Submitted 7 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://htxt.co.za/2025/09/microsoft-still-cant-convince-folks-to-upgrade-to-windows-11/
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37265606
I’m talking out of my ass, but I believe they couldn’t really convince the non-techies to upgrade from 7 & 8 to 10 either.
The average Joe doesn’t give a shit. They simply booted their computer one day and oops, it had upgraded itself to 10.
Microsoft could have almost this entire userbase on 11 by now without them even knowing, thanks to 10’s automatic updating, but nooooooo they just had to push TPM and whatever.
I kind of thought that was the only real difference with 11: requiring the tpm
No, they made a lot of working shit worse and a lot of new, invasive shit required.
That happened to my mother. Now she wants me to fix that shit and I just tell her I don’t know how to.
I’m a little out of date in my tech knowledge, but I built my current PC, built them all, always had enough knowledge to just get my shit going. It’s a 9900k so I got a do the bios thingy to make it work with 11, but I just haven’t gotten around to doing it. I know it’s not a big deal, but here I am. I even did something in the bios not too long ago trying to use Docker to host a Minecraft server for my kids.
And so yeah, if I didn’t have to TPM, it’d be over and done, but I’m just dragging my feet, and will presumably continue to do so. Hey, maybe they announce a moving of the deadline, I feel like that’s been a thing in the past.
And let me just get out ahead of this: I have a proprietary software that only works with Windows. I’m in a niche field. I’m also not so aggressive about the whole OS thing, it works fine for me. I turn on computer (who am I kidding, it’s on 24/7 for literally every) and it starts up quickly, does what I need it to do, etc. I have laptops with 11 and they do the same. I turn off the stupid copilot features, do some light tweaking here and there, as I’ve been doing since XP, and it works.
I am admittedly interested in the Linux, but my interest in using my computer is not what it was back in my teens and early 20s, and so I just don’t care.
What did you have to do to use a 9900? It’s supported, oldest supported is 8th gen.
The official support for Windows 10 ends on Oct 14, 2025. Switch now: endof10.org
You can get extended security updates until October 2026
You can buy extended security updates, if you are using a Microsoft cloud account to sign in.
why should I pay for something that Linux gives for free?
Have they tried not being spyware?
Imo, even taking away the spying thing, windows design is just awful and they somehow manage to pile up fuckups and poor choices as they release new OSs.
It pretty much comes down to wanting to monetize the user experience instead of simply wanting to charge for the OS in the traditional way. The user becomes the commodity instead of the software.
I’m glad I’ve done away with Windows and Word/ office products for a very long time. Good riddance
Stop forcing shit no one wants on your users then!
Every fucking update… Hey let’s backup your stuff. Hey wanna backup your stuff? Let’s backup your stuff! We totally won’t hold it hostage if you stop paying us lol!
🤬
I mean… they force to upgrade people to OS with critical SSD issues.
No no no, you have it all wrong. Microsoft said it wasn’t their fault!
Please ignore the fact that you can fix the issue by rolling back the windows update that causes it.
Replace that with “will never”…except at work because CEOs are stupid.
My work upgraded to Windows 11, now I have lag for a right click menu to appear, and once it does individual items (like Open with Notepad++) just show up as “Loading…” for several more seconds.
Yeah, that whole thing is just such a waste of time. Microsoft is trying to trap as many companies as possible like Google did for individual people in gmail.
I think its
beatings will continue until moral improves
I can’t help but feel like there is some confirmation bias going on here in these numbers. Someone who still uses Kaspersky after all of the Russian government allegations is probably someone who also doesn’t care if they can’t update to windows 11 because they don’t intend on spending more money for security patches.
I successfully upgraded from Windows 10 to Linux Mint.
I have windows 11 because it came with a new pc. The damn thing crashed so much it reminded me of bad windows from the old days. Don’t get it YET if you don’t have to.
Windows vista. Shudders
I have zero faith anyone on here will have anything nice to say about Win 11. But it is fine, no issues here and never have had any. Here in the UK it is Windows in the workplace or windows, so pointless for me to try and support clients without a Win 10 and a Win 11 box. Win 7 has been gone for years for most. It is also Office everywhere in the workplace too, nothing else gets a look in, with some businesses having a smattering of non Microsoft products. The reality is that plenty of people will happily drop a grand on a new phone but only want to spend like £200 on a business laptop they have to work on, because, well it is only work innit. So many people refusing to spend money on work computing needs and would rather watch the laptop slowly grinding its way through things because they can then blame THEIR poor output on a shit computer
only want to spend like £200 on a business laptop they have to work on, because, well it is only work innit
Sorry I’m confused, what UK workplace requires people to use a laptop but expects them to buy it with their own cash? O.o
Not sure why you’re downvoted as you are mostly correct.
