How decentralized Bluesky is compared to the Fediverse.

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• ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So why does everyone keep referring to Bluesky as decentralized or even comparable to the fediverse

  Bluesky is the newest iteration of privately owned and controlled social media

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because silicon valley thinks it can define reality however it wants and keep telling us not to believe our lying eyes.

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Does it? None of my normie progressive friends are on the fediverse.

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So why does everyone keep referring to Bluesky as decentralized or even comparable to the fediverse

    They call it marketing, I call it propaganda.

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    • Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      "It's the same picture."

      Always has been. The only difference is what they're selling.

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  • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because, despite being wildly impractical, it’s technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized. Only recent a new PDS launched called Black sky. So it is no longer just one host. But it’s been one host for so long it almost doesn’t matter because so few people will switch.

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Because, despite being wildly impractical, it’s technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized.

      Yes exactly, it reminds me of the logic of cryptocurrency boosters. I just found out that the bluesky CEO (not to mention jack dorsey) are both crypto advocates so it makes a lot more sense now.

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    • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Doesn’t BS have things in it’s software that are hard coded to the main server, so it’s not possible to make a completely independent host at the moment?

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  • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t understand it at all. Where are all the supposed blueskys? It’s so easy to fact check.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because people who are Bluesky fanatics tend to be tech illiterate and are easily swayed by vibes and marketing.

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  • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because it is decentalised, and beats the fediverse in many aspects.

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    • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s not:

      In July 2024, running a Relay on ATProto already required 1 terabyte of storage. But more alarmingly, just a four months later in November 2024, running a relay now requires approximately 5 terabytes of storage. That is a nearly 5x increase in just four months, and my guess is that by next month, we’ll see that doubled to at least ten terabytes due to the massive switchover to Bluesky which has happened post-election. As Bluesky grows in popularity, so does the rate of growth of the expected resources to host a meaningfully participating node.

      dustycloud.org/…/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

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• froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  i’m so tired of these posts. okay, fediverse, you won! you are more decentralized than bluesky. maybe it’s time to create real useful and interesting content instead of reveling in your elitism?

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  • dil@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    It would be fair to say something like that if you yourself made content but your last post was 3 months ago lol

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    But…I came here just for the gloating fediverse content.

    What else could there be?

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• Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  There are a lot of cool features from at protocol that activity pub should steal. The way users can pick their algorithm is game changing

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨28⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t that work more with a client or a server software than the protocol itself? The protocol shares the posts. It’s the client and the server which chooses what the user sees.

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    • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨20⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Idk the wizardry required to make it work its just something i think would be cool

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• 73QjabParc34Vebq@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  25% is too high, but at least it's not as embarrassing as 99%

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    True

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• evujumenuk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If your idea of a federated Twitter is a bunch of mini-Twitters that sometimes exchange indirect replies or something, then the Fediverse fulfills that purpose completely. Mission accomplished, we can all go home now.

  If your idea is that the replies to every post look the same to any user, anywhere, at any time, even the thing Mastodon merged half a year ago that supposedly fetches all replies if you remember to navigate to the topmost post, and wait up to 15 minutes for your view of the thread to coalesce, falls short.

  And this is why hosting Mastodon is cheap, it fundamentally cannot provide the functionality BlueSky offers. Of course, you might think that such functionality is not desirable anyway, and that’s entirely fair. But if you’re looking for the immediacy that centralized Twitter gave users, I don’t see a way for Fedi to ever provide that, whereas there is a path to BlueSky decentralization. It’s a fact that your UX is diminished if all of your followers and followeds are not on the same instance.

  But in the end, I think there is space for both.

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• Kirk@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Wait, there are 1600 BlueSky instances to join? Are they counting people using a custom domain name as an entire instance?

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I suppose PDS instances are included: github.com/bluesky-social/pds

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      OK so it sounds like there is still just the single BlueSky that is “federated” with a handful of single-user BlueSkies?

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• CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  WHEN YOU SEE IT

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  • NickwithaC@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Not sure which IT I’m supposed to see…

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• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Anyone have the numbers for Lemmy specifically?

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lemmy has about 40,000 monthly active users. Lemmy.world accounts for about 15,500 of that. That’s about 40%.

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thanks. Yeah .world is definitely a bit too big, but it’s still miles better than bluesky.

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• oce@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Which server is representing 25% of the index on the Fediverse?

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  • Bitswap@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lemmy.world

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This site currently measures the concentration of user data for active users: in the Fediverse, this data is on servers (also known as instances); in the Atmosphere, it is on the PDSes that host users’ data repos. All PDSes run by the company Bluesky Social PBC are aggregated in this dataset, since they are under the control of a single entity. Similarly, mastodon.social and mastodon.online are combined as they are run by the same company.

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  • thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I guess mastodon.social

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