cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37265606
Had to use Rufus to even install it on a ThinkPad which works perfectly. Drivers and all.
Maybe they should stop trying to be like Apple. You can’t limit upgrades then complain about no one upgrading.
Microsoft still can't convince folks to upgrade to Windows 11
Submitted 2 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://htxt.co.za/2025/09/microsoft-still-cant-convince-folks-to-upgrade-to-windows-11/
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wshrader@lemmy.today 1 month ago
kadup@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They’re not limiting it because they’re worried about performance or drivers.
They’re limiting it because they want to force people into SecureBoot, TPM, and CPUs with several remote control management firmware, because this way they’re one stop closer to a fully closed down chain from boot to OS which allows for aggressive DRM and no escape from their ecosystem. Just like at how iOS works and the path Android has been going for the last five years.
The fact the PC ecosystem is open is a left over from the origins in the era before capitalism realized that trapping people into their digital landscapes was profitable, and they have been trying everything to make this go away. Microsoft’s wet dream is your PC becoming the same as your smart TV: a data harvesting, ad filled generic piece of hardware that can only display what they want you to see.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
It’s not even about profits, they have all the money and leverage in the world, that’s the point of a fiat state mandated and backed currency. It’s about control and censorship and brainwashing. They want to make sure you only have a few corporate controlled choices. They want to make sure your children are being brainwashed by their algorithms and the influencers they support with their ad revenue.
ThermonuclearCactus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
The virtual machine I installed windows on to play games with kernel-level anticheat and other such spyware apparently isn’t compatible with windows 11. That’s a positive for 2 reasons, which are:
- It can’t run Windows 11, so no risk of a forced upgrade
- Windows won’t constantly harass me to upgrade.
10/10 experience, would not give give Windows access to bare metal again.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Can you do this with a single GPU?
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Yes but it is very janky.
Also most kernel anticheats will bark when they detect they are running in a VM.
Honytawk@feddit.nl 1 month ago
That is such a dumb clickbait title made to be fueled by emotions.
Who are those folks that can’t be convinced? Because it sure as hell aren’t the businesses who are moving all their Windows 10 PCs over to Windows 11.
Do they mean the consumer users? The ones who would still be on Windows XP if it weren’t for Microsoft forcing their updates? Who only update when they get a new computer and postpone every update because why should they bother?
The ones who could be convinced already are on Windows 11. The rest Microsoft doesn’t care about.
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Well, we are talking about half the active PCs still running Windows 10 instead of Windows 11.
That’s a lot more than just the few “I don’t care”-people.Instead it consist mainly of the “I don’t have the means” people, that don’t have the Hardware required to upgrade and also not the money to quickly change that.
Microsoft screwed up here. There simple was no need to demand such harsh hardware requirements and especially no need to enforce them that hard.
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 month ago
I have to firmly disagree - I mean Apple changed their whole cpu setup to force upgrades didn’t they…
Also it is over 10 years old, that’s a good run. Has nothing to do with tight ass business owners who are turning to AI and using the money there instead has it?
The hardware requirements are not that harsh. People simply believe they are. Intel rested on its laurels for 10 years and then people are like, oh I need a new setup my cpu won’t run Win 11!
EldenLord@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Windows convinced me to upgrade to Linux :D
unphazed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I got Windows 11 just because my work pc was Win 11. I learned where everything got moved. I use Bazzite Linux at home now. Loving it. Learned a lot and I’m still learning. Now I need to learn how to overwrite Windows 11 with an older version without fudging my GRUB (again, I really don’t like having to fix that thing)
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My work computer had to be upgraded to 11
Why does my fucking file explorer stop responding so much?
I don’t understand how they fucked this up so badly
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Work upgraded my computer from 10 to 11 and now switching between desktops is noticeably slower
ShankShill@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
GUI elements in the taskbar on a shared work computer or any of the new UI style like to just disappear on hover. Or at random. Or only appear on hover.
Its a pretty recent Lenovo system with a Quadro, a 4k scaled and 1080p monitor. It doesn’t do it when IT remotes in, ever.
adavis@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I more surprised by how slow the start menu is. It’s absolutely incredible. Windows 7 start bar was faster on my core 2 duo with spinning hdd both to open and search than windows 11 on my 9800X3D with nvme ssd.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I use Win11 on my main computer for work and school reasons. I need maximum compatibility and reliability and it has met those goals. Back in the day, I used to use Linux on my old laptops and I dual-booted it on my main PC. It has been awesome seeing how far it has come and I would like to get back into it some day.
That being said, a huge barrier for Linux and prospective new users is the community. The Linux community is highly combative and toxic and it absolutely sours what should (and could!) be a great experience. Almost every interaction I had while troubleshooting had some level of condescending attitude or outright hostility and there were numerous times I was directly insulted for asking for help - the most recent being a couple years ago when I was trying out a distro and had sound driver issues.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I have to say, I’ve only been using Linux for maybe 2 years now, and my experience has been the exact opposite.