I’m a linux user myself but i work for an msp so i manage corporate windows machines, and they mostly work just fine. But i must admit, when i take over a screen and i see the constant nagging to use a microsoft account, or onedrive, or copilot (granted, when you use Microsoft for corporate use you really have no choice but to use a microsoft account) It does make me glad i use Linux.
And our devices are almost always over $1000 so not exactly cheap machines either :)
Had to use Rufus to even install it on a ThinkPad which works perfectly. Drivers and all.
Maybe they should stop trying to be like Apple. You can’t limit upgrades then complain about no one upgrading.
They’re not limiting it because they’re worried about performance or drivers.
They’re limiting it because they want to force people into SecureBoot, TPM, and CPUs with several remote control management firmware, because this way they’re one stop closer to a fully closed down chain from boot to OS which allows for aggressive DRM and no escape from their ecosystem. Just like at how iOS works and the path Android has been going for the last five years.
The fact the PC ecosystem is open is a left over from the origins in the era before capitalism realized that trapping people into their digital landscapes was profitable, and they have been trying everything to make this go away. Microsoft’s wet dream is your PC becoming the same as your smart TV: a data harvesting, ad filled generic piece of hardware that can only display what they want you to see.
It’s not even about profits, they have all the money and leverage in the world, that’s the point of a fiat state mandated and backed currency. It’s about control and censorship and brainwashing. They want to make sure you only have a few corporate controlled choices. They want to make sure your children are being brainwashed by their algorithms and the influencers they support with their ad revenue.
Literally got a full screen pop up in the middle of work reminding me, that I, in fact, can’t upgrade to Windows 11. Like no shit, I turned TPM off for that very reason. You’d think Microsoft would expect me to know at this point as this was the upteenth reminder hijacking my entire screen. I’m sure I’ll get more of them.
I upgraded from Windows 11 to EndeavourOS. No regrets, it’s a huge improvement.
Win 11 launcher is pure shit.
The virtual machine I installed windows on to play games with kernel-level anticheat and other such spyware apparently isn’t compatible with windows 11. That’s a positive for 2 reasons, which are:
10/10 experience, would not give give Windows access to bare metal again.
Can you do this with a single GPU?
Yes but it is very janky.
Also most kernel anticheats will bark when they detect they are running in a VM.
The risk for both general and corporate business users far outweighs any minor inconveniences of moving to a new OS version.
Minor inconveniences like HAVING TO BUY A WHOLE NEW FUCKING COMPUTER.
These people live in a fantasy world.
Other minor inconveniences may include:
Left out being nagged to death about other products and services microsoft thinks you should buy.
What? Don’t you guys have money?
Just stop being poor, duh!
I use Win11 on my main computer for work and school reasons. I need maximum compatibility and reliability and it has met those goals. Back in the day, I used to use Linux on my old laptops and I dual-booted it on my main PC. It has been awesome seeing how far it has come and I would like to get back into it some day.
That being said, a huge barrier for Linux and prospective new users is the community. The Linux community is highly combative and toxic and it absolutely sours what should (and could!) be a great experience. Almost every interaction I had while troubleshooting had some level of condescending attitude or outright hostility and there were numerous times I was directly insulted for asking for help - the most recent being a couple years ago when I was trying out a distro and had sound driver issues.
100% this. The Linux community seems very hostile to people trying to learn. The amount of times I’ve looked something up just to find a thread answered with “learn how to use search” or people just being outright mean to someone who is just figuring the basics out…
The year of the Linux desktop is never until the comnunity gets its toxic shithead problem under control.
Been using Linux for 20 years. Never had this issue. Maybe I just did not notice due to the expectation of people being shitty in general.
I have to say, I’ve only been using Linux for maybe 2 years now, and my experience has been the exact opposite.
That is also my experience. People are certainly opinionated which could be interpreted as hostility in some cases, but most people are willing to share and help when someone less knowledgable have gotten stuck with something.
Switched to PopOS on my desktop and Mint on the ancient laptop my gf had laying around. No real complaints. Games run fine. Browser runs fine. I had some trouble getting mint installed on the old laptop, but the internet had a solution.
