Reddit is using AI to determine users beliefs, values, stances and more based on their activity (posts and comments) summarizing it to Subreddit Mods.

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• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is a great example of how profiles on all of us are going to be made by governments and corporations unless we take privacy seriously.

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  • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    *Have been made long ago and are being constantly updated.

    Snowden already warned us about this over a DECADE ago. Their scopes and powers will have increased exponentially. I guarantee there’s a type of system in place that flags people before they do anything, just on pattern recognition alone. Of course, they can’t use that system as a legal basis for anything, so they don’t and use parallel constructions instead.

    Anyone who thinks “this is coming” hasn’t been paying attention. We’re already there and beyond.

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    • DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I find the funniest shit ever is how Snowden uncovered the biggest shit show and nothing happened. Probably the starting event for me losing all hope in this pathetic species I now call Homo Merda.

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    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I already assumed that all project 2025 purges to date have been done with input from statistical modeling, in a way that removes far more “liberals” who might refuse orders, and retains as many MAGA/fascist bootlickers as possible.

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It was well over a decade ago that a store figured out a teen was pregnant. The father was livid they were advertising pregnancy stuff to her. He ate his words.

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  • M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Corporations have been already making profiles of various types for a while now in the form of ad-tech, social media, data brokers, people search websites, credit scores, etc.

    Our society has been setup for mass surveillance in a thousand different ways as a form of social control and dominance by those who wield power.

    It’s time people realize that privacy is a right instead of normalizing abuses of consent.

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    • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yep.

      And if anyone doubts this, 15 years ago I had made a tool that created these types of profiles as a proof of concept.

      I had scraped tons of subreddits, then you could pass in a user and based on both their subreddits and key words would categorize users across a few axes. That was just using naïve bayes, but worked pretty well.

      The AI is just much much better at natural language processing to pull out more detailed info about patterns.

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  • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And those who read your comment, already knew. Those that SHOULD read it, never will. The same problem as with warning-labels et al.

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  • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If youre even near someone with a photo on fb and they got you in it, you already have a record and a ghost fb profile waiting for you.

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  • MisterOwl@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Too late.

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• NoodlePoint@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Also known as profiling.

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• ronigami@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So Reddit is the scumbag steve.

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• HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Which means the powers-that-be have been using it for years already. Remember when people called us paranoid for believing in Echelon in the '80s?

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

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• einlander@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Thought/ Pre Crime.

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  • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Crime by statistical association

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• asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Spez will fuck with Reddit’s userbase, yet 90% of redditors will still keep sucking his dick over and over again.

  “LeMmY iS tOo HaRd!!”

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  • ksigley@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If my dumb ass figured it out, anyone should be able to switch.

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  • innermachine@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think a lot of people on reddit forget that it’s a forum. They see reddit as this special thing, when in fact it’s not. My best description to people about Lemmy is it’s a bunch of reddits that all can see eachother and none are owned by some corporation looking to harvest your info. It’s like reddit, but better. As for which instance? Roll a dice and pick one, it doesn’t matter all that much. I’m on lemmy.world and I don’t even know half the time I just surf around. Other than that anything that makes reddit better then Lemmy is purely due to the fact it has a larger and longer established user base.

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    • Doorknob@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I just try to describe it like email. “You’ve got your gmails and your outlooks and your yahoos and whatnot, you pick one you like, but they’re all email and it won’t stop you seeing emails from outlook guys if you’re a gmail guy.”

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    • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think that on the first wave of users when we had 200k active users Lemmy was in a very different state in terms of usabilities. So much has improved and if we get another event like that I’m sure we will retain way more users.

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    • sqgl@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The instance matters: some will ban you if you cite too many credible articles which bring up uncomfortable truths.

      No matter what one’s stance is on a political subject, there will be some uncomfortable truths. Unlike a Hollywood hero movie.

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• ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That's probably a massive GDPR violation. Automated processing of extra sensitive data like political beliefs and religion is not outright forbidden but it subject to extra protections.

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  • Mubelotix@jlai.lu ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sadly you consented to all of it

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    • ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      GDPR article 9 (1) says you can't play algorithmic guess with people's religion or political opinions unless you gave express permission to the service provider to do it (i.e. it's not covered in the general GDPR boilerplate)

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    • magikmw@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      GDPR prevents using underhanded tactics to assume consent for this type of use.

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Have there been any enforcement actions against big companies yet?

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    • ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Meta got a fine of over a billion euros.
      Google got a bunch of smaller fines, but it's probably way above everyone else in terms of fines.
      Microsoft got half a billion.
      Even Apple got an 8 million euro fine, but that was more a tap in the wrist to make them think twice about some data collection.

      And besides this, large companies are constantly in contact with the authorities and in smaller violations the general policy is to give a warning and let companies stop the illegal data processing voluntarily.

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  • basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Nah, I think all of it is literally just public data offered up by users themselves. If you didn’t want those opinions shared, you shouldn’t have posted them on Reddit.

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    • ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      GDPR also applies to data you get from public sources.

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    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They will get your data from everywhere not just reddit. There needs to be many more laws and punishments for doing this.

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  • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I doubt it, since all it ostensibly does is summarize info the user has released freely. How that info is stored and retained exactly might be up for debate though.

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  • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah this seems illegal as fuck

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• bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  We (smart people) knew this was the end result of ai and why the far right and ccorporations love it. But holy fucking shit this is dangerous and people should be terrified of this. Stop using these platforms (I know it doesn’t matter the platform, we’re all fucked, but still)

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think it goes beyond that, stop living an online life is a better advice. Use the internet to get info, not to submit info.