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
That is also my experience. People are certainly opinionated which could be interpreted as hostility in some cases, but most people are willing to share and help when someone less knowledgable have gotten stuck with something.
DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
100% this. The Linux community seems very hostile to people trying to learn. The amount of times I’ve looked something up just to find a thread answered with “learn how to use search” or people just being outright mean to someone who is just figuring the basics out…
The year of the Linux desktop is never until the comnunity gets its toxic shithead problem under control.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Been using Linux for 20 years. Never had this issue. Maybe I just did not notice due to the expectation of people being shitty in general.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 months ago
For anyone that refuses to downgrade win10 to win11 and still wants to be secure 0Patch will cover your computer for 25eur/computer/year.
I’ve never used them, but a security researcher I follow regularly promoted them since they’ve been doing this for systems for a good while (I think win7 was the first one they did) and are able to apply their micropatches in memory.
Definitely worth a look if you don’t want to upgrade to Linux while not downgrading to win11.
kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Or just get the IoT enterprise edition. Support for many more years straight from MS. Or better yet try Linux.
Sertou@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You can also get extended service updates from Microsoft for at least a year. $30 for up to 15 computers, although there are also a couple of ways to get then free. 1000 bing rewards points, or enabling Backup to sync your settings to OneDrive are supposed to both means to get them that will become available soon.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I literally can’t. And I’m not buying new hardware just to make the switch.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 month ago
*Downgrade
Win 11 is a downgrade.
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
I mean… they force to upgrade people to OS with critical SSD issues.
phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
No no no, you have it all wrong. Microsoft said it wasn’t their fault!
Please ignore the fact that you can fix the issue by rolling back the windows update that causes it.
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Replace that with “will never”…except at work because CEOs are stupid.
wer2@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
My work upgraded to Windows 11, now I have lag for a right click menu to appear, and once it does individual items (like Open with Notepad++) just show up as “Loading…” for several more seconds.
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Yeah, that whole thing is just such a waste of time. Microsoft is trying to trap as many companies as possible like Google did for individual people in gmail.
I think its
FarrellPerks@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Microsoft ‘Convinced’ me to move to Linux, best move I’ve ever done.
RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Have the not learned anything? In 30 years of windows releases???
To get customers to upgrade, they have to release Windows 12. We only upgrade every other major version, because every other major version is terrible. Including W11.
toddestan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That every other version thing hasn’t been true for a while now. Every version after Windows 7 has been terrible.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 1 month ago
This “ackchually, Win10 is good” revisionism that appeared when 11 released is infuriating. When 10 came out, everyone hated it, and now that something even worse exists, somehow the old shit became good?
T156@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Even if I had wanted to upgrade, I wouldn’t be able to, since Microsoft needs hardware mg computer doesn’t have. I can’t imagine most people would care enough to even think about that. They’d just keep using the computer until it no longer worked, and in the modern day, that will take a lot longer than it would have a decade or two ago.
ArtificialRyan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Windows shoving AI down everyone’s throats lead me to Linux. First Debian, then Fedora. BTW I’m using Arch now. I love AI, but giving Microsoft full access to my entire file system by force rubs me the wrong way.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Same. I run a dual-boot with Linux Mint, but have a windows installation for gaming. I do 99% of my computing on Linux now.
Moltz@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Literally got a full screen pop up in the middle of work reminding me, that I, in fact, can’t upgrade to Windows 11. Like no shit, I turned TPM off for that very reason. You’d think Microsoft would expect me to know at this point as this was the upteenth reminder hijacking my entire screen. I’m sure I’ll get more of them.
Xed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I’m glad I’ve done away with Windows and Word/ office products for a very long time. Good riddance
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Funny how Kaspersky thinks what it comes down to are people who are afraid of change, when there’s also just people who are also not too happy with the direction Microsoft is taking their OS. And then there’s the fact that their stats only come from users who still use Kaspersky, which might be mostly businesses, instead of the average joe, skewing the data.
m3t00@lemmy.world 1 month ago
beatings will continue until moral improves
Jyek@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I can’t help but feel like there is some confirmation bias going on here in these numbers. Someone who still uses Kaspersky after all of the Russian government allegations is probably someone who also doesn’t care if they can’t update to windows 11 because they don’t intend on spending more money for security patches.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 2 months ago
11 was fine until they forced Copilot Vision on everyone. That was the straw for me to finally bail to Linux
MudMan@fedia.io 2 months ago
They did what, now? I have no Copilot features turned on in my PC, and I actually have a certified Copilot+ laptop.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 1 month ago
theverge.com/…/windows-11-microsoft-ai-features-c…
I don’t care how much Microsoft tries to assure me that a screen scanning and indexing software can be toggled off. I don’t want that kind of spyware on my computer at all.
zrst@lemmy.cif.su 2 months ago
Nah.
