding a distro I prefer.
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 6 months ago
I moved to Linux thanks to their enshittification. I’m kicking myself I didn’t do it years ago. Linux is how an OS should be.
tea@lemmy.today 6 months ago
I think Linux has also improved immensely. There are so many more things available that weren’t an option even a few years ago. Not to say it was bad, but it wasn’t something most people could seemlessly do. Now it kinda is.
EldenLord@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Windows convinced me to upgrade to Linux :D
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 months ago
*Downgrade
Win 11 is a downgrade.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I converted to Linux as soon as one of the shit Windows 11 updates bricked my 5-year old laptop that was working fine previously.
Kubuntu 4 lyfe! ✌️🤪
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
ASTER
MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
They can’t convince me to switch to Win 11 because apparently my computer isn’t good enough.
innermachine@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I forced a win 11 upgrade on my old Lenovo laptop and it’s been running mint 🤟
Odemption@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
For me, my computer is eligible one day, and then incompatible the next. Switchin like that for a couple weeks now. Linux here I come I guess.
MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I’m poised… might try a dual boot first.
ghen@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
If you use Rufus to create a USB stick, there is an advanced option to disable the TPM check. So it’s just an extra checkbox.
Gearheart@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I have win 11. I only use it as a steam game machine and sometimes vr games.
If I’m ever required to reformat I’ll probably try IoT Enterprise LTSC. Unsure how video game friendly the version is though.
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 6 months ago
IOT Enterprise LTSC fully works for running Windows games. It just doesn’t have a lot of the bloatware. I’ve tried it and I’m dual booting with Arch.
If it is just meant as a steam machine, I recommend looking at Nobara for Nvidia GPU and Bazzite for AMD GPU. I will admit that I haven’t tested vr games yet.
Personally, I’m maining Arch and it plays most games in HDR at 4k 120Hz. My Windows is so I have access to Microsoft Office.
Gearheart@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Thanks. I’ll do some research on bazzite.
lustyargonian@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Curious: do the webapps of Office not suffice?
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 6 months ago
IoT Enterprise works just fine. That said, I still don’t trust Microsoft - it still insists on forced updates and reboots, and likely AI, down the line.
I am figuring on switching to SteamOS Desktop, once that is released.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Just go SteamOS or Bazzite. Make shit easy on yourself.
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
IIRC vr is still a bit of a mess on Linux.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I’m one of the few whose laptop is about 10 years old so it needs replacing. Most likely a new laptop will be preloaded with windows 11. Do they sell laptops pre-loaded with Linux?
CircuitSpells@lemmy.world 6 months ago
System76 has laptops with Pop OS
wulrus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s roughly what I’m hoping for: Former top of the line 7th gen CPU ThinkPad, such as a P51 or P71, might become really cheap as soon as the small Linux used hardware market is satiated when Win10 support ends.
For me, that’d be a massive upgrade :-)
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 6 months ago
eBay has tons of off-lease/refurbished computers for pennies on the dollar. Hard format the drive, install your distro, and you’re off and running.
ThePunnyMan@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I remember hearing about System76 a while back. They manage Pop!_OS which comes preloaded on their stuff. I don’t know much more than that. If you are mainly looking to replace your laptop because you don’t want to switch to 11, you could always try out Linux on it with a live USB. Basically you format a thumb drive to act as a boot drive. There are resources online on how to do it and it’s pretty simple. It doesn’t mess with your current install. If you like it, you can fully install it later.
Rooty@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You can get a laptop with no OS preinstalled just about everywhere.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 6 months ago
ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
TheLightItBurns@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There are some companies that sell hardware with Linux pre-installed. The bigger companies that do are Dell and Lenovo. Maybe some others I am not aware of. If you want to support a smaller company that also sells Linux preinstalled, you should look into System76 and Framework. I would not be surprised if there are others as well.
