Microsoft still can't convince folks to upgrade to Windows 11

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• MudMan@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Microsoft has given users fair warning, and said that users can get a year of updates for free but eventually the company will have to face facts and extended support beyond October.

  We can’t recall a time where Microsoft has done such a thing but these are extenuating circumstances given that most users just aren’t budging.

  WTF is this guy talking about? Far as I can tell this is the Win7 playbook all over again. Looking it up, this was the timeline:

  Jan. 13, 2015: Microsoft ended Mainstream Support for Windows 7.

  Sept. 6, 2018: Microsoft announced the ESUs for Windows 7. The ESU program is a paid service that provides critical security updates for legacy products for up to three years after Extended Support ends.
  
  August 2019: Microsoft announced a year of free ESUs, but only for select users, including customers with an Enterprise Agreement or Enterprise Agreement Subscription with active Windows 10 Enterprise E5, Microsoft 365 E5, or Microsoft 365 E5 Security subscriptions. This was limited to only Government E5 stock keeping units.
  
  Jan. 14, 2020: Microsoft ended Extended Support for Windows 7.
  
  Jan. 10, 2023: The ESUs reached their end of life on the first Patch Tuesday of 2023.
  

  That's almost a decade of post-end of support updates. If anything, MS confirmed ESU support before trying to shut down home user patches this time, so it looks less like terrified backpedalling now. And as the linked article itself admits, the data they're reporting on still shows a significant number of users still on Win7. The article waves it away as just "too many", but the original report says 8.5%.

  Because, as it turns out, the kind of people using Kapersky antivirus software and the number of people who would not upgrade from a 16 year old OS that has lost support half a dozen times over the past half a decade show significant overlap. Don't be that guy. On the Steam survey right now Win 7 is only 0.07%, for reference.

  While we're at it Win 11 is 60% vs 35% for Win 10. For all the headlines when Steam shows Linux growth you don't often hear over here that Win 11 went up by 0.5% and Windows overall went up by 0.36%.

  I've said it before and I'll keep reality checking it: the Win 10 end of support process has been wildly overhyped, particularly among Linux-friendly circles. It is not meaningfully different to moves out of other "good" versions of Windows and it's not a catastrophic crisis point for MS, for better and worse. They'll keep support up for the people who need it for as long as they're willing to pay and most legacy home users won't even know their old Win10 is unsupported because it'll just keep happily chugging along with all the same malware it already has until something breaks and they have to buy a new laptop with a preinstalled Win11 or 12 or whatever.

  The most the Win10 death hype is doing to hurt MS is create a flurry of social media posts that can make tech savvy, Linux-curious users who were previously held back by lack of gaming support to give user friendly distros a try.

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  • FishFace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Uh, sorry, we don’t allow sane takes here. Get out.

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    • Reverendender@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This person with their “logic.” Honestly.

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• Xed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m glad I’ve done away with Windows and Word/ office products for a very long time. Good riddance

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• Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That is such a dumb clickbait title made to be fueled by emotions.

  Who are those folks that can’t be convinced? Because it sure as hell aren’t the businesses who are moving all their Windows 10 PCs over to Windows 11.

  Do they mean the consumer users? The ones who would still be on Windows XP if it weren’t for Microsoft forcing their updates? Who only update when they get a new computer and postpone every update because why should they bother?

  The ones who could be convinced already are on Windows 11. The rest Microsoft doesn’t care about.

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  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well, we are talking about half the active PCs still running Windows 10 instead of Windows 11.
    That’s a lot more than just the few “I don’t care”-people.

    Instead it consist mainly of the “I don’t have the means” people, that don’t have the Hardware required to upgrade and also not the money to quickly change that.

    Microsoft screwed up here. There simple was no need to demand such harsh hardware requirements and especially no need to enforce them that hard.

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    • 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I have to firmly disagree - I mean Apple changed their whole cpu setup to force upgrades didn’t they…
      Also it is over 10 years old, that’s a good run. Has nothing to do with tight ass business owners who are turning to AI and using the money there instead has it?
      The hardware requirements are not that harsh. People simply believe they are. Intel rested on its laurels for 10 years and then people are like, oh I need a new setup my cpu won’t run Win 11!

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  they did convince me to upgrade to linux mint 22 tho

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• TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I use Win11 on my main computer for work and school reasons. I need maximum compatibility and reliability and it has met those goals. Back in the day, I used to use Linux on my old laptops and I dual-booted it on my main PC. It has been awesome seeing how far it has come and I would like to get back into it some day.

  That being said, a huge barrier for Linux and prospective new users is the community. The Linux community is highly combative and toxic and it absolutely sours what should (and could!) be a great experience. Almost every interaction I had while troubleshooting had some level of condescending attitude or outright hostility and there were numerous times I was directly insulted for asking for help - the most recent being a couple years ago when I was trying out a distro and had sound driver issues.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have to say, I’ve only been using Linux for maybe 2 years now, and my experience has been the exact opposite.