It was never fine.
Zier@fedia.io 2 months ago
You will be shocked to learn that you can upgrade, for free, to Windows 12.
It's called Linux.leriotdelac@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I’d go for Lunix, if the software I need for work would I run on it. Thinking about keeping Win 10 on a separate disk, since my laptop is not eligible for Win 11.
rozodru@piefed.social 2 months ago
not trying to be one of those guys but trying to be helpful. What software for work do you need that won't work on a linux distro?
I mean wine/winetricks is pretty much to the point now where you can simply download an .exe or whatever, double click it, and it'll launch. I do this for several Windows only programs I have and they all work. And the thing with the Linux community is that there's always SOMEONE that will insist on getting the most obscure drivers working on it. I once had this dongle from like the early 2000s that would allow you to plug PSX and PS2 memory cards into it. I thought "yeah I'd like to use this again, no way it'll work on linux" and sure enough someone had actually made the drivers for it. I think it's only me and the guy who made the driver that actually use the thing.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’m one of the few whose laptop is about 10 years old so it needs replacing. Most likely a new laptop will be preloaded with windows 11. Do they sell laptops pre-loaded with Linux?
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Installing linux yourself is dead easy. I would just buy a Windows laptop and wipe the drive
this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t want Microsoft to have the win of selling even 1 license.
wulrus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It was already quite doable in late 1990s Suse, although it took a day and you actually had to read the book it came with. The partitioning was annoying and confusing for a first-timer, and the default packages were also lacking. Now, not harder than Windows.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Rooty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You can get a laptop with no OS preinstalled just about everywhere.
CircuitSpells@lemmy.world 1 month ago
System76 has laptops with Pop OS
wulrus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s roughly what I’m hoping for: Former top of the line 7th gen CPU ThinkPad, such as a P51 or P71, might become really cheap as soon as the small Linux used hardware market is satiated when Win10 support ends.
For me, that’d be a massive upgrade :-)
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 1 month ago
eBay has tons of off-lease/refurbished computers for pennies on the dollar. Hard format the drive, install your distro, and you’re off and running.
ThePunnyMan@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I remember hearing about System76 a while back. They manage Pop!_OS which comes preloaded on their stuff. I don’t know much more than that. If you are mainly looking to replace your laptop because you don’t want to switch to 11, you could always try out Linux on it with a live USB. Basically you format a thumb drive to act as a boot drive. There are resources online on how to do it and it’s pretty simple. It doesn’t mess with your current install. If you like it, you can fully install it later.
TheLightItBurns@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There are some companies that sell hardware with Linux pre-installed. The bigger companies that do are Dell and Lenovo. Maybe some others I am not aware of. If you want to support a smaller company that also sells Linux preinstalled, you should look into System76 and Framework. I would not be surprised if there are others as well.
If you are feeling up to it, I think it’s a great idea to watch some videos regarding installing a Linux distribution on your own and doing it that way. It isn’t very difficult (You may have to adjust some BIOS settings for example) and many distributions guide you in keeping a windows install and Linux install at the same time dual boot style if you want a back up Windows install. It will be a good first step in learning a little about how Linux works so you can figure out any issues more easily if they happen to come up.
I switched to Linux primarily last year, and other than some distro hopping to find my right fit, I haven’t looked back and I don’t plan on it.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There are some companies that sell hardware with Linux pre-installed. The bigger companies that do are Dell and Lenovo.
Last time I checked, admittedly years ago, I was irritated at paying the same price as for the windows version of the same hardware. Why do I still need to pay the Microsoft tax and who’s getting it?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Thanks!
DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Hahahahah. “Upgrade.”
Nikls94@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Mandatory secure boot is the thing. Before I get a new motherboard and CPU I’ll just get Linux. Gaming works great there, and those 3 things I actually need Microsoft for can be used in a VM
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Win 11 launcher is pure shit.
derry@midwest.social 2 months ago
But they managed to convince people to switch to Linux
YogaDouchebag@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If they just sold a very simple lightweight barebone version of Win 10 for 30-40 usd with regular security updates for the next 200 years, they could make so much money for eternity. Just sell those Apps/Widgets as additional paid apps, that is all you need.
Dojan@pawb.social 2 months ago
But the app/widget spyware is what they want you to run.
YogaDouchebag@lemmy.world 2 months ago
True
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
What?! Are they not emphasizing that the start menu has moved from the left of the screen to the middle of the screen? Really seems like that alone should hook people.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They should advertise the new feature of not being able to put the task bar on any side of the screen you want! “We’re improving your experience by making it worse!”
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And no Toolbars on the taskbar anymore.
Cricket@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
You forgot to mention the great new start menu feature that makes it spike the CPU when you merely click it!