If you are feeling up to it, I think it’s a great idea to watch some videos regarding installing a Linux distribution on your own and doing it that way. It isn’t very difficult (You may have to adjust some BIOS settings for example) and many distributions guide you in keeping a windows install and Linux install at the same time dual boot style if you want a back up Windows install. It will be a good first step in learning a little about how Linux works so you can figure out any issues more easily if they happen to come up.
I switched to Linux primarily last year, and other than some distro hopping to find my right fit, I haven’t looked back and I don’t plan on it.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Thanks!
AA5B@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There are some companies that sell hardware with Linux pre-installed. The bigger companies that do are Dell and Lenovo.
Last time I checked, admittedly years ago, I was irritated at paying the same price as for the windows version of the same hardware. Why do I still need to pay the Microsoft tax and who’s getting it?
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 6 months ago
Installing linux yourself is dead easy. I would just buy a Windows laptop and wipe the drive
wulrus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It was already quite doable in late 1990s Suse, although it took a day and you actually had to read the book it came with. The partitioning was annoying and confusing for a first-timer, and the default packages were also lacking. Now, not harder than Windows.
this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t want Microsoft to have the win of selling even 1 license.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 months ago
they will try to force it for people that isnt saavy enough to use another OS,.
TimeNaan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Time to upgrade to Linux.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 6 months ago
Cool site! Didn’t know it existed, and I was pleased to see that there are people out there willing to “fingers on the keyboard” assist those who want to switch but don’t know how.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Worse drivers, more boat, more “telemetry” (spyware and adware), and it breaks everything.
Why the FUCK would I do that? Just to give microsoft more money? Go and FUCK yourself.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Don’t forget AI shoved down your throat that takes goddamn screen captures without any care of what sensitive infor,ation may be displayed and processes it to reme,bet everything your do. It’s goddamn 1984.
mhague@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Microsoft also works with American intelligence, like other corporations. They won’t even fix zero day exploits without first letting the NSA know in advance. Telecoms have black rooms whose entire purpose is to siphon data directly to the authorities, Microsoft probably has a whole building.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Mandatory secure boot is the thing. Before I get a new motherboard and CPU I’ll just get Linux. Gaming works great there, and those 3 things I actually need Microsoft for can be used in a VM
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I mean, it’s windows 10, but worse
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If you have 8gb or less of RAM, it’s constantly swapping and trash your SSD
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It always needs to automatically install the fucking updates in the background hogging the CPU and SSD time when you actually need to work/play
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When they introduce bugs, they take years to fix them. The taskbar took 3 years to be restored to features that were present since windows 95. One year ago they introduced a new bug that with some display port monitors, when it goes in standby, the resolution switches for a second to 640*480, trashing all windows and desktop layout, super infuriating. Probably this will be fixed in windows 12
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The updates are off the fucking charts. Constantly updating/breaking services and apps are useless literally until you reboot. They really took the “reboot will fix it” and ran as far as they could go.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 6 months ago
Four updates (and consequent reboots) in one week. Wtf
sunbytes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m grateful. It was the push I needed to stop using windows.
If they’d made it even vaguely tempting I probably wouldn’t have bothered.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s the new Windows 8.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
At least we could skip w8
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T156@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Even if I had wanted to upgrade, I wouldn’t be able to, since Microsoft needs hardware mg computer doesn’t have. I can’t imagine most people would care enough to even think about that. They’d just keep using the computer until it no longer worked, and in the modern day, that will take a lot longer than it would have a decade or two ago.
julysfire@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It was so unconvincing I switched to Linux
prototact@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I have had Linux for more than a year now, a universal blue managed one, I have forgotten what updates are even. Games play great, coding is super easy. Windows only exist because consumers are ignorant, but that can be said about most of capitalism.
Chivera@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They allow you to enroll in extended updates so you can get more time to upgrade 🤣
melfie@lemy.lol 6 months ago
I use Linux for almost everything, but I do have some important software that only works on Windows, so my solution is dual booting Windows 10 with a different static IP than the Linux partition, with the Windows IP blocked from the internet in the firewall.