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    • cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That is also my experience. People are certainly opinionated which could be interpreted as hostility in some cases, but most people are willing to share and help when someone less knowledgable have gotten stuck with something.

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  • DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    100% this. The Linux community seems very hostile to people trying to learn. The amount of times I’ve looked something up just to find a thread answered with “learn how to use search” or people just being outright mean to someone who is just figuring the basics out…

    The year of the Linux desktop is never until the comnunity gets its toxic shithead problem under control.

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    • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Been using Linux for 20 years. Never had this issue. Maybe I just did not notice due to the expectation of people being shitty in general.

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• Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What?! Are they not emphasizing that the start menu has moved from the left of the screen to the middle of the screen? Really seems like that alone should hook people.

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They should advertise the new feature of not being able to put the task bar on any side of the screen you want! “We’re improving your experience by making it worse!”

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    • Bonesince1997@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And no Toolbars on the taskbar anymore.

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  • Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You forgot to mention the great new start menu feature that makes it spike the CPU when you merely click it!

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• Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Wait…
  Excluding half of the active PCs or so from upgrade due to arbitrary hardware constraints didn’t push upgrading?
  How can this be??? 😯🫢

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  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What actually is the hardware requirement here?

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      First major requirement is the presence of a recent TPM module, which is absolutely not required performance-wise, but only for DRM-reasons (and read that as “Digital Restriction Management”).
      Second even more arbitrary one is that they excluded all CPUs before at least Coffee Lake generation. Perhaps half of the PC stuff people I know to be running at home is still from the mid-2010s, so practically completely pre-Coffee-Lake.
      And the IT infrastructure of the e.g. the German executive government branches is on average probably more in the range of 15 years old. A surprising lot of that isn’t even fully switched to Windows 10 yet… (hey, at least we are increasingly migrating away from Telefax…!)

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• Moltz@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Literally got a full screen pop up in the middle of work reminding me, that I, in fact, can’t upgrade to Windows 11. Like no shit, I turned TPM off for that very reason. You’d think Microsoft would expect me to know at this point as this was the upteenth reminder hijacking my entire screen. I’m sure I’ll get more of them.

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• ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yeah, because if I did then in another 5 years it would be the same thing with Windows 12. Then 13. And so on. So I’m ditching Microsoft entirely in October and moving onto Mint.

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  • slaughterhouse@lemmy.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why wait? 😁 I made the move in May, and it’s been great!

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    • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t doubt it, I’m just very stubborn and afraid of change

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  • GreenMartian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    moving onto Mint.

    Yeah, but in another 2 years it would be the same with Mint 23. Then 24. And so on… /s

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• unphazed@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I got Windows 11 just because my work pc was Win 11. I learned where everything got moved. I use Bazzite Linux at home now. Loving it. Learned a lot and I’m still learning. Now I need to learn how to overwrite Windows 11 with an older version without fudging my GRUB (again, I really don’t like having to fix that thing)

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• m3t00@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  beatings will continue until moral improves

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• Jyek@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I can’t help but feel like there is some confirmation bias going on here in these numbers. Someone who still uses Kaspersky after all of the Russian government allegations is probably someone who also doesn’t care if they can’t update to windows 11 because they don’t intend on spending more money for security patches.

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• Bonesince1997@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Read the room, Microsoft.

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• Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  For anyone that refuses to downgrade win10 to win11 and still wants to be secure 0Patch will cover your computer for 25eur/computer/year.

  I’ve never used them, but a security researcher I follow regularly promoted them since they’ve been doing this for systems for a good while (I think win7 was the first one they did) and are able to apply their micropatches in memory.

  Definitely worth a look if you don’t want to upgrade to Linux while not downgrading to win11.

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  • kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Or just get the IoT enterprise edition. Support for many more years straight from MS. Or better yet try Linux.

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  • Sertou@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You can also get extended service updates from Microsoft for at least a year. $30 for up to 15 computers, although there are also a couple of ways to get then free. 1000 bing rewards points, or enabling Backup to sync your settings to OneDrive are supposed to both means to get them that will become available soon.

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• k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I literally can’t. And I’m not buying new hardware just to make the switch.

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• RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Have the not learned anything? In 30 years of windows releases???

  To get customers to upgrade, they have to release Windows 12. We only upgrade every other major version, because every other major version is terrible. Including W11.

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  • toddestan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That every other version thing hasn’t been true for a while now. Every version after Windows 7 has been terrible.

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    • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This “ackchually, Win10 is good” revisionism that appeared when 11 released is infuriating. When 10 came out, everyone hated it, and now that something even worse exists, somehow the old shit became good?

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• SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Win 11 launcher is pure shit.

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• DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Hahahahah. “Upgrade.”

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• yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Funny how Kaspersky thinks what it comes down to are people who are afraid of change, when there’s also just people who are also not too happy with the direction Microsoft is taking their OS. And then there’s the fact that their stats only come from users who still use Kaspersky, which might be mostly businesses, instead of the average joe, skewing the data.