    Submit comment

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  • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My concern is that Reddit can sell their profiling algorithm to other companies, who then can federate with Lemmy, mastodon, etc. to build profiles against users.

    It’s getting to the point where I may need to go back to cycling usernames every few years.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s getting to the point where I may need to go back to cycling usernames every few years.

      You should definitely do that anyways, you never know when some crazy is going to try and dox you. Changing usernames won’t really protect you from advertisers though, software will link the two identities together.

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    • ubergeek@lemmy.today ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      On Reddit, I was doing that, but every few months. At most, a year, before the username got canned.

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• peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  No wonder I got banned.

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• chunes@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s a useless summary that describes 99% of reddit and lemmy users

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• MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • Pro@programming.dev ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What does “Fuck” mean in this use case?

    I know that people generally use it to express dissatisfaction or disrespect, As intensifier generally.

    But Why the Fuck do we have to bring sex into degradation?

    What does this serve exactly?

    Am I the only one here thinking about this

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Am I the only one here thinking about this

      Probably.

      Most insults are scatterological or sexual in nature. But you must understand that the word isn’t the thing itself. I don’t think anyone has sexual aspirations of Spez

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    • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Spock, is that you?

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    • crapton_america@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Fuck you

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    • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Fuck off.

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    • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Am I the only one here thinking about this> yup

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    • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Fuck that.

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    • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah; I just chalk it up to the fact that humans for thousands of years have been obsessed with sex and poop on a level more basic than language - it’s not as surprising then to think our language is riddled with allusions to it.

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    • embMaster@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      fuck Fuck

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    • unphazed@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I always read into as a Vlad the Impaler situation. Sex is not involved whatsoever.

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• fluxixx@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  this is absolutely fucking terrifying

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• FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Good thing we’re not on reddit

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  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How exactly is it a good thing in this particular case? All this information is only more accessible on Lemmy.

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    • ronigami@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s easier to use a pseudonym on Lemmy.

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    • FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Lemmy instances are summarizing their users. You can do it on ChatGPT, but Lemmy isn’t doing it.

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• TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Less and less is the user’s identity belonging to the user.

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• furzegulo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Every now and then I’ve been tempted to make a Reddit account to post in some subreddits but shit like this reminds me not to fucking do it.

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  • FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You wanna know how you can avoid that temptation? Get yourself a nice little permaban. Worked for me.

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• cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Just dont use Reddit already

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  • Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is Lemmy somehow invulnerable to this? Can’t it just be scraped the same way.

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    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.net ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      100% it can, and worse yet, it can be scraped and analyzed like this by Meta, or Reddit, or your nearest fascist dictator.

      But that’s also pretty much the entire internet in any forum or social media platform, so although I don’t like it, I figure that’s more or less just part of using the internet.

      To me it’s much like the whole “There’s no expectation of privacy in public.”

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    • hisao@ani.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It can, but it’s not built-in into the system and shown to every moderator in their UI.

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    • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Nope, but at least I’m not supporting a company that actively does this.

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    • scintilla@crust.piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They can even scrape likes/dislikes and make profiles for people that don't comment.

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    • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Lemmy isn’t monolithic. They’d have to hit every instance separately. The big ones like lemmy.world are a prime target though.

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• friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  yepowertrippinbastards++

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  • sk1nnym1ke@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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• JollyG@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The screenshot shows an llm summary of a users posting history. Is that what you mean by “determine belief values stance and more” ? Is there more to this? How is that summary different from scrolling through someone’s posting history to see what they post about?

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  • breakingcups@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s made by a machine and can be biased by its prompt, training, and owners political beliefs (see Elon’s Grok).

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    • JollyG@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The post title makes it sound like Reddit is doing some sort of automated classification of user politics with some sort of ml technique. But the screenshot does not show that. It shows an llm summary of a users posting history . If the tool was run on a user that posted exclusively to a cat subreddit, the summary would have been about how the user likes cats. Despite the utility or accuracy of llm summaries, what the screenshot shows is far more anodyne than what this post’s title implies is happening.

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How is that summary different from scrolling through someone’s posting history to see what they post about?

    How is reading the Clif notes/summary different from reading the book? Time and effort taken, as well as a much shallower understanding of the material (assuming your summary is even relatively accurate).

    It’s an easy way to get an instant opinion of someone so you can make a determination on whether you like it without having to tax your poor brain into actually thinking, and you can let something decide your opinion before you even know what you want to know. A summary provided by a product that is notoriously frequently wrong or lies and makes shit up out of whole cloth.

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• chromodynamic@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Since anyone can create their own subreddit and become a mod there, does this mean that anyone can look at these profiles?

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• Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Let this be a reminder to anyone with an account with over a thousand comments: time for a new one.

  Facebook can figure out all of this about you just from what you like and what links you click. Now imagine what a fucking goldmine a few years of your post history is to a deep learning algorithm – let alone someone who’s been using the same Reddit account for two decades. I bet they know those people better than they know themselves.

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• vivalapivo@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Govt makes it, why wouldn’t Reddit do it?

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• ansiz@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m sure it’s as accurate and expensive as most A.I. slop.

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• danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What’s that utility that helps you delete your profile the right way?

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  • Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Powerdeletesuite?

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• Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How do I get an AI summary of my old account?

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