I think the install process is kind of daunting for many users, but once it’s going I think the average user won’t have any problems. Windows, by contrast, is kind of aggressive with its “GOING TO UPDATE NOW” and “don’t you want to use one drive???”
Microsoft’s new OS has never been a concern of mine. I still have a windows XP, Vista, and windows 7 PC’s. They all work fine but zero security updates of course. You don’t need to upgrade your OS and most people will simply just keep windows 10 instead up buying a new computer.
I’m just going to setup dual boot with linux since i have some modding and custom software that only works on windows.
Hahahahah. “Upgrade.”
What bothers me is that I’m getting all this “upgrade to windows 11” crap from other companies, like my antivirus. I get that eset reason to tell me about possible security risks to my computer, but I’d prefer if they give me options for addressing it that don’t involve dealing with a new OS, especially the win 11 dumpster fire.
I just can’t be fucked. I have win10 on my laptop that I boot once a month to run some windows programs but other then that I don’t care about it. The only reason I see myself upgrading is to maybe know how to help my relatives with their windows 11 problems.
The best solution to your relative’s Win11 problems is a Linux live boot disc. ;)
Depending on what you’re running on it or how you connect it to the Internet or your home network, you’re going to be at more and more risk as time goes on.
What’s the harm in upgrading now, especially if you barely ever use it?
I hate win 11 and there’s a lot of downsides to running it, but they’re going to quickly become a minor issue when compared to the risks of running an unpatched OS that is that huge of a target for exploits. Just trust me on that, the risks are going to get more and more real because attackers KNOW there’s a huuuuge number of businesses and consumers that just won’t upgrade and they’re frothing at the mouth to take advantage of the next few years of opportunity.
There’s a version of Windows 10 called LTSC (long term servicing channel) that will continue to receive patches, just no new features, that you can stay on for probably the length of time you’ll have that laptop. Since you barely use the laptop it’s probably perfect for you. You can easily find out how to obtain and activate it for free, securely, with a simple search - I won’t link to it here. One of my servers is running it because it’s old hardware and runs software that requires windows. It’s a really good option for people that don’t want to or don’t have hardware that supports 11, but want something secure and functional.
Microsoft was successful in convincing me to upgrade to Mint however.
Me too. Had been wanting to switch to linux for some time and Windows 11 gave me the final push and it went a lot smoother than expected.
That is such a dumb clickbait title made to be fueled by emotions.
Who are those folks that can’t be convinced? Because it sure as hell aren’t the businesses who are moving all their Windows 10 PCs over to Windows 11.
Do they mean the consumer users? The ones who would still be on Windows XP if it weren’t for Microsoft forcing their updates? Who only update when they get a new computer and postpone every update because why should they bother?
The ones who could be convinced already are on Windows 11. The rest Microsoft doesn’t care about.
Well, we are talking about half the active PCs still running Windows 10 instead of Windows 11.
That’s a lot more than just the few “I don’t care”-people.
Instead it consist mainly of the “I don’t have the means” people, that don’t have the Hardware required to upgrade and also not the money to quickly change that.
Microsoft screwed up here. There simple was no need to demand such harsh hardware requirements and especially no need to enforce them that hard.
I have to firmly disagree - I mean Apple changed their whole cpu setup to force upgrades didn’t they…
Also it is over 10 years old, that’s a good run. Has nothing to do with tight ass business owners who are turning to AI and using the money there instead has it?
The hardware requirements are not that harsh. People simply believe they are. Intel rested on its laurels for 10 years and then people are like, oh I need a new setup my cpu won’t run Win 11!
Have the not learned anything? In 30 years of windows releases???
To get customers to upgrade, they have to release Windows 12. We only upgrade every other major version, because every other major version is terrible. Including W11.
That every other version thing hasn’t been true for a while now. Every version after Windows 7 has been terrible.
This “ackchually, Win10 is good” revisionism that appeared when 11 released is infuriating. When 10 came out, everyone hated it, and now that something even worse exists, somehow the old shit became good?
Hot take here, but I think both Linux and Windows suck. I’m just picking the poison most suited to my needs on each computer
then get a mac or bsd?
I got Windows 11 just because my work pc was Win 11. I learned where everything got moved. I use Bazzite Linux at home now. Loving it. Learned a lot and I’m still learning. Now I need to learn how to overwrite Windows 11 with an older version without fudging my GRUB (again, I really don’t like having to fix that thing)
FarrellPerks@feddit.uk 7 months ago
Microsoft ‘Convinced’ me to move to Linux, best move I’ve ever done.