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• Zier@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You will be shocked to learn that you can upgrade, for free, to Windows 12.
  It's called Linux.

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  • leriotdelac@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’d go for Lunix, if the software I need for work would I run on it. Thinking about keeping Win 10 on a separate disk, since my laptop is not eligible for Win 11.

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    • rozodru@piefed.social ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      not trying to be one of those guys but trying to be helpful. What software for work do you need that won't work on a linux distro?

      I mean wine/winetricks is pretty much to the point now where you can simply download an .exe or whatever, double click it, and it'll launch. I do this for several Windows only programs I have and they all work. And the thing with the Linux community is that there's always SOMEONE that will insist on getting the most obscure drivers working on it. I once had this dongle from like the early 2000s that would allow you to plug PSX and PS2 memory cards into it. I thought "yeah I'd like to use this again, no way it'll work on linux" and sure enough someone had actually made the drivers for it. I think it's only me and the guy who made the driver that actually use the thing.

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• derry@midwest.social ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  But they managed to convince people to switch to Linux

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• gera@feddit.nu ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I just can’t be fucked. I have win10 on my laptop that I boot once a month to run some windows programs but other then that I don’t care about it. The only reason I see myself upgrading is to maybe know how to help my relatives with their windows 11 problems.

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  • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The best solution to your relative’s Win11 problems is a Linux live boot disc. ;)

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  • pishadoot@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Depending on what you’re running on it or how you connect it to the Internet or your home network, you’re going to be at more and more risk as time goes on.

    What’s the harm in upgrading now, especially if you barely ever use it?

    I hate win 11 and there’s a lot of downsides to running it, but they’re going to quickly become a minor issue when compared to the risks of running an unpatched OS that is that huge of a target for exploits. Just trust me on that, the risks are going to get more and more real because attackers KNOW there’s a huuuuge number of businesses and consumers that just won’t upgrade and they’re frothing at the mouth to take advantage of the next few years of opportunity.

    There’s a version of Windows 10 called LTSC (long term servicing channel) that will continue to receive patches, just no new features, that you can stay on for probably the length of time you’ll have that laptop. Since you barely use the laptop it’s probably perfect for you. You can easily find out how to obtain and activate it for free, securely, with a simple search - I won’t link to it here. One of my servers is running it because it’s old hardware and runs software that requires windows. It’s a really good option for people that don’t want to or don’t have hardware that supports 11, but want something secure and functional.

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• salacious_coaster@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  11 was fine until they forced Copilot Vision on everyone. That was the straw for me to finally bail to Linux

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  • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They did what, now? I have no Copilot features turned on in my PC, and I actually have a certified Copilot+ laptop.

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    • salacious_coaster@infosec.pub ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      theverge.com/…/windows-11-microsoft-ai-features-c…

      I don’t care how much Microsoft tries to assure me that a screen scanning and indexing software can be toggled off. I don’t want that kind of spyware on my computer at all.

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    • DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Recall

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  • zrst@lemmy.cif.su ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Nah.

    It was never fine.

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• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Switched to PopOS on my desktop and Mint on the ancient laptop my gf had laying around. No real complaints. Games run fine. Browser runs fine. I had some trouble getting mint installed on the old laptop, but the internet had a solution.

  I think the install process is kind of daunting for many users, but once it’s going I think the average user won’t have any problems. Windows, by contrast, is kind of aggressive with its “GOING TO UPDATE NOW” and “don’t you want to use one drive???”

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• YogaDouchebag@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If they just sold a very simple lightweight barebone version of Win 10 for 30-40 usd with regular security updates for the next 200 years, they could make so much money for eternity. Just sell those Apps/Widgets as additional paid apps, that is all you need.

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  • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But the app/widget spyware is what they want you to run.

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    • YogaDouchebag@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      True

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• RandAlThor@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I have windows 11 because it came with a new pc. The damn thing crashed so much it reminded me of bad windows from the old days. Don’t get it YET if you don’t have to.

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  • Pringles@sopuli.xyz ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Windows vista. Shudders

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• bigbabybilly@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I sidestepped the win11 artificial requirements, and things are great.

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• restingboredface@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What bothers me is that I’m getting all this “upgrade to windows 11” crap from other companies, like my antivirus. I get that eset reason to tell me about possible security risks to my computer, but I’d prefer if they give me options for addressing it that don’t involve dealing with a new OS, especially the win 11 dumpster fire.

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• daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I can’t wait for what comes first. The claudication and predictable extended support or the wave of malware paralyzing half the world over unsecured devices.

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  • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think the latter is more likely. The former will only occur once MS is compelled by something that will force them into support mode, like a government or a lawsuit.

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The only reason I got a Win11 computer at work is that the new box came with Win11 preinstalled.

  Most work is still done on an aging Win7 box and my Linux laptop.

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